Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

[starbiter]

The two images below show the horizontal stratigraphy that seems like the result of slurry runoff. The area below the horizontal layers is where the layers of coal and bone are.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... z&hl=en_US

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... 3&hl=en_US

michael

[Osmosis]

Michael-
I got a caution from Macafee on these sites.
Osmosis

[starbiter]

Hello Osmosis: Which sites gave You a warning? The photographic images are mine.

michael

[Osmosis]

Hello Michael-
There must have been a glitch in the MacAfee warning process. I see your images, now!
Osmosis

[starbiter]

I've been trying to figure out the trenches next to the shorelines in many places. Like the one below.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=36 ... =9&vpsrc=6

This implies the ocean being much more shallow. And if the catastrophic model is used, recently.

The depth of the trench can be determined by using Google Earth. The bottom of the screen shows the depth where you put the cursor. The end of the trench is over 12,000 feet deep.

While walking today it struck me. During a westward slosh the area in the map above would be dry, because of the waters rushing West. And if there was an eastern slosh prior to the event, the land would be draining a flood that's difficult to describe. This makes the period of ocean dryness temporary.

That would fit the descriptions from Worlds in Collision. If the Earth reversed it's rotation twice, as described, 4 sloshes would be expected, with a release of the equatorial bulge twice. People claimed to see the bottom of the sea.

Because the material that makes up the continental shelf was fresh and moist, it would have been easily eroded. The steepness of the shelf would increase the rapidity of the erosion.

michael

[jjohnson]

Excellent aerials, Michael! Seeing the planet from above at that scale is similar to slant photography of Mars on the HiRISE site. Some of the edges of mesas at the foot of the formations look EDM'd to my eye. Vertical scalloping, sharp edges, barely eroded over (what amount of) time..

I haven't used Google to look underwater - that's really an interesting take on what might've done that, and in such sharp relief. Why haven't steady ocean currents like the Alaska current smoothed some of that down (or are those near-surface currents, and nothing at all like the Antarctic conveyor belt running north beleow the Atlantic?

Jim

[webolife]

I think both Michael's "sloshing" and the cutting of the continental shelf canyons might be attributed to mega tsunami action. Tsunami wave crests and troughs, turbidity flows, and rip currents may all have played a part, eh?

[starbiter]

Hello Webo: A slosh would mean the entire Pacific Ocean would move East. That would happen if the Sun shifted it's rising position from East to West, as described in Worlds in Collision. The water and muck would rise up the western face of what are now the mountains between Alaska and Chile, and rush through the passes. The process might have started with islands.

The survivors might have prayed for the worst possible tidal wave. Just no more sloshes.

A slosh in the opposite direction would make the area West of the Americas dry as the waters rushed West. The Earth reversed it's rotation for the last time during the events associated with Mars 700 years after Venus, according to WiC.

I see the results of the sloshes everywhere. Some valleys are filled with sediment [those next to basins] and others go all the way done to a valley stream or river [those not next to basins].


Jim Johnson said,
[...]

Excellent aerials, Michael! Seeing the planet from above at that scale is similar to slant photography of Mars on the HiRISE site. Some of the edges of mesas at the foot of the formations look EDM'd to my eye. Vertical scalloping, sharp edges, barely eroded over (what amount of) time..

me again,
Glad you liked the aerials Jim. I didn't realize what i was looking at three years ago when i took them, but it was interesting. I have a better feel now. The erosion at the bottom is just where it would be expected if a flood cut through fresh soft sediment at the end of the process. Latter a current of some sort traveled North zapping the South facing structures. Most of the damage is in the canyons, especially where the canyons narrow. It seems the current is compressed there. I'll post an image of the results of zapping a little latter.

michael

[starbiter]

The map below shows a pass that faces South in the Book Cliffs. Zoom out for perspective.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=39 ... 15&vpsrc=6

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=39 ... 17&vpsrc=6

It seems zapping causes formations to look like the images below.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... 4&hl=en_US

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... z&hl=en_US

Notice the background looks heated.

michael

[starbiter]

Hello Webo: You said,
[...]

I think both Michael's "sloshing" and the cutting of the continental shelf canyons might be attributed to mega tsunami action. Tsunami wave crests and troughs, turbidity flows, and rip currents may all have played a part, eh?


me again,
Mega tsunami were probably common during the events described in Worlds in Collision. The would have played a part. Earthquakes were reported to have split a mountain in half. And that was during the less violent Mars events. The tidal wave described in the link below is probably small compared to the tidal events during the Venus and Mars encounters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Palma

As bad as the tsunamis might have been they would be nothing like a slosh. They wouldn't produce trenches like the ones under discussion. For the trench like the one off of Monterey Bay the waters need to recede 12,000 feet for an extended time.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=36 ... =9&vpsrc=6

A mega tsunami might reduce the sea level as the wave approached the beach, but this would be short lived. A slosh might last for seven to nine days as the rotation of the Earth was braking. If the slosh was westward the area off of Monterey Bay could stay dry for a period long enough to explain the trench. While this was happening a flood from the East could be pouring through the western US mountains, draining into the Pacific. This, or a similar event might cause the trench we see in the map above.

michael

[venn]

I think it would be helpful to have as background information for this discussion a list of excerpts/quotes from WiC and EiU that describe the events and their succession as Velikovsky saw them happening as well as the remains that have been found.

[starbiter]

I think it would be helpful to have as background information for this discussion a list of excerpts/quotes from WiC and EiU that describe the events and their succession as Velikovsky saw them happening as well as the remains that have been found.

Hello Venn: I thought i was unique in thinking basalt might not always be volcanic. I see an external source of heat, namely plasma. It turns out i'm over 60 years late. Dr Velikovsky thought a thunderbolt between Mars and Earth caused basalt to be produced. WiC page 273 Page 146 in the Scribd search box

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21746049/Veli ... -Collision

[...]

Pliny says also that a bolt from Mars fell on Bolsena, "the richest town in Tuscany," and that the
city was entirely burned up by this bolt.17 He refers to Tuscan writings as the source of his
information. By Tuscan writings are meant Etruscan books.
Bolsena, or the ancient Volsinium, was one of the chief cities of the Etruscans, the people whose
civilization preceded that of the Latin Romans on the Apennine Peninsula. The Etruscan states
occupied the area of what was later known as Tuscany, between the Tiber and the Arno.
Near Bolsena, or Volsinium, is a lake of the same name. This lake fills a basin nine miles long,
seven miles wide, and 285 feet deep. For a long time this basin was regarded as the water-filled
crater of a volcano. However, its area of 117 square kilometers exceeds by far that of the largest
known craters on the earth—those in the Andes in South America and those in the Hawaiian
(Sandwich) Islands in the Pacific. Hence, the idea that the lake is the crater of an extinct volcano
has recently been questioned. Moreover, although the bottom of the lake is of lava, and the
ground around the lake abounds with ashes and lava and columns of basalt, the talus of a volcano
is lacking.

Me again,

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bolsena,+ ... 6&t=p&z=12

I see a second roundish impression to the West of the lake. The whole area seems to have been sloshed, covering the detail. Note the crater on the lower right side of the lake.



I'm confident that Dr Velikovsky would have seen the River of Fire as plasma eventually. Unfortunately he was mortal and his time ran out. But he figured out that thunderbolts might create basalt. Like the central peak and rim in the crater below. The crater on the lower left.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=-2 ... 10&vpsrc=6

I don't think the formation above has anything to do with a volcano.

not so unique, michael

[starbiter]

I think it would be helpful to have as background information for this discussion a list of excerpts/quotes from WiC and EiU that describe the events and their succession as Velikovsky saw them happening as well as the remains that have been found.

In the spirit of Venn's request above i've been looking at Worlds in Collision for excerpts that would be helpful in understanding the events with Venus and Mars.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21746049/Veli ... -Collision
WiC page 250 Scribd search page 135



In this battle of gods above and beneath, Trojans and Achaeans clashed together and the whole
universe roared and shivered. The
250
WORLDS IN COLLISION
battle was fought in gloom; Hera spread a thick mist. The river "rushed with surging flood, and
roused all his streams tumultuously." Even the ocean was inspired with "fear of the lightning of
great Zeus and his dread thunder, whenso it crasheth from heaven." Then rushed into the battle a
"wondrous blazing fire. First on the plain was the fire kindled, and burned the dead . . . and all
the plain was parched." Then to the river turned the gleaming flame. "Tormented were the eels
and the fish in the eddies, and in the fair streams they plunged this way and that.... The fair
streams seethed and boiled." Nor had the river "any mind to flow onward, but was stayed,"
unable to protect Troy.
Upon the gods "fell strife heavy and grievous." "Together then they clashed with a mighty din,
and the wide earth rang, and round about great heaven pealed as with a trumpet.... Zeus—the
heart within him laughed aloud in joy as he beheld the gods joining in strife."
Ares . . . began the fray, and first leapt upon Athene, brazen spear in hand, and spake a word of
reviling: "Wherefore now again, thou dog-fly, art thou making gods to clash with gods in strife .
. . ? Rememberest thou not what time . . . thyself in sight of all didst grasp the spear and let drive
straight at me, and didst rend my fair flesh?"
This second encounter between Ares and Athene was also lost by Ares.
He [Ares] smote upon her tasselled aegis.... Thereon bloodstained Ares smote with his long
spear. But she gave ground, and seized with her stout hand a stone that lay upon the plain, black
and jagged and great.... Therewith she smote furious Ares on the neck, and loosed his limbs...
.Pallas Athene broke into a laugh.... "Fool, not even yet hast thou learned how much mightier than thou I avow me to be, that thou matchest thy strength with mine."
Aphrodite came to wounded Ares, "took [him] by the hand, and sought to lead [him] away." But
"Athene sped in pursuit.... She smote Aphrodite on the breast with her stout hand . . . and her
heart melted."


Me again,
The thing that strikes me here is the fire turning to the river. It appears the fire [seething plasma] traveled through the drainage system. It appears to have traveled upstream. When the river forks the land in-between the two rivers in some cases is transformed into basalt. It's zapped and heated from two sides.

In the map below the Colorado River follows I-70 East from Grand Junction. The Gunnison River flows South along highway # 50. In-between is the Grand Mesa. It's covered with 250 feet of basalt. The park rangers told me there are no basalt vents. The basalt flowed there.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=39 ... 10&vpsrc=6

In the map below the Freemont River and Sulphur Creek fork at Fruita. In-between is a formation of basalt.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=38 ... 15&vpsrc=6

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=38 ... 15&vpsrc=6

The description of fire turning to the river is while Venus and Mars were doing battle within sight of Earth. This is an indirect event. Earth is not interacting with Venus or Mars directly.

If others read or re-read WiC it would be cool if when You notice electric events, or events that would effect Earths crust [geology], that You share them here.

michael

[starbiter]

There is a ring of basalt in the western USA.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=213 ... ,19.753418

If You change to satellite and terrain, and zoom in and out, the basalt is obvious.

In the center of the basalt circle is a round area.

http://g.co/maps/dnbu

The map below shows both circles.

http://g.co/maps/aeuc

This appears to be the remnant of a huge thunderbolt.

michael

[webolife]

No basalt vents? ... careful there... Craters of the Moon displays lots of basalt vents but neither the Columbia River plateau nor the Yellowstone caldera display these, yet clearly the basalt flowed from vents... The basalt near Grand Junction is similar in formation to the typical columnar-vessicular flows we see in the Northwest and other parts of the world, eg Antarctica, or the Deccan province in India. The flow and cooling characteristics are classical. Attributing their formation to enhanced aurorae or interplanetary megalightning is exotic to an extreme. Oops, I forgot to check if my objections were still welcome around here