Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Sun May 04, 2014 9:48 am

I now see planets as expanding bodies in many cases. The material for the expansion is comet dust, IMHO. The expansion is external, not internal. I see the comet as Venus, but the agent isn't important.

It appears to me that a giant vortex attracts dusty plasma from a great distance and electroplates the dry surface of interacting bodies. Within the vortex are many vortices creating what i refer to as round mountains with windward on the outside and leeward on the inside. Water prevents accumulation. The circular area in the center of the map below is an example of growth from above.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _types.jpg

At times there seems to be removal of material. The best example of the removal process is Zion National Park in UT. The North to South canyons seem to have been excavated to a depth of 3,000' by an electrical process.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3133097 ... !1e4?hl=en

This concept has caused me to look at Mars with a new approach in mind. It is said by Homer that Athene and Ares did battle 4 times within sight of Earth. Venus might still have been a comet with an ionized dusty tail.

The dark blue area in the map link below is up to minus 9 kilometers deep.

https://www.google.com/mars/#lat=-32.84 ... 125&zoom=2

The reddish craters surrounding the dark blue area seem to be between 3 and 6 kilometers high. That's a difference of 12 to 15 K. Each crater seems to be a round mountain of external dust, again IMHO.

There are areas similar to Zion Park. The map linked below shows canyons/scratches similar to Zion. The canyons go up and down formations.

https://www.google.com/mars/#lat=40.738 ... 792&zoom=5

Valles Marineris seems to also be similar to Zion. It appears that the key to seeing electrical removal is to look for features that aren't dendritic. The irony.

https://www.google.com/mars/#lat=-9.850 ... 588&zoom=5

On the other hand, there appears to be areas on Mars that may be fluvial. The map linked below shows one of them.

https://www.google.com/mars/#lat=15.780 ... 479&zoom=4

It appears the areas drained to the lower North section of mars.

https://www.google.com/mars/#lat=25.986 ... 997&zoom=6

The formation linked below shows a crater that has a drainage leading to another drainage on it's East side.

https://www.google.com/mars/#lat=2.9091 ... 004&zoom=7

I'm proposing that Mars had an ocean. When the planet encountered Venus [if it encountered Venus] it's atmosphere may have been lost. This might cause any water to evaporate very rapidly.

The craters in the northern areas are different than the craters in the South. They have double rings of material in many cases. The northern craters are also much less numerous.

https://www.google.com/mars/#lat=72.157 ... 815&zoom=5

The northern area might have only been zapped after the water departed. The double rings MIGHT be related to wet material being zapped. Or not!

All of this would be consistent with expanding planets. Externally expanding planets thanks to comet dust during electrical interactions.

The geologic column of Earth also points to a cometary explanation. Many trillions of barrels of oil in layers of dolomite and shale/mud. Comet Halley's ingredients would allow for this.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi. ... 012481.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale

Extraterrestrial oil shale[edit]
Some comets contain "massive amounts of an organic material almost identical to high grade oil shale," the equivalent of cubic kilometers of such mixed with other material;[82] for instance, corresponding hydrocarbons were detected in a probe fly-by through the tail of Comet Halley during 1986.[83]

Comet Venus might have had similar components.

To sum up, i see some excavation of material from Earth and Mars during encounters with a large comet. But the majority of the surfaces seem to be from addition, not subtraction. The formations on Earth were shaped by water preventing accumulation. There was sloshing from the equator and a hurricane. On Mars water wasn't such a big factor. But a possible contributor.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby moses » Sun May 04, 2014 6:47 pm

The geologic column of Earth also points to a cometary explanation. Many trillions of barrels of oil in layers of dolomite and shale/mud. Comet Halley's ingredients would allow for this. michael
What the geological column really points to is a massive amount of sediment being deposited fairly quickly. So this material could come from outside Earth or from the Earth's surface. If, where the oceans are now was forest, then the oil could be explained by this forest being ripped apart and transported to where the continents are now. This is perfectly consistent with what you describe except that some areas of the Earth experience strong removal of material whilst other areas gain material.

So now it is just a matter of considering whether comet Halley could do this, or Venus or Mars, or just extreme electrical conditions with unknown cause, and, of course, an intelligent guess at when this occurred. I don't think that you have fairly considered all the possibilities, but rather are trying to fit the data to a preconceived notion.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby 601L1n9FR09 » Wed May 07, 2014 11:12 pm

Hmmm, Rivers are just as likely to fill a canyon and leave deposits as they are to erode. So, a river would flow in an electrically carved canyon and erode away much of the evidence of is electric ancestry, and bury much of it too. I admire your objectivity. I think you are onto something, but I am not much of a demographic.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Thu May 08, 2014 6:59 am

601L1n9FR09 wrote:Hmmm, Rivers are just as likely to fill a canyon and leave deposits as they are to erode. So, a river would flow in an electrically carved canyon and erode away much of the evidence of is electric ancestry, and bury much of it too. I admire your objectivity. I think you are onto something, but I am not much of a demographic.



The link below describes canyons that seem to be electrically produced, at least to my electric eyes.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2780&start=1095#p92813

The map links below shows dendritic drainage patters, IMHO. Every drainage gets smaller as it approaches the high point/ridge.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5129278 ... !1e4?hl=en

If these formations were electrically produced i'd expect them to ignore high points and just blast through the ridges.

If one of the canyons linked below went past the ridge i'd gladly claim electrical removal, like i propose for the area around Zion N Park.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2892194 ... !1e4?hl=en



The link below is from a different thread on this forum. Some of the folks following this thread might find it interesting.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15004&p=95402#p95227

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Sat May 31, 2014 8:04 am

Below is a post from another thread some people following this thread might find interesting.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15004&p=96270#p96270


starbiter wrote:
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This is from the second encounter between Venus and Mars. It sounds very electrical to me. This implies that the surface of Earth was scorched during the Venus Mars events. Could there have been a visible, electrical manifestation between the three bodies? Especially at night. Could this explain Squatter Man and the Axis Mundi.

This would imply people recording what they were experiencing real time with petroglyphs and Egyptian art, not something from thousands of years earlier. On monuments and mountains that didn't exist thousands of years earlier, IMHO.
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Are you saying that the "squatter man" plasma formation created some rocks and mountains, and that the ancients carved the "squatter man" petroglyphs on those exact same rocks? (Note: this may be "off topic" for the "polar formation".)

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Hi Joe,

I'm proposing that the surface of Earth was electrically coated with dust from the air during the events described in Worlds in Collision. This would have been hundreds or thousands of years after the proposed Saturnian System proposed by Dr Velikovsky and others who wrote earlier. The mountains would have grown because of the electrically concentrated dust. The dust could be volcanic, material removed from Earth's surface electrically or comet dust probably from Comet Venus. I think the majority was comet dust, but certainty is difficult.

After the mountain making period the planet might require re-population. Probably not enough people survived to account for the huge number of petroglyphs around the world.

By the time Venus and Mars do battle four times, if they do battle as described by Homer, there might be enough people hiding in the hills to explain the petroglyphs. Earth is described as being affected during the Venus/Mars events. People would take shelter under cliffs or in caves. Pyramids would be well suited for shelters, and would have been under construction while Venus/Mars events transpired in some chronologies.

This is not to deny that a polar configuration during a proposed Saturnian System is possible. Shoemaker Levy 9 and Herbig Haro objects make such an alignment possible, but in my opinion still unlikely. Especially if mountains grew during catastrophes that followed the Saturn period. These new mountains provided a canvas for frightened people witnessing a cosmic battle between Ares and Athene, IMHO


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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:45 pm

On a different thread there is a discussion concerning the Richat Structure. The link below has a colorful description. It might be accurate.

http://basementgeographer.com/the-richa ... he-sahara/

"From above, it looks like a giant bullseye, an ammonite shell, or perhaps a cross-section of a giant jawbreaker candy. This 40-50 km (25-30 mi) in diameter series of concentric circles is known as the Richat Structure. It’s not manmade. It’s not the site of an ancient meteor crater, as many people originally postulated. These concentric circles are actually alternating layers of sedimentary, metamorphic, and igneous rocks that were pushed upward in a symmetrical anticline, geologic dome, a fractureless upwarping of rock strata from below due to a small incursion of magma. The Richat dome happened to be pushed upward in a rather neat circle thanks to lithospheric weakness during the final separation of West Africa from South America around 100 million years ago. Over time, the top of the dome was eroded away, exposed the pushed-up inner layers of the dome and producing the current circular formation.

As one gets closer to the centre of the Richat Structure, the older the rock layers become (these are the layers located at the bottom of the original dome). The sedimentary rock layers are more easily eroded, while the layers of metamorphic rocks like quartzite and igneous rocks such as rhyolites, gabbros, carbonatites and kimberlites are more resistant, leading to the formation of small escarpments and cliffs around the edges of the volcanic rock rings, and rocky, brecciaed terrain as opposed to the surrounding desert sands. 32 different volcanic dikes and sills have been identified throughout the structure; these are the places where underlying magma was actually able to break through the overlying rock. At the centre, or ‘bullseye’, of the formation lies a limestone-dolomite shelf that encloses a 3 km-diameter breccia (as well as some huts that serve as a sort of hotel for curious outsiders)."

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A three mile shelf of limestone and dolomite in the center suggests an electrical component. Possibly the center on a diocotron instability. Counter rotating rings of ions and electrons. In this case the air might have been choked with dust. The carbonate center implies comet dust.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi. ... 012481.pdf

http://www.eu-geology.com/?page_id=107

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:08 am

The area W of Richat Structure shown on the map linked below seems to be flat basalt.

https://www.google.com/maps/@21.1971673 ... !1e3?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@21.2457199 ... !1e3?hl=en

The canyons don't get smaller as they go up.

It appears to me the canyon was removed by something other than hydrology. The missing material seems to have been removed by an electrical event moving from S to N. Similar to Zion Canyon in UT.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2067318 ... !1e4?hl=en

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:54 am

starbiter wrote:The area W of Richat Structure shown on the map linked below seems to be flat basalt.

https://www.google.com/maps/@21.1971673 ... !1e3?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@21.2457199 ... !1e3?hl=en

The canyons don't get smaller as they go up.

It appears to me the canyon was removed by something other than hydrology. The missing material seems to have been removed by an electrical event moving from S to N. Similar to Zion Canyon in UT.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2067318 ... !1e4?hl=en

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In my last post i thought the vertical formation in the center of the map linked below was a canyon.

https://www.google.com/maps/@21.1198242 ... !1e4?hl=en

When viewed with terrain it's obviously a plateau. The Canyon is to the E.

https://www.google.com/maps/@21.1198242 ... !1e4?hl=en

If the canyon was removed electrically the current would have been from the N.

https://www.google.com/maps/@21.1784557 ... !1e4?hl=en

The patterns don't seem fluvial.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:51 am

Two years ago i spent the Summer in Fraser CO. Fraser is part of the headwaters for the Colorado River. The valleys associated with the headwaters are full of sediment. On the map linked below Fraser is shown as the Rocky Mountain Chalet.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8767287 ... !1e4?hl=en

While looking at Google Maps Terrain i noticed a distinct difference between the West and East sides of the mountains. The West side is smooth, like a water ski ramp. The East side has a cliff, often with a cap rock on the top. I remember thinking at the time that some day i might understand the difference between E and W. Slowly the fog has cleared, at least in my deluded mind. The West side of the mountains point to the direction of the wind during a period of mountain building. The valleys would have been flooded by a hurricane and a flood/slosh from the equator. The hurricane winds would be coating the windward side of obstructions with dust from erupting volcanoes, dust from canyons being electrically excavated like Zion, and comet dust.

The linked map shows the end of the process. The top! Formations beneath the top layer shown on the map can exhibit different trending patterns in some cases.

I'm now staying in Wildernest CO, shown on the linked map below.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6181699 ... !1e4?hl=en

The area seems to be obvious sediment, about 1,000 above the valley. Please zoom out for perspective. The Blue River running through Silverthorne to the E drains to the N, eventually flowing to the Colorado River.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6181699 ... !1e4?hl=en

The entire valley might have been filled with sediment at the end of a flood/slosh. This model is based on a reversal of Earth's rotation causing a rush of water and sediment from the equator to the N and S. When/if the Earth began to rotate in the opposite direction the brief inland sea would be pulled back to the equator. As the waters sank below the level of land there would be a raging flood the width of the valley rushing to the ocean. It appears to have removed the fresh soft sediment in the middle of the valley. Wildernest seems to have been protected from the reverse flood leaving behind 1,000 feet of sediment.

The flood would have rushed N through what is now Silverthorne. There is now a dam taking advantage of the past catastrophic event.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6263017 ... !1e4?hl=en

If my general premise is correct it shows the airborne dust causing mountain formation was coincident with a flood.But not a seasonal flood. A seasonal flood couldn't possibly fill the valley to over 1,000 feet. The waters would actually need to be higher than the slosh left behind. If the valley had been dry the airborne dust would have accumulated in the valley creating hogback formations, not slosh.

I've been waiting to photograph the ridges but they are still snow covered. As the snow melts images will follow.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:14 pm

The image below is part of the Gore Range in CO. The tops of the formations are leeward, IMO.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... pndGs/edit

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... haZWs/edit A tighter shot from the same angle.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6611617 ... !1e4?hl=en I'm looking NW from Silverthorne.

http://www.thegeozone.com/treasure/colo ... co009b.jsp This link describes the formation.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/1162d/report.pdf This link describes the formation just to the S. The N end of the mountain trends to the NNW. The material is metamorphosed sediment.

The image linked below is windward, IMO.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... xud28/edit

I'm looking from the left side of the map below towards the E.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7218912 ... !1e4?hl=en

This pattern repeats itself. Windward is often to the N to NW to W. Leeward is often to the S to SE to E. There are exceptions.

The map below shows the valleys in green and the mountain tops in grey.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4850312 ... !1e4?hl=en

I believe the flood reached the top of the green areas. Vegetation seems to like slosh. The material that rained down from above while the valleys were flooded doesn't promote vegetation.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:41 pm

I was in Chile and Argentina recently looking at rocks. It appears the SW USA, Chile and Argentina were created in a similar manner. Mountains growing from airborne dust, gravel, rocks and boulders while surrounded by a flood.

The Map linked below shows the customs area in Argentina just below the pass, E of Chile. The view is to the S.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-32.797439 ... !1e4?hl=en

The photograph linked below is taken from the customs area looking SW [45 degrees to the right].

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... V3U3c/edit

The material seems to be welded tuff. The wind would have been from the WNW. There is a volcano about 80 miles to the S. But the area around the customs station doesn't have a caldera. If You switch the map linked below to terrain and zoom out You can see for yourself.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-32.813477 ... !1e4?hl=en

Unfortunately the mountains were snow covered. But it still appears windward is to the right, or NW. There are flat areas facing NW. The cliffs face southeast implying leeward.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... V4TFk/edit

The camera is looking W from Hwy 40 on the map below.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.761349 ... !1e4?hl=en

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:08 am

West of the city of San Rafael, Argentina is a large gorge. Rivers flowing E from the Andes fill the gorge. There are volcanoes and cinder cones in the neighborhood.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.629946 ... !1e4?hl=en

The image linked below shows a thick cap rock on the top of the formation. Below the cap rock are formations trending to the right/W.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... 0wWkk/edit

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... 9xdTA/edit

Further W there are formations of tuff topped with what appears to be welded tuff.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... d4ZWs/edit

Further west still a sign proclaims the area is a volcano that the river choose to erode through.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... 9SZXc/edit

There were very pushy pan handlers that wouldn't take no for an answer.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... ZPVDg/edit

My guess is that there were welded tuff formations that were sloshed over. The slosh might have created flat surfaces that were then covered by molten dust creating the flat cap rock on the upper formation.

Water in the drainage would have prevented the cap rock on the top of the formation from accumulating, by washing away the red hot dust. The red hot airborne dust might have been hot enough to form flat surfaces instead of vertical welded tuff formations. The molten cap rock on the top of the formation doesn't seem to be the result of a flow.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:31 pm

Just W of the small town of Red Cliff, CO Hwy 24 passes over the Eagle river. This is where the Hwy travels S to N.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5071967 ... !1e4?hl=en

In the images linked below the camera looks E, from W of the bridge.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... dJaWc/edit

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... s2cDQ/edit

The images below look N, from S of the bridge.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... J1TlU/edit

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... 9PT00/edit

The material above the bridge is quartzite, medium to high grade metamorphic rock. It trends to the N, as do many of the formations in the area. I see a wind from the N being responsible for the deposition. Geologists see a beach, which is later folded.

http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/eens111 ... orphic.htm

"Quartzite - A rock made up almost entirely of quartz. They are formed by metamorphism of quartz arenites (sandstones). Since quartz is stable over a large range of temperatures and pressures, no new minerals are formed during metamorphism, and the only metamorphic effect that occurs is recrystallization of the quartz resulting in interlocking crystals that make up a very hard rock."

me again,

I asked local geologists how the pure sand became metamorphosed. One thought the sand might have been covered with many miles of earth, then the process reversed leaving what we see today.

Another more confident geologist pointed out the rock below the bridge, on the left side of the bridge, in the images above. This he claimed to be granite. His model has the granite bubbling up from below the sand, heating and compressing the material.

"Contact Metamorphism (also called thermal metamorphism) - Occurs adjacent to igneous intrusions and results from high temperatures associated with the igneous intrusion. Since only a small area surrounding the intrusion is heated by the magma, metamorphism is restricted to a zone surrounding the intrusion, called a metamorphic aureole. Outside of the contact aureole, the rocks are unmetamorphosed. The grade of metamorphism increases in all directions toward the intrusion. Because temperature differences between the surrounding rock and the intruded magma are larger at shallow levels in the crust, contact metamorphism is usually referred to as high temperature, low pressure metamorphism. The rock produced is often a fine-grained rock that shows no foliation, called a hornfels."

Me again.

East of Minturn to the N there are cliffs of quartzite E of town.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5848981 ... !1e4?hl=en

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... lJQk0/edit

I doubt if hot granite heated and squeezed these formations into quartzite. The formation seems evenly metamorphosed. I don't blame geologists for being creative in this way. Their tool kit doesn't contain electricity.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:12 am

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=v ... SoyASl84Iw

The formations shown in the above link are Vestal and Arrow peaks in Colorado, just S of Silverton. The rock is quartzite, high grade metamorphic rock. Layers of pure sand laid down as horizontal sediment. Then according to local geologists the silicon dioxide layers had to be covered with at least 20 miles of material. Then the covering material had to go away. Somewhere along the way the quartzite folded into the shapes in the photographs.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6941027 ... !1e4?hl=en

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=quartzite

The local geologist didn't think there was a fault available to metamorphose the rock without extreme burial.

I picture a process similar to welded tuff. The image below would have the wind from the left, building layer after layer. An electrical explanation for the metamorphic process would never be considered by geologists. I think i'm the only person on the planet that's proposing in situ electrical metamorphic rock.

http://www.silvertonstandard.com/system ... 0peaks.jpg

The top of the formation on the left is quite vertical. It reminds me of road cuts that have vertical layers. The road cut linked below is West of Los Alamos.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... =drive_web

This formation above might be the top of something similar to Vestal and Arrow peaks.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:29 am

I think i'm the only person on the planet that's proposing in situ electrical metamorphic rock.


Why do you think that? Don't my pebbles, cobbles and rounded boulders all fit that description too? Not just inductive heating to produce the igneous stuff, but electro-magnetic pulse shocking to create the supposedly deep metamorphic rock types.
In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller
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