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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby Holger Isenberg » Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:06 am

The video about Zion Canyon and its strange parallel patterns I have seen previously. Yes the difference there is obvious and the parallel features remind to those along Valles Marineris.

I wanted to bring in this topic of deep dielectric discharge as sometimes, not in your presentation, even the presumed normal river valleys are connected to electrical features. And for those cases I always wondered what process would create them on a larger scale with multiple instances globally as singular separated enormous lighting would produce different patterns. And with the deep discharge you have electrical features without any external huge sparks as everything is discharged within the material itself. But I haven't considered the water which would of course change the patterns.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:11 pm

Holger Isenberg wrote:The video about Zion Canyon and its strange parallel patterns I have seen previously. Yes the difference there is obvious and the parallel features remind to those along Valles Marineris.

I wanted to bring in this topic of deep dielectric discharge as sometimes, not in your presentation, even the presumed normal river valleys are connected to electrical features. And for those cases I always wondered what process would create them on a larger scale with multiple instances globally as singular separated enormous lighting would produce different patterns. And with the deep discharge you have electrical features without any external huge sparks as everything is discharged within the material itself. But I haven't considered the water which would of course change the patterns.



It appears fluvial canyons have been altered. Especially surrounding Four Corners. Similar to Zion, but not making brand new canyons. Just expanding and zapping.

It's the similarity in color between Zion and the formations E of 89.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2382611 ... !1e4?hl=en

The color shows where the current density was high.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby robinrenee » Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:26 pm

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Postby 601L1n9FR09 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:26 pm

Michael,
I stumbled on the video early this morning and was so stoked for you!!
Aside from seeming "moments notice" (which only added to the charm as far as I am concerned);
It was very entertaining. Every speaker there was a tough act to follow. I think you were too.
I especially loved the charity for lost volcanoes. Hang in there and permit the facts to lead the way.

Lurkingly yours,

JD

P.S. I will be spending some more time on the links you just left!
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I too have recently discovered Michael Steinbacher through Ben Davidson's Suspicious Observers videos. I get the feeling that something very important is going on in Michael's mind. I've had a passion for geology all my life (I'm a 73 year old lady), and your ideas are like "light bulb" moments for me.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:50 pm

robinrenee wrote:
Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?
Postby 601L1n9FR09 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:26 pm

Michael,
I stumbled on the video early this morning and was so stoked for you!!
Aside from seeming "moments notice" (which only added to the charm as far as I am concerned);
It was very entertaining. Every speaker there was a tough act to follow. I think you were too.
I especially loved the charity for lost volcanoes. Hang in there and permit the facts to lead the way.

Lurkingly yours,

JD

P.S. I will be spending some more time on the links you just left!
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I too have recently discovered Michael Steinbacher through Ben Davidson's Suspicious Observers videos. I get the feeling that something very important is going on in Michael's mind. I've had a passion for geology all my life (I'm a 73 year old lady), and your ideas are like "light bulb" moments for me.

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Thanks Robinrenee,

As i like to say, if the legends are true, what i propose is not just possible, but inevitable.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby robinrenee » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:36 pm

I agree... I read Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision and Earth in Upheaval when they came out in the 50's. They set the stage for my interest in geology. Alas, the academic geology is cold and sterile. So your ideas are like a fresh breath of inspiration. To think that the legends are not true would be foolish. They are too pervasive and too similar to be untrue.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby robinrenee » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:19 am

This morning the Weather Channel is baffled about the giant deposit of methane in the Four Corners of the Southwest. I don't imagine this is a surprise to Michael.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:11 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIMKcSpQZLI

The link above proposes that some craters are round mountains.

I really miss being challenged by Seasmith, Webo, Moses and the rest of the folk. Even Grey Cloud.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby moses » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:27 am

Hi Michael, it's a theory.
The material around the crater would be different to the material in the region of the crater. Either the material on the edge got transported from inside the crater or else it was transported from far away.

Sorry I have not stirred you up lately.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:09 am

moses wrote:Hi Michael, it's a theory.
The material around the crater would be different to the material in the region of the crater. Either the material on the edge got transported from inside the crater or else it was transported from far away.

Sorry I have not stirred you up lately.
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"The material around the crater would be different to the material in the region of the crater."

I don't understand the sentence above. Please explain.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby Bomb20 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:17 am

Hello Michael,

some first ideas about this video and your exciting new approach to the electric creation of (round) mountains.
I am not educated in Geology and I beg for pardon if I conclude nonsense but I feel it could help to fuel the discusson.

1. The picture from the Moon (at 6:12 min in your video clip) seems to be the strongest illustration in favour of your hypothesis about "Round Mountains"/craters in my humble opinion.

The bottom of the crater seems to have the same level of altitude like the surface of the Moon outside the crater. There is no difference visible, at least not to me. Also the material for the creation of the ring-shaped mountain is probably not coming from the Moon. At least I can not see any big source nearby which delivered material. And it is, indeed, a lot simpler to add material from above than to draw all from the surrounding area or below. Also to cut out a lot of material to create the ring-shaped formation seems to be rather complicated.

To my knowledge the mainstream's impact crater theory has always missed to prove that the bottom inside the creater could look so untouched and undisturbed as it looks. They claim the interior of craters was molten and bounced back into the old position after impact. This is hard to believe for me if I look at this pictue and many others from the Moon.

2. If the bottom of a crater is lower in altitude than the area surrounding the crater then I would doubt or outrule the opportunity that this specific crater was formed by addition of material, especially if we see any sharp central peaks at the same time. Both features together are rather indication of a subtracting process, I think.

And I would like to know more about the creation of central peaks in craters and even craters inside central peaks in experiments. In general it would be interesting to discuss the relation between craters and central peaks or - the other way around - craters and central pits or troughts. Are they possible in your new scenario as well?

3. Is the new scenario able to explain the chaotic formations seen to the West, East and Northeast of Valles Marineris: Noctis Labyrinthus, Aurorae Chaos and Hydraotes Chaos?
I was quite satisfied with the explanation in Thunderbolts Mars docu at 11:07 min (example of the lightning strike on insulator).

Or could we assume two different processes or a multi-stage process to explain them?
For me many of these chaotic regions look like a force was acting from above and eroding and cutting the blocks from above. Could the new scenarion account for them as well?

4. I think there can not be any doubt that the northern hemisphere suffered from EDM and an lost an awful lot material. And one should never forget the camera's flight in the Mars docu (57:15 to 58:07 min). The northern hemisphere is not lacking craters. There are maybe more than in the south but they are very little and look like produced in an industrial process.
And I would not blaim Venus for all of the debris on Mars or all material used to built-up the Tharsis-Region. I know you did not explicitely say so but we have to keep in mind that whole Mars was probably engulfed in electric discharges of different types.

5. I am not sure if the addition of material by Michael's scenario is really working without any subtraction before or at the same time. I could imagine a very complex process or rather repeated processes with electric erosion (subtraction) and addition of material, maybe at the same time on Mars. The new scenario seems to fit the Moon better than Mars in my humble opinion.

I don't know if this is of any help but I hope some people can make some sense of it. And please, excuse my poor English.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:31 am

Bomb20 wrote:Hello Michael,

some first ideas about this video and your exciting new approach to the electric creation of (round) mountains.
I am not educated in Geology and I beg for pardon if I conclude nonsense but I feel it could help to fuel the discusson.

1. The picture from the Moon (at 6:12 min in your video clip) seems to be the strongest illustration in favour of your hypothesis about "Round Mountains"/craters in my humble opinion.

The bottom of the crater seems to have the same level of altitude like the surface of the Moon outside the crater. There is no difference visible, at least not to me. Also the material for the creation of the ring-shaped mountain is probably not coming from the Moon. At least I can not see any big source nearby which delivered material. And it is, indeed, a lot simpler to add material from above than to draw all from the surrounding area or below. Also to cut out a lot of material to create the ring-shaped formation seems to be rather complicated.

To my knowledge the mainstream's impact crater theory has always missed to prove that the bottom inside the creater could look so untouched and undisturbed as it looks. They claim the interior of craters was molten and bounced back into the old position after impact. This is hard to believe for me if I look at this pictue and many others from the Moon.

2. If the bottom of a crater is lower in altitude than the area surrounding the crater then I would doubt or outrule the opportunity that this specific crater was formed by addition of material, especially if we see any sharp central peaks at the same time. Both features together are rather indication of a subtracting process, I think.

And I would like to know more about the creation of central peaks in craters and even craters inside central peaks in experiments. In general it would be interesting to discuss the relation between craters and central peaks or - the other way around - craters and central pits or troughts. Are they possible in your new scenario as well?

3. Is the new scenario able to explain the chaotic formations seen to the West, East and Northeast of Valles Marineris: Noctis Labyrinthus, Aurorae Chaos and Hydraotes Chaos?
I was quite satisfied with the explanation in Thunderbolts Mars docu at 11:07 min (example of the lightning strike on insulator).

Or could we assume two different processes or a multi-stage process to explain them?
For me many of these chaotic regions look like a force was acting from above and eroding and cutting the blocks from above. Could the new scenarion account for them as well?

4. I think there can not be any doubt that the northern hemisphere suffered from EDM and an lost an awful lot material. And one should never forget the camera's flight in the Mars docu (57:15 to 58:07 min). The northern hemisphere is not lacking craters. There are maybe more than in the south but they are very little and look like produced in an industrial process.
And I would not blaim Venus for all of the debris on Mars or all material used to built-up the Tharsis-Region. I know you did not explicitely say so but we have to keep in mind that whole Mars was probably engulfed in electric discharges of different types.

5. I am not sure if the addition of material by Michael's scenario is really working without any subtraction before or at the same time. I could imagine a very complex process or rather repeated processes with electric erosion (subtraction) and addition of material, maybe at the same time on Mars. The new scenario on the Moon seems to fit the Moon better than Mars in my humble opinion.

I don't know if this is of any help but I hope some people can make some sense of it. And please, excuse my poor English.


In many cases the central area of the crater is lower than the surrounding area. I said in the video the central area might have material removed. It's not one or the other. The central peak might be where the central removal didn't reach the center. Seems simple, not complicated.

Your belief about the northern hemisphere being removed seems like gut feel to me. Even though it is EU dogma. It's soooooo much easier to increase the elevation around craters than to remove the surface of a hemisphere, IMHO.

The map linked below shows elevation nicely.

http://www.dlr.de/mars-express/en/Porta ... sae_ht.jpg

http://www.dlr.de/mars-express/en/deskt ... 16_read-6/
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby Bomb20 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:01 am

It's soooooo much easier to increase the elevation around craters than to remove the surface of a hemisphere


Indeed, this makes your new idea so extremely attractive to me. Nevertheless, the pros and cons must be discussed.

If you look at around 58:00 min in the "Lightning Scarred Planet Mars" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRV1e5_tB6Y then you can see cratering which, IMHO, looks completely like EDM. Nevertheless, the question can be raised if electric erosion did really remove the surface miles deep on the northern hemisphere.

You connected the built-up of material with big craters and related thunderbolts pouring in external material.
Are you able to explain why we can not see many big craters inside the southern bow of the sigmoid around Valles Marineris? I see that neighbouring, lower areas outside this southern bow display more craters. So, they should be higher - or not?
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:12 am

Bomb20 wrote:
It's soooooo much easier to increase the elevation around craters than to remove the surface of a hemisphere


Indeed, this makes your new idea so extremely attractive to me. Nevertheless, the pros and cons must be discussed.

If you look at around 58:00 min in the "Lightning Scarred Planet Mars" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRV1e5_tB6Y then you can see cratering which, IMHO, looks completely like EDM. Nevertheless, the question can be raised if electric erosion did really remove the surface miles deep on the northern hemisphere.

You connected the built-up of material with big craters and related thunderbolts pouring in external material.
Are you able to explain why we can not see many big craters inside the southern bow of the sigmoid around Valles Marineris? I see that neighbouring, lower areas outside this southern bow display more craters. So, they should be higher - or not?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF2LznGvGuA

The link above replicates the southern side of Valles Marineris. I didn't say ONLY craters can add material.

Once EDM became available the EU community saw everything as being ripped out. No addition, ONLY removal. Look at the literature. A wrong turn was made, IMHO! The old hammer nail thing, again, IMHO. This ignores the descriptions of legend.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby The Great Dog » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:24 am

Since the "EU Community" has published articles and videos that refer to ionic deposition, deposits of material from one pole to another on Mars, and other such presentations, the Great Dog views the above comments with suspicion. For example (July 2007):

In a larger view of the south pole, the area surrounding the ice cap is peppered with craters, many of them several kilometers in diameter, most notably, the formation in the upper left that exhibits a dome-shaped central feature within a crater. The dome-shaped feature is unique for its size, but appears to be an exact analog for many images of “blueberries” embedded within a rock matrix. A case for the electrical nature of such formations has been made in past Pictures of the Day and we will return to this topic in future articles.

The south polar deposits on Mars cover an area bigger than the State of Texas – about 430,000 square kilometers. Of particular interest are the dual, swirling arcs that mark the paths of the ridges, buried under the carbon dioxide frost and water-ice deposits visible at both poles. For all intents and purposes, the twin spiral shapes at the Martian poles are representative of the electric dipole effect that has been demonstrated at the poles of both Venus and Saturn. The hardened rock strata, preserving the shapes of two counter-rotating currents indicates that the crust of Mars experienced, and may be continuing to experience, electric forces. As has been noted in a previous Thunderbolts Picture of the Day, the electricity in the Martian environment is what gives rise to the dust storms that form in this region, feeding their huge, spinning flow.

In August of 2003, electrical theorist, Wal Thornhill wrote:

“The abundant circumpolar pits in the south lack the raised rims expected of impacts. They exhibit the alignments of so-called 'secondary crater chains.' There are no such things. All linear arrangements of craters are the result of an arc moving across a surface. Both the pits beneath and the delicate layering are the kinds of things we should expect if the south polar deposit was electrically deposited.”

When electric currents pass through a plasma they are twisted into a helical pattern as the forces attempt to balance themselves within the magnetic turbulence that is created by the interaction. Because Mars lacks a substantial magnetosphere, its surface is almost directly exposed to intense positive charges coming from the sun. At some point in the past the intensity of those forces increased to a titanic level and traveled through the planet from pole-to-pole in a huge electric circuit. That formidable event excavated billions of tons of material from the north polar region, while at the same time layering a similar volume of material on the south pole.


Mel Acheson did discuss machining in 2005:

https://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005 ... icecap.htm

However, along with Stephen Smith, he and Amy Acheson followed Wal Thornhill in presenting electrical deposition as a solid theory:

https://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005 ... osnote.htm

And from 2011:

A foundation of Electric Universe theory is the flow of electricity through space and the catastrophic influence it had on planets and moons in the recent past. Whatever phenomenon it was, within the recorded history of humanity a great cataclysm engulfed the Earth. Canyons were blasted out, mountains raised, ocean basins shifted, and great swathes of plants, animals, and people obliterated in the blink of an eye.

Those enormous energies, the rearrangement of the topography, and the intense radiation make it impossible to assign any measure of antiquity. Repeated and rapid sedimentation that hardened to stone in mere minutes, fossilizing its burden of organic detritus, means that what is visible on the surface might be the same age as what lies beneath.

Stephen Smith

Hat tip to Mel Acheson


The Great Dog suggests that Michael Steinbacher stick to presenting his ideas without the addition of false criticisms. Not only would that bring his commentary up to a higher level, it would help him avoid mistakes.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby The Great Dog » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:54 am

The Great Dog feels compelled to point out that Wal Thornhill presented electrical deposition of sediments in 2001:

The walls of Valles Marineris shows evidence of widespread sedimentary layering on Mars. But such enormous quantities of sediment must have eroded from somewhere and the fact that any ancient highlands are preserved on Mars is difficult to reconcile with such a source. A second major difficulty is that Valles Marineris is near the top of a bulge 10 km above datum. How are sediments deposited at that altitude? It would require the region first being a deep basin to collect a thick stack of sediments (assuming there was copious fast-running surface water), then uplifted an incredible 20 km by a mantle plume and voluminous lava intrusions with little surface volcanism.

How many major premises in geology are wrong? The electrical model provides a far simpler solution never considered before in sedimentation. The material removed electrically from one body in a cosmic discharge is transferred in large part to the other body. That creates widespread surface layering. The airless Moon shows evidence too of extensive layering and it is covered in electrical scars.


And...

The arguments for the electrical sculpting of Valles Marineris apply equally to the Grand Canyon. These major features on two very different planets look so similar for the simple reason that the same forces created them. Water was not involved in the process. Let us note the similarities. The Grand Canyon is on a high plateau. The tributaries are deeply incised, short, and tend to end in rounded alcoves. The tributary canyons of Ius Chasma are strikingly similar to those of the Grand Canyon. The material excavated from the Grand Canyon seems to be missing. On a watery Earth, the Colorado river simply took advantage of the sinuous channel carved by the subsurface cosmic lightning. The edges of the Grand Canyon are sharp and do not show much erosion into the mile deep valleys. That argues for very recent formation. Geologists cannot decipher the history of the Grand Canyon because their training never envisaged electrical erosion as a result of interplanetary thunderbolts. Nor did it teach that thick strata and anomalous deposits can be dumped from space in hours. Interplanetary electrical forces can raise mountains, twist and overturn strata, dump oceans on to land, preserve shattered flora and fauna in the rocks – all in a geological instant.


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