Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:15 pm

I've been searching for many years to find a canyon ripped out by an electric discharge. I assumed this would be easy. I've read all the TPODs. But the canyons i studied seemed to be fluvial. As the canyons get close to the ridge [high point] they get smaller, then stop. On the other side of the ridge a new small canyon begins, then gets larger. This process seems to be water driven. The map below shows the pattern clearly, at least to me.

http://goo.gl/maps/q5nss

An electric process should look more like the link below showing the lunar surface.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... aeus-1.jpg

There are on Earth canyons that don't seem fluvial, i'm pleased to report.

The NNE to SSE canyons linked below seem electrical.

http://goo.gl/maps/4OEGm

The Navajo sandstone formations seem scratched, and shrink wrapped.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... g5RDA/edit

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... BVZTQ/edit

Other areas seem to have the sides of the valleys removed.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... tKc2M/edit

West of Zion park is Snow Canyon. The straight canyons here are similar to Zion.

http://goo.gl/maps/M1kFx

The image linked below looks N to the end of the canyon.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... dBa1U/edit

The image linked below looks S from the ridge.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... 9ReU0/edit

The map linked below shows the ridge to the N.

http://goo.gl/maps/tN8AX

The next map shows that the ridge drains to the N.

http://goo.gl/maps/69j6Q

No water enters the canyon from the N. There is no water available to erode the canyon. If not for electricity the canyon should look like the drainage going N from the ridge.

This area might help identify other areas morphed by electric discharge.

Below link looks N.

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=U ... 2,72.268,0

Link below looks S.

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=U ... 1,71.178,0

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby seasmith » Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:52 pm

michael, couldn't open any of your docs.google images (with an iMac). A google error message said something about "permission" ??
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:06 pm

Bummer Seasmith,

I've made the images available to anyone with the link. Can't be too much broader than that.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby seasmith » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:10 am

Bummer Seasmith,

I've made the images available to anyone with the link. Can't be too much broader than that.

Any suggestions?



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Bum Starbiter,

No worries, sorted it out on the windows machine. Apparently if not logged on to google, one must click on the little arrow on the left of the screenand "download the current version".

btw, I saw that cliff-face in your first image ( #9987) a year or so ago. It was originally a series of intersecting and stacked sand dunes befor becoming lithified;
and near vertical shear is normal for soft sandstone in areas of dramatic uplift, which the Mount Zion up-thrust clearly is.
Thanks for posting the nice pics.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:46 am

Hi Seasmith,

Glad You can see the images.

I don't believe the canyons of Zion have anything to do with uplift. The canyons seem to be the result of electrical removal, at least to my electrical eyes.

The Snow Canyon canyons are easier to see. The canyon going North from the ridge gets the exact same amount of rain as the the massive canyon going South. They should look the same.

http://goo.gl/maps/AW6HP

Only an electrical event could do what i see there, IMHO.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby seasmith » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:09 am

I don't believe the canyons of Zion have anything to do with uplift.


Note on this USGS SWUSA map how Redrock and Zion are continuations of orogonies that range the whole length of Utah, up to the Unitas, where the faults surrounding the whole San Rafael Swell begin breaking east-west:

http://pubs.usgs.gov/pp/pp1703/

http://www.utahwild.com/resources/maps/ ... _map.phtml


The canyons seem to be the result of electrical removal..


The Mt Zion complex is now conveniently drained by he Virgin River system, but even where transverse/horizontal faulting has orphaned a number of logical tributaries, the entire area still eventually drains toward the Colorado Basin.

That the origin of the local orogeny is connected with some past 'Thunderbird' type celestial plasmic charge event, i wouldn't doubt in the least…

as on old Hopi once said:
Navel gazers miss the beauty of belly and breast.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:39 am

seasmith wrote:
I don't believe the canyons of Zion have anything to do with uplift.


Note on this USGS SWUSA map how Redrock and Zion are continuations of orogonies that range the whole length of Utah, up to the Unitas, where the faults surrounding the whole San Rafael Swell begin breaking east-west:

http://pubs.usgs.gov/pp/pp1703/

http://www.utahwild.com/resources/maps/ ... _map.phtml


The canyons seem to be the result of electrical removal..


The Mt Zion complex is now conveniently drained by he Virgin River system, but even where transverse/horizontal faulting has orphaned a number of logical tributaries, the entire area still eventually drains toward the Colorado Basin.

That the origin of the local orogeny is connected with some past 'Thunderbird' type celestial plasmic charge event, i wouldn't doubt in the least…

as on old Hopi once said:
Navel gazers miss the beauty of belly and breast.
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I can give You my two cents worth concerning the formation of Zion, Kolob Zion and Snow Canyon.

It appears things started with a flood of red dirt, the Kayenta Formation. This is covered by the Navajo dunes. I believe these to be created by the welded tuff process. The Navajo is covered by the Temple Cap formation. The Carmel portion of the Temple Cap is slosh. The whole area seems to have been sloshed during the change in rotation of the Earth. This would be according to the Worlds in Collision scenario.

The flat area on the map below still has the Carmel slosh.

http://goo.gl/maps/DBhHE

The tops of the Navajo formations in the park still have the Carmel layer. All of the valleys might have been filled in with slosh. It appears the Navajo formations were more resistant to electrical removal then the Carmel slosh.

The link below shows the rock layers at the bottom of the page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zion_National_Park

The map below shows Kolob Canyon.

http://goo.gl/maps/s407b

The image below looks North from the bottom of the map above.

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=3 ... o-74205145

The flatness implies sloshing to me. Then an electrical event removed most of the slosh. It also scratched and compressed and removed some of the Navajo Sandstone. This would have happened within the last 10,000 to 3,500 years. No time for uplift, folding or faulting. And Snow Canyon shows there isn't water available to do the eroding.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby seasmith » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:05 pm

This would have happened within the last 10,000 to 3,500 years. No time for uplift, folding or faulting. And Snow Canyon shows there isn't water available to do the eroding.



That's Plenty of time for (planetary?) encounter induced radical uplift. (For mechanics, have you been following member Dahlenaz's long-time work ?)
The very name "Snow Canyon" implies that, in a colder time, there could have been Plenty of water.
The Canyon Lands terrains for several hundred miles around there just shout it, when one gets out there and does some trekking.
But i could be all wet ...
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:19 pm

seasmith wrote:
This would have happened within the last 10,000 to 3,500 years. No time for uplift, folding or faulting. And Snow Canyon shows there isn't water available to do the eroding.



That's Plenty of time for (planetary?) encounter induced radical uplift. (For mechanics, have you been following member Dahlenaz's long-time work ?)
The very name "Snow Canyon" implies that, in a colder time, there could have been Plenty of water.
The Canyon Lands terrains for several hundred miles around there just shout it, when one gets out there and does some trekking.
But i could be all wet ...



Let's try to deal with Your 3 points above Seasmith.

If the "folding/uplift" events happened within the last 10,000 years there wouldn't be time for erosion to produce what's in the field. The Virgin Gorge in AZ is a fine example.


http://goo.gl/maps/T1sY2

The West end is about 2,000 feet. It consists of layers of dolomite and limestone trending to the West. The dolomite and limestone rise up to over 4,000 feet in the East. Supposedly the carbonates folded up in the East. That would also raise the East portion of the river to over 4,000 feet in the East where it enters the gorge. This would create a lake that would then need to erode the nice smooth river we see today. There aren't any
waterfalls, just a few rapids.

The area in the map linked below is carbonate. Zoom out for perspective.

http://goo.gl/maps/3Wvyi

http://www.geology.byu.edu/wp-content/u ... /Steed.pdf

The dolomite is also a problem because it doesn't accumulate on the bottom of oceans. But it is available as comet dust.

http://earth.geology.yale.edu/~ajs/1999 ... vidson.pdf


http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi. ... 010014.pdf

My position is that the river was already there. The land around the river was dry. Comet dust accumulated in a welded tuff like process while the wind was from the West.

A "recent hard boiled egg like process" would need to erode well over 2,000 feet of dolomite to create the fairly smooth river. And it would need to erode material without an earthly explanation.

Concerning Snow Canyon, if there was a flood it wouldn't explain the canyon. Any water at the far North end of the canyon would flow North. And if the process was fluvial the small canyon going North from the rim should be the same depth as Snow Canyon.

http://goo.gl/maps/J2pEm

Concerning Canyonlands, the entire area IS fluvial. The Colorado River and Green River flow around and through the formations. This has NOTHING to do with Snow Canyon.

It seems that no matter what i present on this thread You say no, no,no! Geology can't be catastrophic, unless it's a hard boiled egg process. It can't be based on eyewitness accounts during the world wide plague of darkness, as described in Worlds in Collision.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby seasmith » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:31 pm

starbiter wrote:


My position is that the river was already there


Agreed


If the "folding/uplift" events happened within the last 10,000 years there wouldn't be time for erosion to produce what's in the field


I never mentioned "folding" or "flood", but would tend to stretch the timeline back to 18-22 kya, corresponding to the growing body of evidence indicating human migrations all around the world.

Any water at the far North end of the canyon would flow North


Radical uplift will naturally change directions of drainage, as evidenced many, many places in the US SW.


It seems that no matter what i present on this thread You say no, no,no! Geology can't be catastrophic


You're battling ghosts again. In both of my above posts, I've cited the LIKELY possibility (imo)
of catastrophic plasma/charge events and celestial origins.

Have no idea what "A "recent hard boiled egg like process" is.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:47 pm

seasmith wrote:starbiter wrote:


My position is that the river was already there


Agreed


If the "folding/uplift" events happened within the last 10,000 years there wouldn't be time for erosion to produce what's in the field


I never mentioned "folding" or "flood", but would tend to stretch the timeline back to 18-22 kya, corresponding to the growing body of evidence indicating human migrations all around the world.

Any water at the far North end of the canyon would flow North


Radical uplift will naturally change directions of drainage, as evidenced many, many places in the US SW.


It seems that no matter what i present on this thread You say no, no,no! Geology can't be catastrophic


You're battling ghosts again. In both of my above posts, I've cited the LIKELY possibility (imo)
of catastrophic plasma/charge events and celestial origins.

Have no idea what "A "recent hard boiled egg like process" is.



Seasmith, You ask me to read Dahlenaz, but apparently You haven't read Dahlenaz. His theory involves hard boiled eggs. I assume the egg process was recent.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby seasmith » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:18 pm

Seasmith, You ask me to read Dahlenaz, but apparently You haven't read Dahlenaz. His theory involves hard boiled eggs. I assume the egg process was recent.

michael



Yes Michael, I've read and understand his example of (one way) that mountain building may be initiated.
What has that got to do with the Mount Zion area we were discussing ??
What is the "knuckle" you are proposing ?

And isn't the liquid "sloshing" that you are advocating, external, while the 'knuckle and eggshell' model have the liquid
Beneath the crustal shell ? ;)
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:33 pm

Below is a link for my paper at the upcoming EU conference.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... hNMDQ/edit

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:24 pm

Hi Michael, just had a quick look at your document so far, and I just happened to also be looking at this page about the Midcontinent rift, which I was not familiar with. I think you know how I think it formed, but wondered how or if it fits into your model. Also, on the first image with the sedimentary rocks in yellow, I am seeing a 'flow' of something, extending from the Gulf of St.Lawrence, to the great lakes, and then up the line of lakes through Canada/NWT up to the Beaufort Sea. The great lakes and the ones lined up reaching to the Beafort are all glacial excavations according to the standard model, what's your line there?

The Midcontinent rift:
Image

Abstract

The scenic North Shore of Lake Superior is home to evidence of a once active geological past. Due to a magma plume in the mantle, a rift developed and threatened the cohesiveness of Proterozoic North America. The rifting process would eventually fail, leaving Laurentia whole. The rift would be appropriately named the Midcontinent Rift or the Keweenawan Rift after the Keweenawa Pennisula in Michigan. Besides the volcanic rock along North Shore, the Midcontinent Rift would leave little surficial evidence. It was not until the mid-1900s when magnetic gravity mapping would show the scar of ancient rifting. Since the mid-1900s, scientists have been working to unlock the secrets of the failed rift.


http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/st ... site1.html

I see allynh also wrote a post about the rift:
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:44 pm

GaryN wrote:Hi Michael, just had a quick look at your document so far, and I just happened to also be looking at this page about the Midcontinent rift, which I was not familiar with. I think you know how I think it formed, but wondered how or if it fits into your model. Also, on the first image with the sedimentary rocks in yellow, I am seeing a 'flow' of something, extending from the Gulf of St.Lawrence, to the great lakes, and then up the line of lakes through Canada/NWT up to the Beaufort Sea. The great lakes and the ones lined up reaching to the Beafort are all glacial excavations according to the standard model, what's your line there?

The Midcontinent rift:
Image

Abstract

The scenic North Shore of Lake Superior is home to evidence of a once active geological past. Due to a magma plume in the mantle, a rift developed and threatened the cohesiveness of Proterozoic North America. The rifting process would eventually fail, leaving Laurentia whole. The rift would be appropriately named the Midcontinent Rift or the Keweenawan Rift after the Keweenawa Pennisula in Michigan. Besides the volcanic rock along North Shore, the Midcontinent Rift would leave little surficial evidence. It was not until the mid-1900s when magnetic gravity mapping would show the scar of ancient rifting. Since the mid-1900s, scientists have been working to unlock the secrets of the failed rift.


http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/st ... site1.html

I see allynh also wrote a post about the rift:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1184&p=55875&sid=f663edd1ed032aaf3a1f734246eec976#p55539[/quot

Hi Gary,

The basalt part of the Midcontinent Rift might well have a non volcanic explanation. Or the electrical events i envision might have caused volcanoes. Either way electricity might be involved.

The lakes surrounding the Canadian Shield could also be associated with an electrical event causing the metamorphic rock deposits. That's my prejudiced EU opinion.

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