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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby Corona » Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:54 am

fantastic thread! I have wondered about this for some time as well, and I believe that a connection between UFOs and plasma phenomenon definitely exists. However, I have also come across different "facts" that make a different (unlikelier) explanation possbile as well: yes, I am talking about the alien spaceship theory. For anyone who feels an immidiate negative response to that possibility I would like to link to the following page which sums up the last decades quite well.

http://keyholepublishing.com/Leading-UFO-Documents.html


It`ll take me some time to go through all of the links you posted PP.
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:48 am

Corona wrote:fantastic thread! I have wondered about this for some time as well, and I believe that a connection between UFOs and plasma phenomenon definitely exists. However, I have also come across different "facts" that make a different (unlikelier) explanation possbile as well: yes, I am talking about the alien spaceship theory. For anyone who feels an immidiate negative response to that possibility I would like to link to the following page which sums up the last decades quite well.

http://keyholepublishing.com/Leading-UFO-Documents.html


It`ll take me some time to go through all of the links you posted PP.


Well, the aliens theory is still a "maybe" - at least for a minority of UFO sightings. I'm open to that possibility. If you take a look through the UK military documents I posted above - it may be of interest to you. And of course, my blogpost on the subject that I posted (http://hozturner.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09 ... on-of.html) - documenting the actual forms observed. Too aetheric and dynamic to be that of alien craft, and too similar to laboratory and space plasma.

I'd say the military in the early days was probably pretty ignorant about the possibility of plasma phenomena in the skies - and it took a while for it to reach that realisation.

Regards,

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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby mamuso » Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:05 pm

That description is in Italian.
This description is in Spanish
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:01 am

Could possibly explain some of the more dynamic and unpredictable qualities of UFO behaviour:-

Life-Like Qualities of Plasma: Bohm, a leading expert in twentieth century plasma physics, observed in amazement that once electrons were in plasma, they stopped behaving like individuals and started behaving as if they were a part of a larger and interconnected whole. Although the individual movements of each electron appeared to be random, vast numbers of electrons were able to produce collective effects that were surprisingly well organized and appeared to behave like a life form. The plasma constantly regenerated itself and enclosed impurities in a wall in the same way that a biological organism, like the unicellular amoeba, might encase a foreign substance in a cyst. So amazed was Bohm by these life-like qualities that he later remarked that he frequently had the impression that the electron sea was "alive" and that plasma possessed some of the traits of living things. The debate on the existence of plasma-based life forms has been going on for more than 20 years ever since some models showed that plasma can mimic the functions of a primitive cell.


Cont. here:-
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/co ... ?id=111062
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:55 am




They look like balloons to me. Which is why it takes great amount of care in selecting and examining UFO sightings and reports.

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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:04 am

This video presents the strongest evidence yet, that UFO phenomena are generally associated with a particular form of meteor (or perhaps space-junk) entry into the atmosphere (remember the findings of the UK MOD study correlating peak meteor sightings and UFO sightings). You can observe a fireball heading downwards with a trail and then splitting into three balls. They then drive to a stop and start gravitating and interacting with each other like plasmoids. Plasmoids do have interesting properties that demonstrate this sort of behaviour if double-layers and complex electric fields are taken into account:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smEs0XUeD7c
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:56 am

Another example of a falling meteor slowing down, splitting apart and then floating in the air as plasmoids. This appeared on the News:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bww37_hrHMg
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby Doctor Zordirz » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:14 pm

GaryN wrote:...
This is still my favorite vid. of what appears to be plasma phenomena.
Mother Ship UFO Birthing Orbs Between Rosario and Satelite Mexico
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAgbp0xBjkM
and it seems the sphere emitting tube has been observed before:
Nuremberg UFO event 1561
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I have been meaning to ask you guys this: Can you think of a way that a plasma discharge would appear to glow from one angle but not another? I find that aspect of the two videos very strange.

PersianPaladin wrote:Another example of a falling meteor slowing down, splitting apart and then floating in the air as plasmoids. This appeared on the News:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bww37_hrHMg


There is an alternate explanation for those, P.P. In the last vid you posted they said "there were air show planes in the air tonight making maneuvers..." These are videos of the US Army Golden Knights parachute team doing night jumps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaqvrv-8jIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17BS0muHByM
Starting at 3:20:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGyX2jid ... ults_video
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:46 pm

Doctor Zordirz wrote:
GaryN wrote:...
This is still my favorite vid. of what appears to be plasma phenomena.
Mother Ship UFO Birthing Orbs Between Rosario and Satelite Mexico
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAgbp0xBjkM
and it seems the sphere emitting tube has been observed before:
Nuremberg UFO event 1561
Image
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I have been meaning to ask you guys this: Can you think of a way that a plasma discharge would appear to glow from one angle but not another? I find that aspect of the two videos very strange.

PersianPaladin wrote:Another example of a falling meteor slowing down, splitting apart and then floating in the air as plasmoids. This appeared on the News:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bww37_hrHMg


There is an alternate explanation for those, P.P. In the last vid you posted they said "there were air show planes in the air tonight making maneuvers..." These are videos of the US Army Golden Knights parachute team doing night jumps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaqvrv-8jIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17BS0muHByM
Starting at 3:20:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGyX2jid ... ults_video


Well spotted. Just goes to show how careful you have to be.

Thankfully I didn't put those videos on my blog. Mind you, the videos and pictures on my blog article have been carefully sourced.

Stuff like this for example - is way harder to explain without referring to plasmoids derived from some form of meteor entry (e.g. look at the speed of acceleration at 1:38):-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzSKsma0mFw

To an untrained eye - the behaviour may be "strange", even for plasma. But this behaviour is entirely possible once you look into the various possible dynamics of multiple double-layers. Notice that at 51 seconds in, the formerly horizontal plasma feature descends downwards and then seems to violently discharge and extinguish.
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby Doctor Zordirz » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:28 pm

Your blog article is nothing short of brilliant...
but, like you said, one must be very careful. I can't prove it but IMO that video is a fake (CGI) and so are all of the videos by "xxxdonutzxxx." He has nothing but UFO vids uploaded and so far all of the ones I have seen range from questionable to just plain insulting- for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeMOIkg-rlg&feature=plcp (skip to 2:00 if the first part isn't fake enough)

The one you posted is almost believable (the glow on the main object looks fabricated) until you look at his other stuff. I am convinced this guy is a hoaxer.

I don't claim to be an expert but the inordinate amount of time I have spent/wasted analyzing UFO videos has made me extremely critical. :geek:
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby GaryN » Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:55 am

@Doctor Zordirz
I have been meaning to ask you guys this: Can you think of a way that a plasma discharge would appear to glow from one angle but not another? I find that aspect of the two videos very strange.


The plasma formations can be reflective to certain EM wavelengths, so in this case I'd say the camera looking sunward will not have reflected light to detect, as does the one looking from the other side. They can also reflect microwaves which is why they sometimes show as a solid contact on radar. A large plasma formation could perhaps explain the reports of mile-wide UFOs, and their apparent ability to accelerate at phenomenal rates would be no big deal if the only thing moving was a field and not a massive solid structure. I think the effect has also been noted in some tornado funnels.
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby Aristarchus » Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:32 pm

CTJG 1986 wrote:Well I do believe that it is entirely possible myself though any such research would likely be heavily classified and not publicly accessible at this time, plasma stealth technology has existed for decades which ionizes the air around certain edges of the aircraft to scatter, absorb or otherwise interfere with radar signals and such(though last I heard it is still of limited effect).

So to the question of if it is possible I would say yes, but whether it is practical and effective enough with current technology to bother with is another question which I have no answer for at this time.


University of Florida professor designs plasma-propelled flying saucer

The U.S. Air Force and NASA have expressed interest in the aircraft, and the university is seeking to license the design, he said.

“This is a very novel concept, and if it’s successful, it will be revolutionary,” Roy said.

The vehicle will be powered by a phenomenon called magnetohydrodynamics, or the force created when a current or a magnetic field is passed through a conducting fluid. In the case of Roy’s aircraft, the conducting fluid will be created by electrodes that cover each of the vehicle’s surfaces and ionize the surrounding air into plasma.

The force created by passing an electrical current through this plasma pushes around the surrounding air, and that swirling air creates lift and momentum and provides stability against wind gusts.
In order to maximize the area of contact between air and vehicle, Roy’s design is partially hollow and continuously curved, like an electromagnetic flying bundt pan.

One of the most revolutionary aspects of Roy’s use of magnetohydrodynamics is that the vehicle will have no moving parts. The lack of traditional mechanical aircraft parts, such as propellers or jet engines, should provide tremendous reliability, Roy said. Such a design also will allow the WEAV to hover and take off vertically.


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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby Chai Wallah » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:12 pm

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this one looks like it is a 'rod'

here is an interesting video on rods , some good footage of one captured in a cave during base jumping filming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSwbmPM8D40s&t=36m0s

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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:36 pm

I'm not even sure about "rods" at all. I think nearly all of them are just insects who have been captured by an insufficiently high frame-rate on film - so it gives the appearance of a rod.

The coloured "rod" shape that I featured on page 1 of this forum post, however, is different. It was not captured in a fraction of a second like most "rods" are. That makes it more interesting and perhaps explainable under a plasma high-voltage discharge. Otherwise, approach these with a lot of caution.
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