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Re: Ames Structure Oklahoma?

Unread postby ElecGeekMom » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:44 am

I used to do deskside computer support. One of the offices I supported was located in a food warehouse where they had several large, industrial-strength freezers.

The computer monitors in this building usually didn't last very long. The users noticed that their monitors tended to die when the compressors in the huge freezers kicked on.

It took us a long time to finally get the electrical staff to look into the circuits in the building. They finally figured out that the monitors were on the same circuit as the freezers, and they were dying whenever there was a drop-and-surge in the flow of electricity.

That reminds me of the anomaly maps above. :geek:
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Re: Ames Structure Oklahoma?

Unread postby tolenio » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:41 am

Hello,

Solar plasma is leaking into the magnetosphere all the time. The only difference making a solar storm easier to predict the resulting earthquakes is our current Wolf-Gleissberg solar minima compounded with the 11 year solar minima. They stick out like sore thumbs.

Look at the Kp index for the period of February 1st and 2nd, 2010;

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http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/plots/kp/20100203_kp.gif]

As you can see the Kp Index was at 3 for eight consecutive hours in that time frame. Think of that as a single plasma bubble that began marching eastwards.

Then the Kp index dropped and surged again with the Kp index hitting 4 late on February 2nd and into the 3rd it was elevated. Think of that as a second plasma bubble.

MAG UTC DATE-TIMEy/m/d h:m:s LAT
2.8 2010/02/15 03:32:25 35.570 -97.275 5.0 2 km ( 1 mi) ENE of Jones, OK
3.2 2010/02/13 05:30:55 35.566 -97.215 5.0 7 km ( 4 mi) E of Jones, OK

Each pulse in the kp index represents increased solar plasma leaking into the magnetosphere. Each pulse forms plasma bubbles (plasmoids) of various sizes and intensities trapped within the magnetosphere, based on solar wind speed, particle density, and duration of event.

My tracking is only approximate and it takes ~12 days for the plasma to move to the US west coast and ~13 days to Oklahoma. Since we are talking moving plasma with an imbedded solar magnetic field, moving inside the magnetosphere we are lucky to get it down to ~12 days, or ~13 days.

Each of these Kp pulses work on creating geologic pressure as they ground out (magnetic force, right hand rule). Every pulse does not cause an earthquake, but the larger pulses create larger forces, and a larger force can shake built up geologic pressure loose.

Think of the Kp index as the Earth's heartbeat.

The combined solar minima make these events easy to spot and predict.

The solar storm of yesterday will arrive in ~12 days on the US west coast;

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Track the lightning, track the plasma.

http://wwlln.net/WWLLN_movies/Movie_of_Lightning_in_Pacific_BIG.gif

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Re: Ames Structure Oklahoma?

Unread postby tolenio » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:03 pm

Hello,

Is there a similarity in data of solar active regions in this manetogram and the gravity anomalies on earth?

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Is this simply an issue of scale? A plasma discharge? Are these simply fixed plasma discharge points on the surface of earth?

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ocean gyres/currents

Unread postby MattEU » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:39 pm

i have always wondered about the ocean gyres/currents - is there some larger EU current going up/down and with Flemings Hand Rules making them spin?

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didnt know there were 4 gravity anomalies as shown in the map in tolenio's post, it could be a magic number. do they act in pairs, make "things" spin the opposite direction to either the one horizontally or vertically to them? some of the ocean gyres seem to rotate a bit strangely.
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Re: Ames Structure Oklahoma?

Unread postby seasmith » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:00 pm

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Perhaps an issue of "scale" and similar internal structure ??

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Alfven's solar circuit- in The Electric Sky and The Electric Universe monograph
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http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=52&hilit=magnets&start=15

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Re: Ames Structure Oklahoma?

Unread postby tolenio » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:07 pm

Hello,

It would depend on the type of discharge, which would define the direction of magnetic force of the right hand rule. Magnetic force does affect water. (diamagnetism)

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Re: Ames Structure Oklahoma?

Unread postby seasmith » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:43 pm

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Tolenio,

Was referring to the "internal structure" of the Earth's/Sun's EM/ES flux field of course. The above image just shows the surface effects. Seen as a quadrupole, in three volumetric dimensions, the sperical surface effect might be this:
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which resembles the first graphic.

Zoom in on this graphic:
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and one can see the internal [spherical] dynamics which may produce the suface effects above.

An Isometric plot of those electrical dynamics might reveal an internal hexadecapole arrangement, which would highlight the four anomalous zones, the equatorial flow, and polar flows.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=52&hilit=magnets

Wouldn't be to quick to dismiss the solar circuit work of Hans Alfven, even as old as it is.

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Re: Ames Structure Oklahoma?

Unread postby tolenio » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:47 pm

Hi,

Plasma bubbles move eastwards Australian longitude ~2 days, only track northwards and you get;

MAG UTC DATE-TIME y/m/d h:m:s LATdeg LONdeg DEPTH km Region
6.7 2010/02/18 01:13:17 42.561 130.836 562.5 CHINA-RUSSIA-NORTH KOREA BORDER REGION

Same approx longitude as Australia;

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US east coast ~12 days after above solar storm.

I am curious if the magnitude of the solar plasma defines the latitude the plasma bubble (plasmoid) is formed within the magnetosphere? This would establish the entry point and the begining drift pattern eastwards.The larger the magnitude, the higher the latitude of placement of the starting point.

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Re: Ames Structure Oklahoma?

Unread postby tolenio » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:18 am

Hello,

I just realized that the earth also has differential rotation, just like the sun.

As you know the sun has differential rotation of plasma by latitude, the earth has a similar differational rotation for solar plasma that leaks into the magnetosphere forming plasmoids, and these earth trapped plasmoids move eastwards at a rate that is slower than the sun's by latitude.

"Leaks" is a poor term, that plasma is forced into the magnetosphere by competing magnetic field strengths.

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For the sake of argument let us assume that solar plasma leaks into the magnetosphere based on its magnetic field in oppostion to magnetosphere magnetic field strength by latitude. Since the magnetic field strength is stronger the higher the latitude the, the higher the latitude the stronger the plasmoid needs to be to force itself inside the magnetosphere.

This is the exact same thing we see in the sun's butterfly pattern of sunspots. A new soalr cycle means the sun is running through more dense instellar plasma and the stronger plasma can leak into the sun's heliosphere at higher latitudes. As the interstellar plasma diminishes and weakens it enters the sun's heliospehere at lower latitudes.

Since plasma is steered by magnetic field strength interstellar plasma density would have a regular pattern giving the sun regular cycles and patterns. (11-Schwabe, 22-Hale, 70-100-Gleissberg, 210-Suess, 2,300-Hollstatt, 6,000-Xapsos, etc). When interstellar plasma density variation compounds in minima or maxima you have long term complex solar variation, and long term earth climate and geologic variation.

On the sun you get sunspots, on the earth you get climate and earthquakes, events triggered by solar plasma discharge (and if not discharge knock on effects of the presence of plasama). On the sun you have interstellar plasmoids affecting the surface of the sun, and conversely solar plasmoids affecting the surface of earth.

sunspot-earthquake, CME-volcano

I believe if you almost double the differential rotational rates of the sun by latitude you will get the earth based plasmoid differential rotation.

This is why earthquakes seem so hodge-podge in timing in response to geomagnetic storms.

Take the solar storm of February 15th in which a plasmoid entered the magnetosphere at ~42 degrees north latitude and ~90 degrees longitude. It than began its eastward trek at the correct speed for that latitude, encountering the first tectonic fault two days later and discharged causing this earthquake;

CHINA-RUSSIA-NORTH KOREA BORDER
Magnitude 6.7 Mw
Location 42.561N 130.835E

This same plasmoid will take ~12 days to run into northern California San Andreas fault, and then ~26 days to reach the mid Atlantic ridge fault. It will follow the manetic field gradients of that latitude.

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When the interstellar plasma discharges on the sun you get sunspots, when solar plasma discharges on earth it is because it has better grounding over a tectonic fault and we get earthquakes. This means that sunspots are a result of trapped interstellar plasma finding a better solar grounding point.

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This accounts for all the scaling and timing issues.

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Re: Ames Structure Oklahoma?

Unread postby tolenio » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:39 am

This differential plasmoid rotation should account for semi-permanent Arctic (polar) barometric high and low pressure zones.

Semipermanent Highs and Lows
The Arctic is characterized by "semipermanent" patterns of high and low pressure. These patterns are semipermanent because they appear in charts of long-term average surface pressure. They can be considered to largely represent the statistical signature of where transitory high and low systems that appear on synoptic charts tend to be most common.

Aleutian Low
This semipermanent low pressure center is located near the Aleutian Islands. Most intense in winter, the Aleutian Low is characterized by many strong cyclones. Traveling cyclones formed in the subpolar latitudes in the North Pacific usually slow down and reach maximum intensity in the area of the Aleutian Low.

Icelandic Low
This low pressure center is located near Iceland, usually between Iceland and southern Greenland. Most intense during winter, in summer, it weakens and splits into two centers, one near Davis Strait and the other west of Iceland. Like its counterpart the Aleutian Low, it reflects the high frequency of cyclones and the tendency for these systems to be strong. In general, migratory lows slow down and intensify in the vicinity of the Icelandic Low.

Siberian High
The Siberian High is an intense, cold anticyclone that forms over eastern Siberia in winter. Prevailing from late November to early March, it is associated with frequent cold air outbreaks over east Asia.

Beaufort High
The Beaufort High is a high pressure center or ridge over the Beaufort Sea present mainly in winter.

North American High
The North American High is a relatively weak area of high pressure that covers most of North America during winter. This pressure system tends to be centered over the Yukon, but is not as well-defined as its continental counterpart, the Siberian High.


Plasmoids travel fastest at the equator and slowest at the poles.

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Age of Grand Canyon

Unread postby electrodogg1 » Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:20 pm

Here is an interesting factoid. On the National Park Service's Grand Canyon National Park website is the following:
Did You Know?
No one has ever found a fossilized reptile skeleton or bone within the Grand Canyon. Fossil footprints were left by more than 20 species of reptiles and amphibians, but no teeth or bones!


They don't say which 20 species left the fossilized footprints.

Is this evidence that the formation of the Grand Canyon is relatively recent?
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Re: Age of Grand Canyon

Unread postby jjohnson » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:10 pm

It is only evidence that no such bones or fossils have been found. There may be unfound fossils, for example. One idea held by some EU adherents is that catastrophic plasma-physical processes have occurred in the relatively recent past. These were ostensibly powerful enough to excavate Earth to the depth of the Grand Canyon. I am not familiar enough with it all to know if the tailings went to space or were disposed of over a wide area around the canyon. Such a process plausibly could have deleted evidence of all kinds, including the expected fossil evidence of life forms' having existed in the area.

What if no evidence of 'expected' fossils had been found in Antarctica, or along the dinosaur trackways in Texas, or under the Greenland ice cap, or on the Moon? That by itself is insufficient evidence to determine the age of anything. It's curious given some footprints, but insufficient. One would have to know more about the layers in which the footprints were unearthed, and whether it was obviously beyond question that it was temporally no different from the surrounding matrix, and then be able to identify the age of that layer with whatever reliability is possible today. About the latter, I read a variety of ideas in this forum regarding the unreliability of current scientific aging methods so that, perhaps we have no idea how old things are, precisely, unless they have "Made in China" stamped on them.

See Nick C.'s remarks in "Carbon 14 Dating" in this Planetary Science Section.
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Re: Age of Grand Canyon

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:19 pm

Hi electrodogg1,
This article covers some of this. It is a rebuttal of a YE Creationist. It's dealing with the Colorado Plateau rather than the Grand Canyon.

Tetrapod Fossil Footprints, Polonium Halos, and the Colorado Plateau
http://ncse.com/cej/9/2/tetrapod-fossil ... do-plateau
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Re: Age of Grand Canyon

Unread postby nick c » Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:24 pm

Did You Know?
No one has ever found a fossilized reptile skeleton or bone within the Grand Canyon. Fossil footprints were left by more than 20 species of reptiles and amphibians, but no teeth or bones!
What do they mean by "reptiles"? I guess we are assuming dinosaurs. The proposition that dinosaurs were warm blooded and therefore not reptiles is given serious consideration by many mainstream paleontologists.
I would also ask, what types of fossilized animals are found in the Grand Canyon? if any?

electrodogg1 wrote:They don't say which 20 species left the fossilized footprints.

Is this evidence that the formation of the Grand Canyon is relatively recent?

I agree with Jim's post, I do not see this as evidence of youth, since many of us here are considering fossil formation as a rapid event resulting from an animals unfortunate encounter with the business end of the Electric Universe :o The implication of your question is that fossil formation is a traditional slow uniformitarian process and the fact that there are no fossils in the Grand Canyon means that there has not been enough time for them to form since the creation of the canyon. We really cannot (in the interest of consistency) use uniformitarian assumptions or techniques, that we generally consider invalid, in a special case because it possibly supports our position. Clearly fossil formation is a process that needs more study, but the lack of reptile (?) fossils in the Grand Canyon tells us little about its' age.

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Re: Age of Grand Canyon

Unread postby starbiter » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:07 pm

This web site has a reference to dinosaur petroglyphs in the Grand Canyon, found in 1879.

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/native-american-dino-art.htm

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