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Historic planetary instability and catastrophe. Evidence for electrical scarring on planets and moons. Electrical events in today's solar system. Electric Earth.

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Re: Double layers . . . in water

Unread post by solrey » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:11 am

Thanks, that's a very generous offer Dotini. :)
solrey, if you listen to the interview, Pollack mentions that he started out as an Electrical Engineer. He also talks about that the dipole structure of water is neutral, that only the crystal water has charge. He touches on water vapor and clouds that echo what the EU guys mention. Everything he talked about echoed plasma and aether. The implications of what he's finding is profound. I wish I had a transcript of the show.

It looks like he is going to have a series of new books come out this year, so keep an eye out for more stuff; and definitely bookmark this thread.
I don't know why I failed to mention his background in Electrical Engineering considering I made this comment on another thread: "Good stuff, I've listened to it twice. Dr. Pollack is pretty much an electrical engineer disguised as a professor of bio-engineering studying water. ;) "

Anyhooo...yeah, that was a fascinating interview. Looking forward to those new books. Did you catch when he mentioned they're starting to include magnetism in their experiments?

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Re: Double layers . . . in water

Unread post by tayga » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:12 pm

Fascinating thread, guys. This is a real eye-opener. I love the photosynthesis and charge separation ideas.
allynh wrote:Everything he talked about echoed plasma and aether.
Allynh, in what way do his ideas echo aether?

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Re: Double layers . . . in water

Unread post by GaryN » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:56 pm

Good lecture, I like at the end where he speculates on
light as being perhaps the 'Primary Arranger'. I like
the Creator term, though PA will do. :-)
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Re: Double layers . . . in water

Unread post by webolife » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:18 pm

I'm new on this thread, as Dotini [thank you very much] just alerted me to it today. Pollack's work is great! Isn't it amazing how such a simple and obvious thing as surface tension might unify chemistry, biology, physics, along with immediate technological application? Kind of humbling I think to realize as is usually the case in scientific revolutions that the truth sits right there before us hidden in plain sight. I intend to tickle a few of my science students to try tackling some water battery experiments for their upcoming science fair projects! Their minds are so much more bendable than mine!

And I would consider it an honor to be in on a conference with Pollack here in Seattle. Let's do it!
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Re: Double layers . . . in water

Unread post by allynh » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:09 pm

tayga wrote: Allynh, in what way do his ideas echo aether?
22 August 2008
Electric Gravity in an Electric Universe
Thornhill wrote:
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If I can use a simple analogy, light travels slowly like the transverse ripples on a pond surface; gravity travels swiftly and longitudinally, like the speed of sound in water. Once again, this is at odds with Einstein’s metaphysics because it reinstates Maxwell’s aether: Maxwell’s electromagnetic theory requires a medium. How can you wave nothing?

The Michelson-Morley basement experiment was heralded as having lain to rest the notion of an aether. It didn’t.[24] Dayton Miller carried out far more rigorous repeats of that experiment at different locations and elevations. He found a residual, which allowed him to conclude that ponderable bodies like the Earth drag the aether with them. He was able to determine the relative motion of the solar system with respect to the aether.
Read through the Dayton Miller's Ether-Drift Experiments and pay attention to the way the aether is described as being "entrained".
Miller's work, which ran from 1906 through the mid-1930s, most strongly supports the idea of an ether-drift, of the Earth moving through a cosmological medium, with calculations made of the actual direction and magnitude of drift. By 1933, Miller concluded that the Earth was drifting at a speed of 208 km/sec. towards an apex in the Southern Celestial Hemisphere, towards Dorado, the swordfish, right ascension 4 hrs 54 min., declination of -70° 33', in the middle of the Great Magellanic Cloud and 7° from the southern pole of the ecliptic. (Miller 1933, p.234) This is based upon a measured displacement of around 10 km/sec. at the interferometer, and assuming the Earth was pushing through a stationary, but Earth-entrained ether in that particular direction, which lowered the velocity of the ether from around 200 to 10 km/sec. at the Earth's surface. Today, however, Miller's work is hardly known or mentioned, as is the case with nearly all the experiments which produced positive results for an ether in space. Modern physics today points instead to the much earlier and less significant 1887 work of Michelson-Morley, as having "proved the ether did not exist".

While Miller had a rough time convincing some of his contemporaries about the reality of his ether-measurements, he clearly could not be ignored in this regard. As a graduate of physics from Princeton University, President of the American Physical Society and Acoustical Society of America, Chairman of the Division of Physical Sciences of the National Research Council, Chairman of the Physics Department of Case School of Applied Science (today Case Western Reserve University), and Member of the National Academy of Sciences well known for his work in acoustics, Miller was no "outsider". While he was alive, he produced a series of papers presenting solid data on the existence of a measurable ether-drift, and he successfully defended his findings to not a small number of critics, including Einstein. His work employed light-beam interferometers of the same type used by Michelson-Morley, but of a more sensitive construction, with a significantly longer light-beam path. He periodically took the device high atop Mt. Wilson (above 6,000' elevation), where Earth-entrained ether-theory predicted the ether would move at a faster speed than close to sea-level. While he was alive, Miller's work could not be fundamentally undermined by the critics. However, towards the end of his life, he was subject to isolation as his ether-measurements were simply ignored by the larger world of physics, then captivated by Einstein's relativity theory.
Think of what Pollack was saying about the exclusion zones, where the water lined up in formation along the container wall or chemical film. That is the same thing that happens to any Fluid along the wall of the container/pipe.

Miller did all of his work on the Earth. The highest elevation that he ran the experiment was 6,000 feet. I live at 7,000 feet. The mountains around me go above 10,000. None of that matters to the kind of experiment that he did, because he was still within that aether exclusion zone as long as he was close to the surface of the Earth.

The aether exclusion zone extends far out from the surface of the Earth. This is similar to when Eddington did the test of Einstein's theory of "Gravity Bending Light". What really happened is that the aether extends well out from the surface of the Sun in an exclusion zone, so when the light passed through that volume, it bent, just like light bends when it passes through a crystal globe.

When you watch the video, and listen to the Mercola interview, Pollack is constantly mentioning that the water in cells are all structured.

Look at the raked lines in the Zen garden.
You have straight lines running across the garden, and curved lines around the rocks. Michelson-Morley thought that aether was straight lines.
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They were trying to see the Earth moving through those straight lines, but they kept seeing the lines around the rocks instead, so they declared failure. They insisted on thinking rigid lines being crossed rather than the aether forming contour lines around objects.
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If you look at the Solar System, even the Galaxy, think of the aether as being structured around the stars, planets, etc..., ordered like in a vast Zen Garden, where there are no straight lines, only curved rake lines around the various objects, just like Pollack describes how water is in the cells.
Remember, in contour lines, each line is a closed loop. There are no breaks. Here are some examples to play with from the Mathematica Demonstration Projects. No matter what they are modeling, they are using Fluid rules when they draw the contours. Look at all the Projects to get a sense of what I'm talking about, then watch the Pollack videos again, you will see the similarity. You are looking at plasma, you are looking at aether, you are looking at any Fluid.

Dressed Multi-Particle Electron Wave Functions ... Functions/

Adaptive Contour Plotting ... rPlotting/

Graph and Contour Plots of Functions of Two Variables ... Variables/

Visualizing the Gradient Vector ... entVector/

Laminar Flow between Two Eccentric Tubes ... tricTubes/

Reactive Scattering on a LEPS Surface ... PSSurface/

Wigner Function of Two-Dimensional Isotropic Harmonic Oscillator ... scillator/

Three-Dimensional Isotropic Harmonic Oscillator ... scillator/

Potential of a Charged Spheroid ... dSpheroid/

Graphene Brillouin Zone and Electronic Energy Dispersion ... ispersion/

Electronic Band Structure of a Single-Walled Carbon Nanotube by the Zone-Folding Method ... eByTheZon/

Dynamic Step Distance Transforms ... ransforms/

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Re: Double layers . . . in water

Unread post by Mikael_Joe » Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:11 pm

This nebula immediately reminded me of the lecture. The black parts is not dust at all but an actual hole in the nebula.

Here's a more widefield view. It's at the bright spot at center left of the image.

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Re: Double layers . . . in water

Unread post by Jarvamundo » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:26 pm

solrey wrote: Kinda jealous right now of the folks who live in Seattle. ;)
try hurling a boomerang :lol:

all lab visits reported back to TB. Manditory. :geek:

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Re: Double layers . . . in water

Unread post by ETSubmariner » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:46 pm

Jarvamundo wrote:
solrey wrote: Kinda jealous right now of the folks who live in Seattle. ;)
try hurling a boomerang :lol:

all lab visits reported back to TB. Manditory. :geek:
Hey, so how did the visit go last week?

On another note related to universal scaling, I came across some folks doing research on the simplest of things - grounding. Specifically, grounding of the human body on the face of the Earth in relation to health problems, which first started as subjective "I feel much better," to objective blood plasma and thermographic imaging showing that yes, "I feel better."

Take a gander:

I sent them a note about Thunderbolts, this forum and specifically the work of the UW Professor as well.

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Re: Double layers . . . in water

Unread post by calebeaton » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:31 pm

ETSubmariner wrote: Take a gander:
Glad this connection has been made. I'm a huge fan of "earthing" or "grounding" for health. Great set of videos starting here:
This guy (David Wolfe) often gives insights that show an intrinsic awareness of the electrical nature of the universe, although I don't think he has awakened to the Electric Universe model yet.

Ultimately he shows how healthy blood cells are appropriately "charged" with electrons from the earth which causes them to maintain a healthy separation from each other rather than stacking like coins. See blood slides in the first few minutes of this video...
Brings to mind charged planets.

If he impresses, let's bring this back around to water with his thoughts on "Ormus Water."
I think there is much about "ormus" that will be extremely intriguing to EU advocates, especially the transmutation of elements.

More about ormus here:

I love to see EU "theory" being applied everyday in very practical ways. And we're only scratching the surface.

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Re: 'electric oceans'

Unread post by nick c » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:38 am

This thread is a merger of the following threads:

Astounding Marine "Lightwheel"

Marine Light Wheels

Tsunami electric signal

'electric oceans'

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Re: Earth - electric oceans

Unread post by ETSubmariner » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:31 am

Hey! I see Gerald Pollack is going to the NPA Conference. Awesome! 8-)

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Re: Double layers . . . in water

Unread post by stickwhistler » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:08 am

ETSubmariner wrote:I just saw this video from a University of Washington professor about water. What he describes in this hour long video is the creation of double layers we know of here so well (charge separation, the whole bit). Another scaled instance of an electric/energetic phenomenon:
I watched the video today, and was spellbound when he mentioned charge separation,
and even more so when he mentioned life from water and infra red light etc.
Matches up with Wallace Thornhills speculation about life inside a brown dwarf stars 'shell'. ... giant#dest

Brilliant Video.
Thanks for posting the link.

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Re: Earth - electric oceans

Unread post by MrAmsterdam » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:22 pm

How about underwater life in a liquid conductor - salt water? Or should I say liquid crystalline conductor?

A page about problems with electricity, fish and aquarium. A few observations;

Also, some currents in salt water are perfectly natural as described below.

You can measure electrical currents everywhere-- the fact that salt water ions flow, actually generates an electrical current. Its unavoidable. The open ocean has lots of electrical currents flowing. Some of these are caused by currents flowing through the Earth while others are actually perturbations to local fields caused by the motion of objects (fish, turtles, etc.) in the water. When I was tracking the Florida Manatee (Trichechus manatus) in the Banana and Indian Rivers around the Kennedy Space center, we actually considered sensing the extremely low frequency (ELF) emissions generated by the manatee’s tails as they accelerated the brackish or salt water ions in the presence of the Earth magnetic field during vigorous swimming (alas, manatees are not very energetic most of the time and other means were chosen (Sirenian Tracking Project)). For example, the ampullae of Lorenzini in a shark’s nose detect minute current flow disturbances in the water as an aid in locating prey.
There are all sorts of anecdotes about how much better the fish in a given tank will act and look after adding one of these “grounding probes”. My belief is that if there are any stray currents in the tank coming from an electrical appliance, the solution is not to try to draw the current away with a grounding probe (symptom), rather, the appliance must be damaged and should be replaced (cure).

Fish don’t like electrical current to flow through their bodies. When higher electrical current levels flow through the water, fish will orient their bodies to minimize the potential (voltage) across their bodies, thereby minimizing the electrical current flowing through their bodies. At very low levels, the fish may only act strangely or seek areas of the aquarium where electrical current is not flowing. It is doubtful that continuous current flow through a fish’s body is beneficial, and may in fact be the source of anecdotal reports of Hole in the Head disease and Lateral Line Erosion. If your tank is at a different potential from the “ground” in your house, no electrical current may exist in your tank based on this static voltage. However as soon as you ground your tank by inserting a “grounding probe”, you will be guaranteed to have electrical current flowing even if the voltage drops.
Mimicking natural electric processes and phenomena in oceans? ... er=1283366

Restoring coral reefs, oyster banks, and fisheries by seawater electrolysis: coastal zone management and tourism applications

"We use very low voltage electrical currents to grow corals and oysters at faster rates than normal, even under normally lethal high temperatures and pollution, restoring these ecosystems where natural regeneration is impossible. The Biorock method directly provides energy for growth of skeleton and shells, leaving corals and oysters more energy for growth, reproduction, and resisting environmental stress. Field experiments in all oceans show that electrified corals and oysters grow faster and survive better, and quickly build up large populations of adult and larval fishes."
Electric grown limestone crystals in seawater to speed up coral growth; ... stions.htm

"Why do corals grow faster on a Biorock structure?

Corals grow at accelerated rates with mineral accretion because the electricity flowing through the structure creates chemical conditions (high pH) at the surface of the growing limestone crystals and at the surface of the coral’s limestone skeleton, greatly speeding up their growth.

Corals normally have to spend a large part of their energy to create these conditions in order to grow their skeleton, but mineral accretion provides the right conditions for free, leaving the coral with much more energy for tissue growth, reproduction, and resisting environmental stresses."
And an electric perspective on ocean reefs;

Electric Reefs; The Vital Spark That Reanimates The World's Ailing Coral Reefs May Be Electricity.

Caspar Henderson

New Scientist, 06 July 2002
2 short videoclips of biorock; a very uplifting story. It is seems to be very clear which way to go if you want to help out underwater life. ... 5Q-mDYumcE
Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. -Nikola Tesla -1934

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Re: Earth - electric oceans

Unread post by webolife » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:37 pm

Fascinating. I invited Dr. Pollack to a science fair at my school last Friday in April, and will ask him what he knows about the electrical contribution to coral growth. There is a lot of untapped electrical potential all around us it appears.
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Re: Earth - electric oceans

Unread post by allynh » Mon May 02, 2011 12:28 pm

I had a heck of a time finding the Double Layer thread. Here is another article on water.

How Water Shapes DNA ... shapes-dna
How Water Shapes DNA

Water molecules surround the genetic material DNA in a very specific way. Scientists at the Helmholtz-Zentrum Dresden-Rossendorf (HZDR) have discovered that, on the one hand, the texture of this hydration shell depends on the water content and, on the other hand, actually influences the structure of the genetic substance itself. These findings are not only important in understanding the biological function of DNA; they could also be used for the construction of new DNA-based materials.

The DNA's double helix never occurs in isolation; instead, its entire surface is always covered by water molecules which attach themselves with the help of hydrogen bonds. But the DNA does not bind all molecules the same way.

"We've been able to verify that some of the water is bound stronger whereas other molecules are less so," notes Dr. Karim Fahmy, Head of the Biophysics Division at the Institute of Radiochemistry. This is, however, only true if the water content is low. When the water sheath swells, these differences are adjusted and all hydrogen bonds become equally strong. This, in turn, changes the geometry of the DNA strand: The backbone of the double helix, which consists of sugar and phosphate groups, bends slightly. "The precise DNA structure depends on the specific amount of water surrounding the molecule," summarizes Dr. Fahmy.

Analyses of the genetic material were conducted at the HZDR by the doctoral candidate Hassan Khesbak. The DNA, which came from salmon testes, was initially prepared in thin films and then wetted with ultrafine doses of water within a few seconds. With the help of infrared spectroscopy, Hassan Khesbak was able to verify that the strength of hydrogen bonds varies and that water molecules exhibit different rest periods in such configurations. Oscillations of the water bonds in the hydration shell of the double helix can be excited by infrared light. The higher the frequency of the oscillation, the looser the hydrogen bond. It became apparent that the sugar components and the base pairs create particularly strong bonds with the water sheath while the bonds between the water and the phosphate groups are weaker. The results were published just recently in the professional magazine Journal of the American Chemical Society (doi: 10.1021/ja108863v).
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Image of a water molecules composed of 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom. Water molecules are polar, resulting in a partial negative charge near the oxygen atom and partial positive charges near the hydrogen atoms. This uneven distribution of charge causes water molecules to attract one another – forming the 'hydogen bond' shown above. Hydrogen bonds are what give water unique properties that are ultimately essential for water's role in making life on Earth possible. Credit: University of Arizona
"DNA is, thus, a responsive material," explains Karim Fahmy. "By this, we refer to materials which react dynamically to varying conditions. The double helix structure, the strength of the hydrogen bonds, and even the DNA volume tend to change with higher water contents."

Already today, genetic material is an extraordinarily versatile and interesting molecule for so-called DNA nanotechnology. Because with DNA it is possible to realize highly ordered structures with new optical, electronic, and mechanical properties at tiny dimensions which are also of interest for the HZDR. The bound water sheath is not just an integral part of such structures. It can also assume a precise switching function because the results indicate that increasing the hydration shell by only two water molecules per phosphate group may cause the DNA structure to "fold" instantly. Such water dependent switching processes might be able to control, for example, the release of active agents from DNA-based materials.

It does not come as a complete surprise that the water sheath of the genetic material is also of great relevance to the natural biological function of DNA. Because every biomolecule which is bound to the DNA has to first displace the water sheath. The Dresden scientists have analyzed this process for the peptide indolicidin. This antimicrobial protein is less structured and very flexible. That it still "identifies" the double helix so precisely is due to the fact that highly structured water molecules are released when it coalesces with the genetic material. The water sheath's restructuring, which is actually an energetic advantage, increases the binding of the active agent. Such details are really important for the development of DNA-binding drugs, for example, in cancer therapy because they can be ascertained with the method developed at the HZDR.


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