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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby Sparky » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:30 am

ancientd wrote:One more for sparky I didn't answer. I appreciate that craters are generally fairly round when formed in the laboratory but i have seen CJ Ransom's lab experiments in metal etching and they are often quite eratic in many places. Also when using ( I think i have got it right) anode to cathode the results are pristinish whilst discharging the other way around produces eratic and drifting crater results. I think steve smith on the thunderbolts project facebook site has some useful posts on these different types of laboratory electrical machining.


INTERESTING...i agree now, after reviewing the other pics., that man made is not too likely...

I have made inquiries and am waiting for responses as to possible causes of these formations...i think they are very unique.

As for wilpena pound, i think that is such a different formation and good natural earth explanation for it, folding of sediments, that combining the two is a distraction and detrimental for promoting EU theory. Would you agree that working on one thing at a time, unless there is overwhelming support by another, is the best approach.?

i will check in every other day or so to see how this thread develops...interesting!

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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby ancientd » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:39 am

seasmith ............MattEU has some pictures of the lines formed of similarrock hard limestone material. These also have secondary lines that run at right angles and so are a puzzle. On reflection re volcanoes there are a number in and around Sicily including Mount Etna but none that close and certainly NOTon the island. As we know Earthquakes,volcanoes and Tsunamis all have assosciated electrical discharge effects . This suggests that the cause of many formations in geology may well lie down this track .On top of this two local legends acclaim huge electro magnetic phenomena assosciated with one formation on the nearby island of Gozo and another assosciated with a cataclysmic event on Malta itself. Also remeber the large amount of petrification of sea shells on the islands i mentioned . I reiterate this is due to electrofossilization,
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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby Sparky » Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:39 am

ancientd wrote:seasmith ............MattEU has some pictures of the lines formed of similarrock hard limestone material. These also have secondary lines that run at right angles and so are a puzzle. On reflection re volcanoes there are a number in and around Sicily including Mount Etna but none that close and certainly NOTon the island. As we know Earthquakes,volcanoes and Tsunamis all have assosciated electrical discharge effects . This suggests that the cause of many formations in geology may well lie down this track .On top of this two local legends acclaim huge electro magnetic phenomena assosciated with one formation on the nearby island of Gozo and another assosciated with a cataclysmic event on Malta itself. Also remeber the large amount of petrification of sea shells on the islands i mentioned . I reiterate this is due to electrofossilization,



well, i don't have any idea what "electrofossilization" is, but none of my inquiries replied to explain the cause of these formations. So, since your hypothesis is the most detailed here and can be supported with experiments, the EU, plasma discharge as cause is the best choice...Geologists will have to do better than, "erosion"!

how old does one have to be before electrofossilization occurs? :D
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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby Sparky » Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:47 am

MattEU wrote:
Sparky wrote:After a quick study of these formations and info about malta, i would lean toward natural limestone formations created when islands were submerged, then eroded when exposed.

There is also the possibility that the concrete the early people used for construction was used to create some of these to emulate the natural formations.

As for electrical discharge patterns, i don't know what limestone would do, shatter or melt, but that would be my last guess.

I would be interested in hearing from a real geologist who has spent a bit of time looking and testing these structures.




i have asked about these and other formations elsewhere and geology people have answered that it is erosion. when i ask how erosion formed these examples i get the answer erosion. after explaining that i would like an answer as to how erosion created each of these formations and many others on malta i get the answer erosion.

erosion seems to be the geologists answer to everything unexplainable in a gravity universe, perhaps we should start to call it dark erosion?

although i believe this to be EU formations i am not against them being "erosion" or more gravity universe natural, i just need an actual explanation as to how they were formed naturally.

there are things on malta that are perhaps more man made using torba than EU, the lines on pembroke hill for example that i have shown before. but why would these mini craters or whatever shapes you want to call them be man made? i have never seen formations like these mini craters anywhere else so not sure what man was imitating if they formed them.

the created naturally underwater then eroded when exposed idea does not make sense to me at the moment but i am happy to discuss why and how this is possible. the only way an idea, either mine or the opposite, can be shown to be true is if it is challenged. infact all ideas and theories must be challenged.

what formed these shapes underwater? why have they remained when they are limestone the same as the rest of the island? why are they not much taller? all these odd formations are only a few feet at the most above the rest of the island. none seem to ever be over a meter taller than the limestone around it. even the special grey rock lines only have a very thin covering of the grey, inside they are limestone.

Sparky wrote:Thanks....i have seen similar formations somewhere, but can't remember where...would like to find out if these cups have a bottom or are tubes..


thats a good question - all of these mini craters, starting rocks or whatever they are have a bottom, they are indeed bowl shaped. most bottoms are above or level with the floor. i would like to find out what is below one of them but the rocks they are found in are rock hard, like it has been tranformed by an event ... they are found around the island where you would expect to find them if you look at geology from an Electric Universe point of view. in fact the way i find them is by doing exactly that and it has never failed yet. i am starting to post more of my gEUlogy findings over the coming months and you will see that these are not the only examples.

you would also be amazed at how sharp this limestone can be, considering according to geologist it has to be very old. also they all look fairly new and have very little sign of "erosion" if they came up from the sea floor. are they fairly new as malta has legends from the 1300-1500 AD of immense events, especially the malta "tempest" of 23rd November 1343 that created Il-Maqluba and Filfla according to local folklore.


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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby MrAmsterdam » Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:15 am

As for electrical discharge patterns, i don't know what limestone would do, shatter or melt, but that would be my last guess.


FYI,

Electrical Properties of Moist Limestone Samples in the Frequency range of 1Hz - 10.000.000Hz

http://www.insipub.com/ajbas/741-750.pdf


Not representing the answer on the question, but describing a property of limestone.
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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby Sparky » Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:28 pm

MrAmsterdam wrote:
As for electrical discharge patterns, i don't know what limestone would do, shatter or melt, but that would be my last guess.


FYI,

Electrical Properties of Moist Limestone Samples in the Frequency range of 1Hz - 10.000.000Hz

http://www.insipub.com/ajbas/741-750.pdf


Not representing the answer on the question, but describing a property of limestone.


Thank You;;;;

pdf did not work, but i am not so sure that AC interaction is relevant...

These craters, if electrically formed , would most probably be from a high voltage, high current, DC discharge...

The question i my mind is what effect on limestone would such a powerful strike have on the limestone mechanically.

If i could find an image of lightening strike damage to limestone...
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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby mharratsc » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:00 pm

Re: Wilpena Pound

I grew up in the hill country of Texas, on the Edwards Aquifer. The limestone there is like swiss cheese. I've never understood the 'erosion' theory regarding how there could be so many tubes riddled throughout the hill country aquifer range if it was erosion. Erosion would wear grooves, not small tunnels zig-zagging all over. It couldn't have *formed* like that from sedimentary deposition for crying out loud...

So what's that leave? The answer I think is quick shocking! :D
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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby MrAmsterdam » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:22 am

To state it clearly; I'm suggesting telluric currents in combination of electric errosion of limestone. It does not strike weird to me that Malta would have such currents in the middle of an active fault line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fault_(geology)

Besides that life underwater grows rapidly on this energy, see Electric coral reefs topic viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2949#p31750

"Why do corals grow faster on a Biorock structure?

Corals grow at accelerated rates with mineral accretion because the electricity flowing through the structure creates chemical conditions (high pH) at the surface of the growing limestone crystals and at the surface of the coral’s limestone skeleton, greatly speeding up their growth.


So electric currents instead of electric discharges. Or a combination of electric phenomena?

Lets reverse the whole perspective. Growing rock instead of rock errosion.
How would you grow crystals? H I assume like the makers of Biorock do; in a medium of water, salts and minerals and electric currents. It could be that limestone crystals are also an explanation for geometrical shapes we're seeing in the pictures.

http://www.geulogy.com/introdis-johnpeel-surfside.html

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... 090923.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... 090923.jpg
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~iany/patt ... ystals.htm
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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby Sparky » Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:37 am

MrAmsterdam wrote:To state it clearly; I'm suggesting telluric currents in combination of electric errosion of limestone. It does not strike weird to me that Malta would have such currents in the middle of an active fault line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fault_(geology)

Besides that life underwater grows rapidly on this energy, see Electric coral reefs topic http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... 949#p31750

"Why do corals grow faster on a Biorock structure?

Corals grow at accelerated rates with mineral accretion because the electricity flowing through the structure creates chemical conditions (high pH) at the surface of the growing limestone crystals and at the surface of the coral’s limestone skeleton, greatly speeding up their growth.


So electric currents instead of electric discharges. Or a combination of electric phenomena?

Lets reverse the whole perspective. Growing rock instead of rock errosion.
How would you grow crystals? H I assume like the makers of Biorock do; in a medium of water, salts and minerals and electric currents. It could be that limestone crystals are also an explanation for geometrical shapes we're seeing in the pictures.

http://www.geulogy.com/introdis-johnpeel-surfside.html

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... 090923.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... 090923.jpg
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~iany/patt ... ystals.htm



Thank you for another perspective, and one that sounds like it does hold promise...i don't know about "telluric", so will investigate that...yes, application of electric current can promote growth in inorganic and life forms, ie. Frankenstein!.....and pacemakers..

thanks for links...will take me a bit to consume this...
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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby webolife » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:00 pm

I have seen similar structures on kayaking/snorkeling tours of the coral reefs around Oahu. The clue to you should have been that they are of "natural limestone"... These have nothing to do with Wilpena or with melted dunes.
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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby starbiter » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:27 pm

Hello Matt: Do you know if the matrix of the limestone is composed of shells and skeletons. It seems even fossiliferous limestone is sometimes layered with fossils, but the matrix lacks fossils. In the past when i heard limestone i assumed ancient reef, or sea bottom. Since NASA has found carbonates in comet dust the picture has changed. The probability of the limestone in question being shells and skeletons is high. But you never know.

Many times park rangers say a formation is limestone, when it's actually dolomite. Because dolomite supposedly started as limestone, the names are interchangeable.

You make Malta seem really cool. The chamber of commerce should subsidize you.

Thanks for the thread, michael
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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby starbiter » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:05 pm

Hello again: On page 203 of the link below it states that some of the upper layers of limestone on Malta are unfossiliferous. The lower layers are shell and skeleton. I wonder where the fossils went?

http://books.google.com/books?id=9IgPAA ... us&f=false

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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby starbiter » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:29 pm

Sparky asked about burnt limestone earlier. The sample pictured below is from a small mountain West of Las Vegas. The mountain is composed of limestone and dolomite. The sample below fizzed when exposed to acid so it is limestone. Only the surface is brown/black and burnt looking. The entire interior seems grey.

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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby Sparky » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:55 pm

starbiter wrote:Sparky asked about burnt limestone earlier. The sample pictured below is from a small mountain West of Las Vegas. The mountain is composed of limestone and dolomite. The sample below fizzed when exposed to acid so it is limestone. Only the surface is brown/black and burnt looking. The entire interior seems grey.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 1&t=p&z=15




Thanks....was this sample from a very confined area, or is the whole mountain like this?
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Re: mini craters - malta geology

Unread postby Sparky » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:02 pm

webolife wrote:I have seen similar structures on kayaking/snorkeling tours of the coral reefs around Oahu. The clue to you should have been that they are of "natural limestone"... These have nothing to do with Wilpena or with melted dunes.


Interesting...so, are you saying these are a type of coral?

were they grouped together, or dispersed...?

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