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Re: Electrified Forest Rings in Northern Ontario! (Front page!)

Unread postby MGmirkin » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:47 am

Seems the story dropped off the front page again relatively quickly. 5 minutes of fame and all that!

Still an interesting article...

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Re: Electrified Forest Rings in Northern Ontario! (Front page!)

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:51 am

As you were Michael, this one was posted weeks ago by Junglelord. Worse still, you posted on it.

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Re: Electrified Forest Rings in Northern Ontario! (Front page!)

Unread postby MGmirkin » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:24 pm

Grey Cloud wrote:As you were Michael, this one was posted weeks ago by Junglelord. Worse still, you posted on it.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... ?f=4&t=644


Hmm, interesting. Must have completely spaced it, 'cause I honestly didn't remember having seen it before. Though on second look my comment does look vaguely familiar, as does most of the rest of the conversation. Weird.

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Re: The mysterious forest rings of northern Ontario

Unread postby MGmirkin » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:28 pm

Well, I've merged the two threads, since there's really no reason to have a forked conversation...

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Re: Mysterious Electrified Forest Rings of Northern Ontario

Unread postby Krackonis » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:49 pm

Great article there Mgm. However you stated that the stunted growth was indicative of bad drainage. It makes sense that a plasma strike which was overflowed with water (flood and lots of topsoil backwash) would still have bad drainage on the rim of the crater and also an electric field.

Perhaps that is as simple as that.
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Re: Mysterious Electrified Forest Rings of Northern Ontario

Unread postby MGmirkin » Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:42 am

Krackonis wrote:Great article there Mgm. However you stated that the stunted growth was indicative of bad drainage.


Technically, I think I stated the tree growth could have been on account of electrical factors, relating to the field of electro-horticulture, but the article also mentioned poor drainage which could be a simpler mechanism. Though, WHY the drainage would be poor "in a depressed circle" would still be a bit mysterious...

Unless one course one wanted to go out on a limb with the Birkeland image above and posit that the rings might have been connected to filaments associated with some kind of relatively stationary "flux tubes" that either machined or fused a circular pattern into the ground... Giant fulgurites (I wonder what they'd find if they were to excavate down a few hundred or a few thousand meters in those locations; anything unusual, or status quo)? That kind of creeps me out, even though it would be kind of cool. But for the time being that's way out on a limb. ;) So, I'll leave it at that.

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World on Fire

Unread postby junglelord » Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:33 am

Inside Science Research/Physics News Update
Number 867 #3, July 28, 2008 by Phil Schewe
World on Fire

Every summer, hundreds of wildfires burn millions of acres across the United States. The Santa Ana wind drives fire across Southern California, and forest fires fill the skies over the Western U.S. with smoke. NASA has turned its high-tech eyes toward the fires in a new website called "Fire and Smoke," unveiled just last week at http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/fires/main/index.html.

The site, with its stunning images of the world on fire, is an interactive combination of images from NASA satellites, aircraft and other research tools. The images are so good, and the fires so widespread, that the Earth begins to look like something out of a high-quality end-of-the-world science fiction movie. You can watch the smoke plumes drift for hundreds of miles from the California fires, or switch to a NASA image of the carbon monoxide being generated by those fires. There are images of fires in Greece, biomass burning in South America, and atmospheric particles from fires in Alaska. There is even a link to a NASA Goddard site that shows all of the past year's fires on a rotating globe.

http://www.aip.org/pnu/2008/split/867-3.html
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Re: World on Fire

Unread postby MattEU » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:31 pm

Hot spot - It’s a thermal anomaly

A two-acre patch of land north of Fillmore has heated up to 800 degrees, and firefighters and geologists are unsure why.
A patch of land in Ventura County's section of Los Padres National Forest where the ground recently heated up to 812 degrees continues to puzzle firefighters and geologists after weeks of monitoring.
"It's a thermal anomaly," said Ron Oatman, spokesman for the Ventura County Fire Department.
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/env ... 4523.story


video link in same article
http://www.latimes.com/video/?slug=la-m ... aug05-ktla

The articles are to long to fully quote, so here are some of the main bullet points and sections from a 2005 article. I thought I read somewhere that this had been going on/off since 1995 but can not find it again at the moment.

[*]Up to 800 degrees underground in 2008
[*]2005 temperatures had hottest spot of at 11 feet of 584 degrees. Only 4 inches under the surface it was 493 degrees
[*]The rocks do not get much hotter deeper underground
[*]Out gassing of carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide has remained stable
[*]No oil and gas deposits or vents in the vicinity and no significant deposits of coal It is near the Sespe Oil Field. The usual EU suspects of hills, lakes and oil around the area.
[*]Hot thermal springs in the area
[*]Local rock type is shale contains iron sulfides called pyrite and marcasite
[*]Theories – earthquake fault, landslide


From an EU point of view could this be caused by the electric current flowing or pinched in this spot? Or is it the Geology in the area? What process could cause the “combustion” without fire?

Maybe not related but if oil and gas is created inside the earth by some part of the EU and not over millions of years, would a steady flow of electrical current in the right geological areas keep creating oil and gas? Would this explain why oil keeps bubbling up out of the ground around the world and why oil is released under great pressure?


Posted 2005
It was a sunny day in the middle of August, void of thunder or lightning. What had started the fire? As the firefighters walked around, they noticed something strange.
“They saw fissures in the ground where they could feel a lot of heat coming out,” Los Padres geologist Allen King said. “It was not characteristic of a normal fire.”

A day or two later, the fire investigators went back to the canyon, this time armed with a candy thermometer. They stuck it into one of the cracks in the landslide. It hit the top of the scale, at 400 degrees.

The hottest spot of all was 11 feet underground, at 584 degrees — a temperature that is hot enough to melt solder, an alloy of tin and lead. At just 4 inches down, the scientists found temperatures of up to 493 degrees. Paper and wood burn at 451 degrees.
The teams took the temperature of the hot spot in 22 locations, returning every couple of months to sample them all over again. Surprisingly, they found that the rocks did not get significantly hotter, deeper down. During the past 10 months, the hot spot has cooled only slightly: The hottest sample has dropped from 584 degrees to 565 degrees.
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Comets and the plague ?

Unread postby bdw000 » Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:17 pm

Just found this very interesting article on the plague of 1347-50 being caused by a comet (or something):

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/145683-New-Light-on-the-Black-Death-The-Cosmic-Connection

It's a review of a book by a tree ring specialist. Something about ammonium in ice cores AND tree rings.

Looks to me like something the comet specialists here would want to check out.
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Re: Comets and the plague ?

Unread postby seasmith » Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:12 pm

The "water Bear" pictured above, made it though a space walk.

Now these organisms Live on Radiation !

http://www.newscientist.com/data/images ... -1_650.jpg
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It gets its energy from the radioactive decay of uranium in the surrounding rocks and has genes to extract carbon from dissolved carbon dioxide and other genes to fix nitrogen, which comes from the surrounding rocks.

Chris McKay, of NASA's Ames Research Center says that D. audaxviator is an amazing discovery, and represents the kind or organism that could survive below the surface of Mars or Saturn's sixth largest moon Enceladus.


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Re: Comets and the plague ?

Unread postby nick c » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:53 am

[url2=http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0310/0310120.pdf]Cometary panspermia explains the red rain of Kerala [/url2]

also, for a related news article, see this [url2=http://www.eyepod.org/Red-Rain.html]link[/url2]
"Are these cell-like particles a kind of alternate life from space?"
[snip]
A peer-reviewed research journal, Astrophysics and Space Science, has agreed to publish the paper. The journal
sometimes publishes unconventional findings, but rarely if ever ventures into generally acknowledged fringe
science such as claims of extraterrestrial visitors.

If the particles do represent alien life forms, said Louis and Kumar, this would fit with a longstanding theory called
panspermia, which holds that life forms could travel around the universe inside comets and meteors.
[snip]
The researchers didn't dispute the panspermia theory itself, which has a substantial scientific following.
"Panspermia may well be possible," wrote Lynn J. Rothschild of the NASA Ames Research Center in Moffett Field,
Calif., in an email. "I'm just not so sure that this is a case of it."
[snip]
"I don't have an obvious explanation," agreed prominent origins-of-life researcher David Deamer of the University of
California Santa Cruz, in an email. They "look like real cells, but with a very thick cell wall. But the leap to an
extraterrestrial form of life delivered to Earth must surely be the least likely hypothesis."
[snip]
At least 50,000 kg (55 tons) of the particles have fallen in all, they estimated. "An analysis of this strange
phenomenon further shows that the conventional atmospheric transport processes like dust storms etc. cannot
explain" it.
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Re: Comets and the plague ?

Unread postby nick c » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:42 am

More on panspermia and invasive microorganisms from space:
http://www.panspermia.com/wallis01.pdf
http://www.panspermia.com/napier01.pdf
http://www.biogeosciences-discuss.net/3 ... -print.pdf
http://jesse.usra.edu/articles/breiterm ... paper.html

and more:
The evidence for microbial life and its endproducts occuring cosmically came in small instalments from the 1970's. First there was the evidence for organic molecules in space, and recently these have included a sugar glycolaldehyde and an amino acid glycine. Then in the 1980's organic particles with sizes and spectra indistinguishable from bacteria were discovered, and then finally similar particles were found in comets after the 1986 explorations of Comet Halley. Arguments still rage whether these particles could look like bacteria and yet not be bacteria, but that is surely being perverse. There is an old English saying that if something looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then most probably it is a duck.. That is the situation we have in relation to the astronomical data.
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Trees

Unread postby tolenio » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:38 am

Hello,

Can somebody explain to me the difference between a ph imbalance and an electrochemical reaction?

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/trees-0923.html

Scientists have long known that trees can produce extremely small amounts of electricity. But no one knew exactly how the energy was produced or how to take advantage of the power.

In a recent issue of the Public Library of Science ONE, Zhang and MIT colleagues report the answer. "It's really a fairly simple phenomenon: An imbalance in pH between a tree and the soil it grows in," said Andreas Mershin, a postdoctoral associate at the CBE. The first author of the paper is Christopher J. Love, an MIT senior in chemistry who has been working on the project since his freshman year.

To solve the puzzle of where the voltage comes from, the team had to test a number of theories -- many of them exotic. That meant a slew of experiments that showed, among other things, that the electricity was not due to a simple electrochemical redox reaction (the type that powers the 'potato batteries' common in high school science labs, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_battery). The team also ruled out the source as due to coupling to underground power lines, radio waves or other electromagnetic interference.


I find this confusing but I am sure there is an explanation for the apparent conflicting terminology. How does electricity generated from a ph imbalance differ from electricity generated by electrochemical redox?

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Re: Trees

Unread postby junglelord » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:22 pm

The only difference is the mode de operendus.

Its ovbious a tree is not the same material as a potatoe.
A potatoe has the material to produce a chemical redox electric potential diffence.
A tree does not. However a tree has other ways to have a potential difference extracted from it.
Ph in the tree vs Ph of the ground ovbiously creates a potential difference via ions....acids vs bases.
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