Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

[Beata-at-home]

Michael,

Could you please tell me how your theory of mountain formation coinsides with earth scarring and the work of D. Cardona and what he says about earth scarring patterns? In his latest book, he describes the direction of scarring over the N. American continent. He said it is also apparent in other continents, worldwide. From what I understood, the scarring makes very large circular patterns. I also wonder if the scarring and mountain building could have taken place during the tilting of the earth, as a result of a greater force which was perhaps changing the angle of the earth's axis relative to the sun.

I really would like to see a simplified map of the scarring worldwide, also with the patterns you see in mountains which may have been formed by electrical action. Perhaps there is an unmistakable pattern that can show how the earth was moved or tilted by electrical force.??? But sometimes the rotation of the earth has to be taken into account, if the electrical interaction was very large or long lasting. That would make the patterns more complex.

This is all new to me, and it will take a while for me to read through all the posts related to mountain building and earth scarring.

[starbiter]

Michael,

Could you please tell me how your theory of mountain formation coinsides with earth scarring and the work of D. Cardona and what he says about earth scarring patterns? In his latest book, he describes the direction of scarring over the N. American continent. He said it is also apparent in other continents, worldwide. From what I understood, the scarring makes very large circular patterns. I also wonder if the scarring and mountain building could have taken place during the tilting of the earth, as a result of a greater force which was perhaps changing the angle of the earth's axis relative to the sun.

I really would like to see a simplified map of the scarring worldwide, also with the patterns you see in mountains which may have been formed by electrical action. Perhaps there is an unmistakable pattern that can show how the earth was moved or tilted by electrical force.??? But sometimes the rotation of the earth has to be taken into account, if the electrical interaction was very large or long lasting. That would make the patterns more complex.



This is all new to me, and it will take a while for me to read through all the posts related to mountain building and earth scarring.

Hello Beata,

I think most of the rocks we see on the surface of our planet were produced electrically. Some of the basalt was produced by volcanoes, but even this is electrical in nature, IMHO. In the SW USA most of the basalt and other rocks seem to have spiraled into massive high energy vortex events. Red-hot molten dust, gravel, rocks, and boulders feel from above. It appears electrical currents flowed across the surface of Earth melting material even more, especially in canyons. I explained my ideas to Dwardu and he told me i was wrong. He seems to see volcanism where i see molten dust from a plasma vortex. At least that's my impression of Dwardu's position. The andesite used as an anchor for Hoover Dam was the formation being discussed.

My post on Feb 9th of the this year [1 page back] gets into some of these issues. www.EU-geology.com also has information.

http://www.eu-geology.com/wp-content/up ... vortex.pdf My paper from EU-2013

michael steinbacher

[Beata-at-home]

Thank you for your answer, Michael.

I suppose that the electrical activity you are imagining could have induced volcanic action at the same time, perhaps even in other areas.

Yesterday I was visiting our local park and noticed strange patterns on the boulders there. I had thought that some of them were carved by machine, but on closer look, the same neat pattern repeats even on smaller outcrops and not to the same intensity. The pattern is like the lichtenburg. Other boulders with these have very different, rough texture that looks like the rock had been soft mud filled with small debris that was blown into small waves and instantly solidified into stone. I will try to send photos of these soom if you want to see them. I did not have a camera with me that day. After you see them, you may be able to give me your best guess as to how they were made.

[starbiter]

Thank you for your answer, Michael.

I suppose that the electrical activity you are imagining could have induced volcanic action at the same time, perhaps even in other areas.

Yesterday I was visiting our local park and noticed strange patterns on the boulders there. I had thought that some of them were carved by machine, but on closer look, the same neat pattern repeats even on smaller outcrops and not to the same intensity. The pattern is like the lichtenburg. Other boulders with these have very different, rough texture that looks like the rock had been soft mud filled with small debris that was blown into small waves and instantly solidified into stone. I will try to send photos of these soom if you want to see them. I did not have a camera with me that day. After you see them, you may be able to give me your best guess as to how they were made.

Hi Beata,

I assume most of the actual volcanoes we see were created during the recent catastrophes. Some still erupt occasionally. I've driven through a few actual volcanoes and the look is distinctive. In Mexico the basalt flows down the sides from the top. What i see surrounding Four Corners is nothing like that. The volcanoes are always missing.

michael

[GaryN]

The volcanoes are always missing.

It's the same around here Michael.

I must say that I have been quite disappointed with my attempts to get anyone interested in what I have obseved around here, and one potential publisher I have had discussions with, who himself seemed open to the ideas, told me "You'll sell maybe half a dozen books, nobody is intersted in geology, it's the most boring subject 'on Earth'" Even a couple of authors of geology books I have had from the library say the same thing. So how to get the word out? I think I may have an answer, and I think I could find enough material to create a full book, not only on geology, just from the material found on the TB forums! Just need a catchy title.
http://www.google.com/search?q=uncle+jo ... 80&bih=916

[allynh]

So how to get the word out?

GaryN, check out CreateSpace as a way to Indie publish any book you are working on.

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CreateSpace
https://www.createspace.com/

If you do all of the work, it is very little cost to get it into the system. Here is the main page, just click on the tabs to look at what the requirements are.

https://www.createspace.com/Products/Book/

You probably already have most of the software to produce the books: interior, covers, etc... Anything you don't have is available for free or for a few bucks.

This is the YouTube channel with videos describing the process.
https://www.youtube.com/user/CreateSpac ... eos?view=0

They use Print on Demand(POD) to create the books when ordered rather than sitting in a warehouse or your garage. Here are some videos of the type of machine.

The Espresso Book Machine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q946sfGLxm4

EBM Version 2.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDe_Jy4HnMY

Xerox_Espresso_Book_Machine_Revolutionizes_Publishing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDxvqDKWF1A

The book can sit in the system for decades, selling just a bit, and it doesn't go out of print.

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[starbiter]

There was an earlier post on this thread concerning a formation above the town of Whitewater, CA. It was proposed that electricity externally transformed sediments into weathered granite. The image below shows the area. The tan canyon on the right is sediment trending to the left. The grey canyon on the left shows the same trending pattern. It appears to also be sediments.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... =drive_web

According to a gentleman who is about to receive his masters in geology, the grey canyon isn't weathered granite. Instead it's high grade metamorphic rock.

http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/eens111 ... orphic.htm

It would be quite a miracle for one canyon to be high grade metamorphic while a nearby canyon is common sedimentary dirt and rock. It appears to me that a river of plasma flowed through the grey canyon heating and squeezing the material into high grade metamorphic material.

A bit of the reddish material can be seen in the image below. The grey rock is high grade metamorphic. It appears to me that the process that converted the sediments was external.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... =drive_web

The below image looks like someone took a blow torch to the material.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... =drive_web

The next image shows foliation common with the metamorphic process.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... =drive_web

michael

[starbiter]

The image linked below shows a road cut along the feather river. Not all of the exposed surface is road cut from my observation.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... =drive_web If You click file and open the image zooming is possible.


The location below,

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=U ... 07639&z=17

http://goo.gl/maps/eXSzw

The image below shows the dark area in the center of the formation. It appears to be metamorphic.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... =drive_web

I suspect the process was external as plasma flowed up the river, as described in legend. The quote below is from Worlds in Collision quoting Homer.

"Hera spread a thick mist. The river "rushed with surging flood, and roused all his streams tumultuously." Even the ocean was inspired with "fear of the lightning of great Zeus and his dread thunder, when so it crasheth from heaven." Then rushed into the battle a"wondrous blazing fire. First on the plain was the fire kindled, and burned the dead . . . and all the plain was parched." Then to the river turned the gleaming flame. "Tormented were the eels and the fish in the eddies, and in the fair streams they plunged this way and that. . . . The fair streams seethed and boiled." Nor had the river "any mind to flow onward, but was stayed,"unable to protect Troy.Upon the gods "fell strife heavy and grievous." "Together then they clashed with a mighty din,and the wide earth rang, and round about great heaven pealed as with a trumpet. . . . Zeus—the heart within him laughed aloud in joy as he beheld the gods joining in strife."Ares . . . began the fray, and first leapt upon Athene, brazen spear in hand, and spake a word of reviling: "Wherefore now again, thou dog-fly, art thou making gods to clash with gods in strife .. . ? Rememberest thou not what time . . . thyself in sight of all didst grasp the spear and let drive straight at me, and didst rend my fair flesh?"This second encounter between Ares and Athene was also lost by Ares.He [Ares] smote upon her tasselled aegis. . . . Thereon bloodstained Ares smote with his long spear. But she gave ground, and seized with her stout hand a stone that lay upon the plain, black and jagged and great. . . . Therewith she smote furious Ares on the neck, and loosed his limbs. ."

Me again,

This description is when Mars and Venus do battle, with Earth as a charred spectator.

When traveling through canyons it often appears something very hot traveled up the canyon, heating the surface. When the canyon turns, as in this case, the process seems more intense. If the canyon narrows the process also intensifies. It now appears the result is metamorphic rock produced from sediment in some cases.

michael

[promethean]

When traveling through canyons it often appears something very hot traveled up the canyon, heating the surface. When the canyon turns, as in this case, the process seems more intense. If the canyon narrows the process also intensifies. It now appears the result is metamorphic rock produced from sediment in some cases.

michael

Thank you,Michael,another puzzle piece in place !
I live in Boulder County Colorado and travel up Boulder Canyon regularly .
Astonishing geological features that appear to be "melted mountains"
that solidified in the course of their flowing movement downhill...
not to mention the vast amount of disappeared material that cannot be
attributed to erosion due to the very fresh rock faces on every turn.
The "young" Rocky Mountains defy uniformitarian geology !

[starbiter]

When traveling through canyons it often appears something very hot traveled up the canyon, heating the surface. When the canyon turns, as in this case, the process seems more intense. If the canyon narrows the process also intensifies. It now appears the result is metamorphic rock produced from sediment in some cases.

michael

Thank you,Michael,another puzzle piece in place !
I live in Boulder County Colorado and travel up Boulder Canyon regularly .
Astonishing geological features that appear to be "melted mountains"
that solidified in the course of their flowing movement downhill...
not to mention the vast amount of disappeared material that cannot be
attributed to erosion due to the very fresh rock faces on every turn.
The "young" Rocky Mountains defy uniformitarian geology !

Hi Promethean,

While driving up Clear Creek Canyon, West of Golden, CO i noticed the canyon had no sediment.

http://goo.gl/maps/G31WW


It appears Boulder Canyon also has a stream at its bottom with very little sediment.

http://goo.gl/maps/z9GhB

It might be that the Mississippi Basin didn't have enough pressure to inject sediment into the East facing canyons. The valleys just over the Continental Divide to the West are full of sediment. These canyons connect to the Rio Grande, Arkansas, and Colorado River basins. If an equatorial flood rushed North the mountains surrounding the drainages would confine the flood. This might account for the miles deep sediments in some cases.

Thanks for Your comments,

michael

[starbiter]

Concerning Boulder Canyon there is another option. There is a possibility the canyon was cleaned out by a receding flood while sediments were left dry on higher ground. The map below suggests this. The flat areas above the canyons suggest sediment.

http://goo.gl/maps/lfbmu

The map below shows areas that appear to have deep sediments. Promethean, please let us know what it looks like to You.

http://goo.gl/maps/dHM4R

michael

[promethean]

Concerning Boulder Canyon there is another option. There is a possibility the canyon was cleaned out by a receding flood while sediments were left dry on higher ground. The map below suggests this. The flat areas above the canyons suggest sediment.

http://goo.gl/maps/lfbmu

The map below shows areas that appear to have deep sediments. Promethean, please let us know what it looks like to You.

http://goo.gl/maps/dHM4R

michael

At the top of the canyon the highway cuts show many layers of sediments.
The terrain above climbs to the divide, but another feature of these canyons is remarkable,
and that is the many "pinnacles" or "protuberances" that populate the areas around and in the
canyons.It was explained that these are igneous remains of intrusions in a layer long since eroded...
I am doubting that now.
Perhaps that explanation isn't entirely wrong ,but I just don't see water
doing all the work required. EDM seems a more likely answer.
The bottom of the front range has a lot of Bentonite clay in the midst of rocky farmland,
much to the dismay of developers, homeowners, and farmers.

[starbiter]

Concerning Boulder Canyon there is another option. There is a possibility the canyon was cleaned out by a receding flood while sediments were left dry on higher ground. The map below suggests this. The flat areas above the canyons suggest sediment.

http://goo.gl/maps/lfbmu

The map below shows areas that appear to have deep sediments. Promethean, please let us know what it looks like to You.

http://goo.gl/maps/dHM4R

michael

At the top of the canyon the highway cuts show many layers of sediments.
The terrain above climbs to the divide, but another feature of these canyons is remarkable,
and that is the many "pinnacles" or "protuberances" that populate the areas around and in the
canyons.It was explained that these are igneous remains of intrusions in a layer long since eroded...
I am doubting that now.
Perhaps that explanation isn't entirely wrong ,but I just don't see water
doing all the work required. EDM seems a more likely answer.
The bottom of the front range has a lot of Bentonite clay in the midst of rocky farmland,
much to the dismay of developers, homeowners, and farmers.

Pinnacles seem to be produced in a reverse duning method when the process is strong. By this i mean high wind and temperature. The image linked below is in the Gunnison National Forest. It's supposed to be volcanic. I doubt that.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... =drive_web

The image below shows a less intense version of the process. The wind would be from the right. Layer after layer accumulates into the direction of the wind. When the process is less intense conglomerate is laid down. When the temperature rises solid rock is produced.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... =drive_web

The image below illustrates the up and down nature of the process.

http://goo.gl/maps/fDg04

michael

[promethean]

Unfortunately this computer denies access to anything google...( i am visiting friends )
I am sure "protuberance" is not a geophysical term but merely a description of these towering
features..."Twin Sisters" and "Forsyth rock" are on Magnolia Mtn. just south of the canyon.
Now I am picturing these twins being electro-deposited by a helical vortex of plasma.
Also, I don't deny the floods power in excavating the debris from the canyon, the Boulder Creek
valley below appears to have been victim of an intense flow that washed towards the east.
What about the Boulder Flatirons ? Vertical red sandstone ? And also the local Dakota Ridge
and associated "hogbacks" along the front range...I think limestone...soft coal was mined here.
A lot of unusual features and the Continental Divide ! Coincidence ?

[starbiter]

Unfortunately this computer denies access to anything google...( i am visiting friends )
I am sure "protuberance" is not a geophysical term but merely a description of these towering
features..."Twin Sisters" and "Forsyth rock" are on Magnolia Mtn. just south of the canyon.
Now I am picturing these twins being electro-deposited by a helical vortex of plasma.
Also, I don't deny the floods power in excavating the debris from the canyon, the Boulder Creek
valley below appears to have been victim of an intense flow that washed towards the east.
What about the Boulder Flatirons ? Vertical red sandstone ? And also the local Dakota Ridge
and associated "hogbacks" along the front range...I think limestone...soft coal was mined here.
A lot of unusual features and the Continental Divide ! Coincidence ?

The Flatirons and associated hogbacks all seem to be reverse dunes. I believe they start at a shoreline.

http://goo.gl/maps/NZLbG

http://goo.gl/maps/jYNTT The Grand Hogback

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... =drive_web I 70 looking West.

michael