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Re: Requesting wisdom regarding electric force laws

Unread postby Shelgeyr » Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:02 pm

Quick update: I located the math to describe the "contact points" of what I strongly believe (but must admit that I am assuming) is the intersection of a sphere and a cone (the Earth and a plasma force column of some type).

Check out: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Cone-SphereIntersection.html
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I still haven't found the electric or magnetic set of force laws (one or many taken together) that would create a very forceful (as in earth-moving) spiral formation along the ground plane, with its "clockwiseness" controlled by the direction of the current in the cone-shaped plasma column. Granted, that doesn't mean the laws aren't out there, it means "I ain't one of them electrical engineers", and that I stand at least a fair chance of misunderstanding the textbooks I'm reading.

Doesn't everything from the "right hand rule" on pretty much dictate that any resulting spiral would be perpendicular to the ground plain? Slashing right through the pinch area? Being the "mirror plane" of which the two cones would seem to be each other's reflection? But that's not what I'm finding.

I've seen many "pinch" formations, and most cases are like "active galaxies", where the "radio plume" is at a right angle to the galaxy's plane of rotation, I would expect that (equating my conic "plasma force columns" to the radio plums) that the resulting spiral force (i.e. the active galaxy itself) would be in the plane which bisects the pinch area, not in the plane running along with and bisecting the force columns... but the geophysical evidence seems to indicate otherwise and I simply don't understand why.

The request for wisdom is reiterated, thanks!
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Re: Requesting wisdom regarding electric force laws

Unread postby Shelgeyr » Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:09 pm

One more thing... Most (but not all) naturally occuring pinches - be they in planetary nebula or inscribed across the landscape - seem to have approximately the same angles involved.

Now, I haven't put a protractor up against my monitor, so I don't know what that angle is, but just eyeballing it I'd guess that it is NOT 45 degrees. It is narrower than that, and obviously I'm talking "inside angles" here. Looks more like 30 or so. Does anyone know if there even is such a thing as a "standard angle" for "naturally occuring plasma pinches", and if so, what it is, and what governs or determines it?

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Re: Requesting wisdom regarding electric force laws

Unread postby Shelgeyr » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:38 pm

This is not the best "Cathode/Anode with Spiral" example there is, but it is one I have handy...

Golden_Spiral_Series_Russia_01b.jpg

Again, what I'm trying to understand is this:

Picture a double-opposing-cone-shaped plasma column, with a mighty current flowing in a specific direction (we'll worry about completing the circuit some other time), which intersecting the planet would likely leave oval or teardrop-shaped EDM marks, depending on several things - mostly "angle of attack" from what I can tell.

According to what I understand of the "Right Hand Rule"... (with credit to whomever posted this first here at thunderbolts.info - thanks!)

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...any resulting spiral magnetic field would be perpendicular to the direction of the current, so that "live" it would probably resemble something vaguely like a tiny active galaxy chewing into the planet surface. Shades of that big ol' gash on Mars, for instance. At least that's my vote for how it got there - from a pole-to-pole discharge... I digress...

On "Cartoon World" it might look like this:

understood_01.jpg


However, that's not what I'm finding... or to be more accurate I'd say that far and away that's mostly not what I'm finding. Instead, the spirals - whether clockwise or counterclockwise - occur in the ground plane, centered at the pinch point, seemingly indicating a vertical current (up or down).

observed_01.jpg


So what caused the teardrop-shaped marks? They have to be related because the center of the spirals (so far) always seem to be the "roughly exact" (if you'll forgive the term) mid-point between the centers of each lobe. Is this a quad-pole discharge with the forces at right-angles to each other?

I'm really begging for help here - I have something of a pact with myself on this... I've got several clear mind-blowing examples, but I don't want to really "go public" with them unless I can actually explain them in concrete terms, backed up by accepted electrical or electromagnetic force laws. I would be most appreciative to anyone who can help me understand these relationships. It might be like talking to a wall, but if you know the answer, I'll eventually wise up. You can even speak slowly and use small words if you like, I won't mind.
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Re: Requesting wisdom regarding electric force laws

Unread postby seasmith » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:48 pm

Hi shelgyer,

May be missing the mark here, but if it is a "mighty current" that is interacting with the sphere, although approaching from a distance at an oblique angle, why must it strike at that angle?
Lightning does not.

Considering, as you did, both current tip and sphere to be electrodes, we know from middle school electrostatic experiments {or home microwave oven disasters} that a current will seek to enter or exit at a prominence,
at a critical distance, relative to 'charge' magnitude.

Now viewing both current 'head' and sphere as 3D radial charge fronts, they would connect at nearest common tangent points.
So, regardless of the initial relative travel direction of the approaching (linear) plasmoid,
connection would be in the shortest path- straight up and down.
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Re: Requesting wisdom regarding electric force laws

Unread postby Shelgeyr » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:06 pm

seasmith wrote: May be missing the mark here, but if it is a "mighty current" that is interacting with the sphere, although approaching from a distance at an oblique angle, why must it strike at that angle?
Lightning does not.


Good points. The short and unsatisfactory answer is "I don't know".

The reason I have the "force cones" (sounds like something from a bad sci-fi novel, right?) drawn the way I do is because the "teardrop" and spiral markings are already visibly there in the geography, and plasmas reducing to or expanding from a pinch form conical shapes, judging from things like planetary nebulas and active galaxies. But mostly I've drawn it this way because cones intersect spheres with teardrop-shaped boundaries (depending on the angle of attack of course). Granted, so do columns, but if the "teardrops" are different sizes, you've got cones, which pinches form regardless.

I think we're dealing with something larger than lightning, and probably "slower" as well. If you could see it live from above, I'm betting it would resemble sunspots more than anything else.
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Re: Lichtenberg figures: yin yang, tree and more

Unread postby StefanR » Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:57 pm

These are very small :)
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Re: Lichtenberg figures: yin yang, tree and more

Unread postby GaryN » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:53 pm

These are very small

Quite a bit bigger:

http://hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu/PDS/E ... browse.jpg
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Re: Lichtenberg figures: yin yang, tree and more

Unread postby junglelord » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:18 pm

We live in a fractal universe. Nice Lichtenberg figures. I like it. Just beautiful and inspiring to the mind.
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Re: Lichtenberg figures: yin yang, tree and more

Unread postby Groovy_Guy » Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:09 pm

Thought I would post a screencap from a video I saw of new HIRISE images from Mars. Squatting Man-like figures all over.

Here's the video (1:57)
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Re: Lichtenberg figures: yin yang, tree and more

Unread postby tolenio » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:00 pm

Question...

When we see lightning during a storm are we simply seeing the secondary discharges and not seeing the primary discharge?
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Good looking Earth Spiders

Unread postby MyndsEye » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:58 pm

Because I like the common sense plasma cosmology evidence I have spent a lot of time browsing google earth and I just saved some of the best spiders I have found here on earth..

I don't remember the image restrictions in attachments so I'm just going to link my facebook albums. enjoy!

United States: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2 ... 63a0bc32ea

Australia: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2 ... 29c4fce654

Various Countries: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2 ... 2cad299851
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Re: Good looking Earth Spiders

Unread postby jjohnson » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:18 am

This is a really good, amazing collection. I noticed that a lot of the radial lines are rather straight, rather than dendritic, although they exhibit a few branches. It's also interesting that the focal ara seems to be depressed in elevation, as a good percentage appear to have water collected in them, whether in man-made ponds or just in the natural terrain I usually can't tell at that scale. One has to wonder, is this still going on today, and if so, what observations might exist that support it? Are these formed by 'ordinary' lightning strikes or precisely what other natural phenomenon?

Nice work. Keep it coming!

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Re: Good looking Earth Spiders

Unread postby davesmith_au » Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:47 am

Perhaps before we get too carried away, and not wanting to throw cold water on anyone's work, having perused most of the images concerned, I do not see any which could not be explained as man-made dams and water troughs (complete with windmill pumps in some cases) for cattle. The radial lines are likely the tracks all cattle leave when walking to/from their waterholes. As I said, I don't want to throw cold water on ideas, but likewise I don't want to see things posited to be signs of electrical scarring when there are pretty clearly much more mundane explanations for them.

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Re: Requesting wisdom regarding electric force laws

Unread postby Shelgeyr » Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:47 pm

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