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Re: Strange fireballs during tornado warning (higher quality

Unread postby nick c » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:04 pm

It's okay Omni. We accept your sincerity, thanks for posting the simple solution....a reflection.
Mystery solved.
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Climate Variation & its Cosmic Origins

Unread postby rkm » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:01 am

Abstract: The emerging electric model of the universe holds the key to understanding the causes of long and short-term climate variation. The pattern of variation has very specific characteristics, characteristics that match the behavior of a noisy electrical circuit. The electric model reveals that the Earth is indeed connected to a cosmic electrical circuit, a circuit that is subject to the kind of noise that could produce the patterns seen in the Earth’s temperature record.

http://www.serendipity.li/climate/cosmic_climate.htm
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Re: Climate Variation & its Cosmic Origins

Unread postby pavlink » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:39 am

Wonder what's perturbing the Sun?

More unexpected solar behaviour
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14488#p85724
We live in a double star system.
We need to study double star systems.

Solar System as 4D energy vortex
http://files.kostovi.com/8835e.pdf
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Re: Climate Variation & its Cosmic Origins

Unread postby rkm » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:15 am

Apart from the 11-year cycle, the variation in the Sun's activity is determined by the strength of the Birkeland current coming into the Sun. That current is subject to fluctuations due to discharge events along the current filament.
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Re: Climate Variation & its Cosmic Origins

Unread postby nick c » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:19 am

Hi rkm,
The problem with that article is that most in the EU do not support ice core dating as a valid chronological tool. So from an EU perspective we cannot extract evidence for any cycles involving long term variations derived from ice core data.
see:
http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophi ... s/ice.html
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Re: Climate Variation & its Cosmic Origins

Unread postby rkm » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:43 am

Thanks for looking at the paper.

What is the reason for rejecting ice-core records? The arguments I've seen would imply major discontinuities in the record, and the record is too regular for that. Also the fact that the north and south records both rose at the end of the ice age together in a reasonable way.
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Re: Climate Variation & its Cosmic Origins

Unread postby rkm » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:54 am

Sorry, I now clicked on your link, that shows arguments.

They talk about lots of ways the record doesn't follow the original model. Nonetheless, the record shows a lot of continuous regularity. It seems possible that we need a scaling factor, or something along those lines, to account for the perturbing factors mentioned. Also I think it matter exactly where Vostok is, how close to the pole, in terms of the effects mentioned.

Do we have any other source long-term temperature information?
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Re: Climate Variation & its Cosmic Origins

Unread postby rkm » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:10 am

More thoughts: It seems to me there would be three kinds of errors:
1) interpretation of gas concentration is faulty re/temperatures
2) time intervals wrong due to counting years wrong
3) discontinuities in record; layers melting off top

The third one seems unlikely, given the regularity in the record. The other two, perhaps, could be corrected for.

thoughts?
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Re: Climate Variation & its Cosmic Origins

Unread postby rkm » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:15 am

A synopsis of a paper from Wiley Online Library:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/97JC01283/abstract

Well-documented present-day distributions of stable water isotopes (HDO and H218O) show the existence, in middle and high latitudes, of a linear relationship between the mean annual isotope content of precipitation (δD and δ18O) and the mean annual temperature at the precipitation site. Paleoclimatologists have used this relationship, which is particularly well obeyed over Greenland and Antarctica, to infer paleotemperatures from ice core data. There is, however, growing evidence that spatial and temporal isotope/surface temperature slopes differ, thus complicating the use of stable water isotopes as paleothermometers. In this paper we review empirical estimates of temporal slopes in polar regions and relevant information that can be inferred from isotope models: simple, Rayleigh-type distillation models and (particularly over Greenland) general circulation models (GCMs) fitted with isotope tracer diagnostics. Empirical estimates of temporal slopes appear consistently lower than present-day spatial slopes and are dependent on the timescale considered. This difference is most probably due to changes in the evaporative origins of moisture, changes in the seasonality of the precipitation, changes in the strength of the inversion layer, or some combination of these changes. Isotope models have not yet been used to evaluate the relative influences of these different factors. The apparent disagreement in the temporal and spatial slopes clearly makes calibrating the isotope paleothermometer difficult. Nevertheless, the use of a (calibrated) isotope paleothermometer appears justified; empirical estimates and most (though not all) GCM results support the practice of interpreting ice core isotope records in terms of local temperature changes.
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Re: Climate Variation & its Cosmic Origins

Unread postby rkm » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:59 pm

One more thing. The only thing I'm using, is that temperatures are spiky, with semi-regula frequency, and over a wide range of scales. As long as the time scale is proportional to the real time, and the temperature scale is proportional to the real temperature, then the paper's argument remains as good as before.
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Historical Effects of Wind on Global Temperature

Unread postby Frantic » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:28 pm

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 2-15-40-23

I found this very interesting. They still have a lot of convincing to do, and these seem to be the initial results, needing more verification. It points to, as many eu proponents have stated, that climate change is not as simple as greenhouse gases.



...non-scientific opinions below slowly warping into off-topic rambling ...

We are in a dynamic situation, Solar activity effects the Earth's winds, Earth's winds effect ocean temperatures, and so on...

Our environment on earth and in space is dynamic and contains chaos and stability. Wherein for sometime you can have a seemingly stable system interacting with a chaotic one(or even multiple chaotic systems connected in a stable interaction, ultimately the chaotic situation will force oscillation between multiple stable states, or transform the entire system to chaos. Chaos and Stability. Nothing can contain one-thing, that which is container and that which is contained are 2. There is never one, always Yin and Yang. Charge is positive or negative. Gravity is one, it cannot be. If something close to a big bang did occur, then there must have been two energies, gravity and its opposite. You cannot destroy what you cannot create and you cannot create what you cannot destroy. There cannot be creation from nothing, and everything created cannot become nothing, therefore it has always been. (this is a very very very obvious conclusion from the conservation of matter) Daoism has taught this since BC times. As well as the wisdom to know you do not know. These ancient scholars never thought to propose universe swallowing black-holes, to see back in time trillions of light-years, to collapse dimensions, or warp-space time. What we gain in intelligence we lose in wisdom. Out.
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Climate variation & Birkeland currents

Unread postby rkm » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:53 am

According to my understanding of the EU model, we have the following facts:

1) The Sun is powered by a Birkeland current.
2) Most of the current flows around the heliosphere.
3) A fraction of the current enters the Corona at the poles.
4) Only a fixed amount of that fraction reaches the Sun's surface, causing arc discharge.
3) The rest flows out over the equatorial current sheet.
4) A fraction of that current enters the Earth's ionosphere at the poles.
5) After interacting with the Earth system the current rejoins the equatorial current sheet.
6) The Sun is only one of many stars strung along the same Birkeland current.

The Earth is functioning as a resistor in the Sun's equatorial current sheet. Resistors heat up, depending on the intensity of the current flow. A surge of current on the current sheet would cause a spike of heating in the Earth system.

If a discharge event occurs anywhere on the Sun's Birkeland current, that would cause a current surge, and a fraction of that would reach the Earth, causing a heating spike.

A sufficiently large discharge event could not only cause a major spike of Earth heating, but could also lead to interplanetary discharges – the Thunderbolts of the Gods.

Thesis: climate variation is due to variations in the Sun's Birkeland current.
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Re: Climate variation & Birkeland currents

Unread postby seasmith » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:14 pm

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rkm wrote:

The Earth is functioning as a resistor in the Sun's equatorial current sheet. Resistors heat up, depending on the intensity of the current flow. A surge of current on the current sheet would cause a spike of heating in the Earth system.
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Thesis: climate variation is due to variations in the Sun's Birkeland current.


Reasonable and logical,
but what if Earth is, in addition, a variable resister?
Would the feedback affect Sol's power circuit ?

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Re: Climate variation & Birkeland currents

Unread postby rkm » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:25 am

joke?
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Re: Climate variation & Birkeland currents

Unread postby Maol » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:29 am

I don’t see it as a joke. Think of the current flow and sensitivity to a very small change of resistance in one leg of a Wheatstone bridge. A tiny change of resistance in one resistor will reverse the current flow. Not just Earth, but all the planets would be involved in such phenomena and the variations of the overall circuit resistance would be in a state of continual flux due to orbital motions and ?? moons ?? comets ?? …. ??
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