Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:10 pm

This link relates to the dune thread.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:18 am

The link below will enable anyone to join a NPA Fuze meet on Saturday, March 3rd concerning catastrophic geology. By clicking on the link a Fuze account can be created.





When in session, click here to join the video conference: https://www.fuzemeeting.com/fuze/fccff073/15973817

Date: Saturday, March 3, 2012
Time: 07:00 AM - 09:00 AM (U.S. Pacific time)
New York: 2012-03-03 10:00 AM
Rio: 2012-03-03 01:00 PM
Rome: 2012-03-03 04:00 PM
Delhi: 2012-03-03 08:30 PM
Sydney: 1969-12-31 07:00 PM
Length: 2 hours

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Contact: David Scott de Hilster
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Yes (4): Dr. Paul E. Anderson, Andreas Otte, Michael Meade Steinbacher, Greg Volk
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Michael Meade Steinbacher
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Interests: Geology, Frisbee, Electric Universe

Nationality: USA
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Ancient accounts from around the world describe a time when the air was choked with dust, sand, and falling stone. Floods, tsunamis, and downpours of water submerged much of the land. Oil also rained down day and night. Hurricane-strength winds scoured the earth. Many of the stories appear to describe earth-altering catastrophe punctuated by electrical events on a continental scale. The described events imply a global redistribution of dust and sand. The transport of windborn material would have been interrupted by higher ground acting like a snow fence, with self-perpetuating deposition leading to drifting or duning. In this paper we consider the possibility that a high-energy "aurora" extended to earth's surface, with associated electromagnetic effects, such as the Bennett pinch, attracting and lithifying the airborne dust. Drainage of rain and flood waters quickly cut into the dunes, generating a thick slurry. According to recent demonstrations, the slurry could be deposited in extensive stratified alluvial fans. The result of the envisioned events appears to be massive dune formation on dry land, to create mountain ranges, with slurry runoff into the surrounding (receding) water, creating new dry land. Electric discharges within the plasma environment could then convert the fresh material into many forms of rock, especially granite, sandstone, schist, and basalt. Anciently remembered "rivers of fire" appear to have flowed up many drainage channels, burning, lithifying, and eroding cliff walls in processes similar to industrial electrical discharge machining (EDM). The effects of the hypothesized events are easy to see when traveling through the mountains and deserts, as will be shown in this photographic journal. Then the convergence of plasma physics with the ancient accounts seems to make sense.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:38 am

The link below is for a 35 minute video of an EU geology tour in the western US. It's a low res rough cut. If too many downloads are preformed it might need to be removed. It was crafted by Andreas Otte.

http://www.chrono-rekonstruktion.de/las ... eology.mpg

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:20 pm

There is now a web site for the ideas discussed on this thread. You can find it at www.eu-geology.com. There is a list of useful links. Questions are welcome as always.

Andreas Otte has created a DVD of the geology tour before and after the recent EU conference in Las Vegas. It is not a slick documentary, but it does flow, and is educational. Pre orders are being accepted, with shipping expected in mid April.

There is a free preview clip concerning externally produced electric granite.



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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:38 pm

The DVD of the geology tour prior to and after the EU conference in Las Vegas is now ready to ship. Thanks to the folks who pre ordered. If anyone can't afford to purchase a copy i will send one for free, or whatever You can afford. This offer is subject to change. There is contact info at http://www.eu-geology.com. Or i can be reached by private message or email through the forum if You are a member.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby Sparky » Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:55 pm

Thanks for the link to the tour video....with my new setup, i can now see these vids... ;)
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby venn » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:02 pm

Thanks for the link to the tour video....with my new setup, i can now see these vids.)


The public link now only connects to a shorter 7:30 min teaser version of the video ...
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:43 am

Below is an abstract for a paper i'll present at NPA 19 in Albuquerque, in July.


Michael Meade Steinbacher
Year: 2012
The Book Cliffs of UT and CO, and the Green River basin to the north, seem to be the result of a massive slosh of seawater toward the NW. The base of the Book Cliffs is oil shale, which contains an estimated 1.8 to 2 trillion barrels of oil [800,000,000 recoverable]. [1] Above the oil shale is 8,000 million tons of coal. Between the layers of coal are layers of bone up to 14'' thick. After the events of Exodus, the Sun was known as the Sun that rises in the East. If the Earth ceased to rotate and then reversed its rotation, a slosh would be inevitable. The 13.25-mile bulge of water at the equator would rush toward the poles. The oceans would also surge toward the West. The Mississippi basin would be submerged, soil would be entrained in the surge along with the thick dust that legends say filled the atmosphere, and the resulting slurry would flow westward. The Rockies would impede the flow, causing the slurry to rise against them and to fill the valleys. The easiest path west would be through Wyoming. The mountains north and south of Salt Lake City would block the westward flow. The flood then would be diverted (or slump) southward (downhill). The Book Cliffs north of I-70 appear to be the end of the flow. [2] According to legend and myth, it rained oil day and night for many days. The oil would have run through the drainage, pooling in basins and mixing with fresh sediment. Electrical discharges, described as rivers of fire in legends, which appear to have flowed up many drainage channels, converted the oil-clay mixture into impermeable shale, trapping the oil. Every tree was reported to have been blown down during the earlier hurricane period of the catastrophe. The following flood would sweep those uprooted forests and the fauna in and near them into great heaps above the oil shale, accounting for the layers of bone and coal. [3] http://ostseis.anl.gov/guide/oilshale/ http://g.co/maps/8e595 http://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/0371/report.pdf


Since submitting the abstract it has come to my attention that the the 14" layer of "bone" might actually be shale. The report does mention other fossil bones, including dinosaurs at the lowest levels. To the north of the Book Cliffs Apatosaurus (Brontosaurus) bones have been found.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:07 am

There will be a geology tour after the NPA conference in late July.

http://www.worldnpa.org/site/event/?eventid=508




The tour will last about two weeks. It will include NM, CO, and UT. Anyone interested can contact me be email.

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Sun May 06, 2012 9:24 am

There is a discussion of the geography of Peru on the thread linked below of interest to people following this thread.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2199&p=66063#p66063

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Wed May 09, 2012 1:10 pm

starbiter wrote:The DVD of the geology tour prior to and after the EU conference in Las Vegas is now ready to ship. Thanks to the folks who pre ordered. If anyone can't afford to purchase a copy i will send one for free, or whatever You can afford. This offer is subject to change. There is contact info at http://www.eu-geology.com. Or i can be reached by private message or email through the forum if You are a member.

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I am watching this now, and I have to say - this is compelling stuff. I really like the part where you pointed out that garnets have been found in the Himalayas, and that the garnets would have to come all the way up from the 100+ mile location in which mainstream theory says they were formed. Indeed, I found this news release from Stanford university which is relevant to your point:-

The garnet-imbedded rocks not only formed at great depths, they also "bounced back to the surface by some unknown mechanism," says Hacker.

http://news.stanford.edu/pr/00/000315rocks.html

What possible mechanism? The only way would be some strange form of volcanic uplift that causes cracks and fissures in the bedrock and steam and lava manages to push particles of loosened bedrock upwards for over a hundred miles against the force of gravity through these fissures. Right?

Not so, as the news release describes the cooler condition of lower crust rock:-

Because subducted plates are part of the Earth's crust, they are much cooler than the hot, rocky material found below the surface.

Geologists have long speculated that, as plates are pushed underground, they stay cooler ­ even at ultrahigh pressures like those found 120 miles below the surface.

Now there is proof.

"In subduction zones, rocky material is carried down faster than it can heat up," says Hacker, which explains why garnet crystals could form so deep beneath the surface at such relatively low temperatures.



So there really is no other seeming mechanism except for the EU explanation, in my view.


EDIT - Oh, and great point about the lack of that basalt flow too!
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby swall » Thu May 10, 2012 3:21 pm

The geology tour after the NPA conference is well worth attending. Afterwards, you will realize that you know more about geology than professional geologists. This is especially true if you talk to the geologists working at the Bureau of Land Management about the whereabouts of "missing volcanoes". These volcanoes must be there because their theory dictates their existence to explain the basalt. Unfortunately, with volcanoes as their only source of basalt, they will never be able to understand what the rocks are trying to tell them.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby nick c » Tue May 15, 2012 8:51 am

Starbiter,
Excellent video. While I am sure that much is open for debate and discussion, it shows the complexity of the geology when one removes the conventional uniformitarian filters.
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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Wed May 30, 2012 2:48 pm

Hello norpag: This is a continuation from another thread with a Ph.D geologist.

Dolomite is found on mountain tops quite often. It can be quite thick. I've been studying the Bonanza King formation for some time. The park rangers at Red Rock Park, West of Vegas say it's limestone with fossils. The geologists at Vegas BLM say it's primarily unfossiliferous dolomite. There are fossils above the dolomite, but primarily not in the matrix.

http://mrdata.usgs.gov/geology/state/sg ... it=NVCAc;0

The name Bonanza King Formation is often used for the entire section below the Dunderberg Shale; the formation ranges from 2000 to 4,600 feet thick. In general, the carbonate section thickens from east to west (Longwell and others, 1965). The Carrara Formation ranges from 1,400 to 1,960 feet thick (Cornwall, 1972). The Highland Peak Formation ranges from about 3,000 to at least 6,300 feet thick (Tschanz and Pampeyan, 1970). The Highland Peak Formation may be another name for the Bonanza King Formation.

http://www.schweich.com/mdfA.html


Bonanza King Formation

The Bonanza King Formation is a Middle and Upper Cambrian, non-fossiliferous, light gray domomite and dolomitic limestone commonly displaying algal laminae and containing chert nodules. It is 1900 to 2000 feet thick. The type locality is the east flank of the Providence Mountains. The distribution of the Bonanza King Formation includes the Providence Mountains and several adjacent ranges of the eastern Mojave desert, also much of the southwestern Basin and Range province in California (DeCourten, 1979).
Literature Cited:
- Hazzard, John C., 1954.

In the Providence Mountains, the Bonanza king Formation has been divided into three units. The lower unit is a dark smoky gray dolomite and partially dolomitized limestone, locally cherty and sandy with intraformational pebble and cobble conglomerates, in individual beds 6 inches to 3 feet thick (Hazzard, 1954).
Literature Cited:
- Hazzard, John C., 1954.

Silver King Dolomite

The Silver King dolomite is the middle unit of the Bonanza King Formation and is a very dark smoky gray to nearly black dolomite (Hazzard, 1954).
The upper unit of the Bonanza King Formation is a light creamy gray dolomite.




This is how Wiki claims the formation was created. I assume this is the mainstream explanation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Rock_C ... ation_Area

The Red Rock Area has a complex geological history, which over millions of years, helped to create the dramatic landscape that characterizes the region.
The Red Rock area was located under a deep ocean basin during the Paleozoic Era 600 million years ago. Sediments up to 9,000 feet thick were deposited, and eventually lithified. This sediment eventually formed into limestone.[8]


Calico Hills scenery in Red Rock Canyon


Sunset at Red Rock Canyon
Around the Mesozoic Era 250 million years ago, the earth's crust started to rise due to tectonic shifts, forcing the water out and leaving behind evaporite formations of salt and gypsum. Exposure of the former sea bed allowed some of the rocks to oxidize (literally rust) and formed the area's characteristic red and orange rock layers.[9]
Eventually a lush plain with streams and trees developed in the area. Some of these trees were covered with mud from the streams and eventually became petrified wood. Many of these fossilized logs can still be found today at the base of the Wilson Cliffs.
By 180 million years ago, the climate continued to change and the area became a desert featuring vast expanses of huge shifting sand dunes. These dunes would pile up and were lithified, and are now called Aztec Sandstone. During a mountain building period called the Laramide orogeny around 65 million years ago, the Keystone Thrust Fault developed, which ran through most of North America and through the Red Rock Conservation Area. The movement of this fault forced the older grey sedimentary rock over the younger red rocks, forming the striking red line that can be seen in the mountain today.[10]

Me again,
That's one hell of a story. There are problems with this account according to chemists. It's referred to as the dolomite problem.

http://www.scitopics.com/Sedimentary_do ... oblem.html



Any model for marine carbonate precipitation must explain how these kinetic barriers are overcome. As we have seen, in normal shallow marine conditions, seawater is supersaturated with respect to calcium carbonate and dolomite, achieved by ion complexing and hydration, so that thermodynamic predictions for precipitation of the minerals involving saturation indices are inapplicable. It appears that significant changes in seawater chemistry are necessary before carbonate precipitation can occur.

Me again,
This paper suggests high temperatures are required for real dolomite.

http://earth.geology.yale.edu/~ajs/1999 ... vidson.pdf

THE DOLOMITE PROBLEM: CONTROL OF PRECIPITATION
KINETICS BY TEMPERATURE AND SATURATION STATE
ROLF S. ARVIDSON* and FRED T. MACKENZIE**
ABSTRACT. The mineral dolomite and the uncertainties surrounding its origin have attracted the attention of earth scientists for over a century. The core of
the dolomite ‘‘problem’’ is the apparent paradox posed by the paucity of dolomite in modern marine depositional environments versus its relative abundance
in the sedimentary rock record. Solving this problem requires knowledge of the
conditions under which the mineral forms and the rate of precipitation under
those conditions.
As a working hypothesis, it is suggested that the precipitation rate of dolomite may be quantified and modeled in a manner similar to other carbonate
minerals through application of a rate law that represents the rate as a simple
function of saturation index,
r  k(  1)
n
.
This hypothesis is tested in a series of experiments by measuring the steady
state rate of dolomite precipitation in a dolomite-seeded flow reactor through
analysis of reacted fluid chemistry. By varying temperature from approx 100° to
200°C and saturation index () from near saturation to D100, sufficient data were
collected to solve for the reaction order and Arrhenius rate constant
(k  A exp 5(A/RT)6) of this rate law.
The dolomite produced in these experiments was variable in composition
but typically a calcium-rich protodolomite, forming syntaxial overgrowths on the
seed material. At the highest supersaturations obtained, formation of distinct
nucleation centers was observed. These experiments do confirm a strong temperature dependence for the precipitation reaction (activation energy A  31.9 kcal
mol1
) and moderate dependency on saturation index (n  2.26, log A  1.05).
The experimental findings of this paper suggest that the abundance of dolomite
in the sedimentary rock record reflects, at least in part, environmental changes in
temperature and seawater chemistry over geologic time.


Me again,
This model requires urea for dolomite formation. I have visions of dinosaurs relieving themselves at the oceans edge.

http://www.jcdeelman.demon.nl/dolomite/ ... ineral.pdf

As part of a systematic investigation into the mechanism of dolomite formation all of the
known claims on low-temperature synthesis have been duplicated by me. But the experiments
yielded precipitates consisting at best of magnesium calcite. Ultimately pure dolomite
precipitated in an experiment, which was in fact a variation on the test described by
Liebermann(1967). The addition of urea to Liebermann's Exp. No. 57 was found to favour the
low-temperature nucleation of dolomite. In my experiment D-222, itself another duplication of
Liebermann's Exp. No. 57 but with the addition of 16.65 mMol urea, dolomite sensu stricto
together with some pure calcite formed (Fig. 3). X-Ray analyses were performed on a Philips Xray diffractometer with nickel filtered copper radiation (voltage 40 kV; current 20 mA; but at
slowed down scanning speed of 1
o
per 3.34 min.). The presence of one of the superstructure
reflections of dolomite (cf., Goldsmith & Graf, 1958) could be recognized (at 2.54 nm or 35.34
o
in Cu-Kα radiation) in this diffractogram (indicated by the arrow in Fig.3). The second
superstructure should have been present at 2.06 nm (or 43.84
o
in Cu-Kα radiation); but the only
undetermined peak of the diffractogram from sample D-222 was found at 43.07
o
(or 2.09 nm)
and may well belong to calcite.
The use of urea has been inspired on the observations by Mansfield(1980) on the occurrence
of pure dolomite as bladder stones in a Dalmatian dog. The catalysis by urea is most probably
related to the desorption of chlorine ions and the adsorption of carbonate ions.

Me again,
There is a simple explanation for thick unfossiliferous dolomite on mountain tops layered in a manner consistent with duning. A large comet is reported to have covered the Earth with blowing comet dust. Nasa has found both calcite and dolomite in comet dust. In the coma of comet Halley 7 percent dolomite was found by Vega 1. According to NASA the dolomite percentage is understated.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi. ... 010014.pdf

Abundance of Carbonate in Comets: The abundance of grains in the group identified as Mg-carbonate
varied significantly from the VEGA-1 to the VEGA-2
analyses, with Mg-carbonate constituting about 7% of
the total mass of particles measured by VEGA 1.

Estimating the total amount of carbonate in the Wild
2 samples is difficult, partly because of their small size
but also because many carbonates may have decomposed during the high-temperature regime of the hypervelocity capture into aerogel, since carbonates
undergo thermal decomposition at T > 800°C.

Me again,
Maybe this information will cause a fresh look at dolomite. Below is Red Rock Canyon. The dolomite is grey. The red and tan formations are petrified young dunes. The young dunes are covered by ancient dolomite. Go figure.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... wMjg5/edit

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Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

Unread postby starbiter » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:35 am

After the NPA conference in Albuquerque there will be a geology tour, starting on July 29th. Interested folks can contact me either through private message or email. The EU-Geology.com site also has contact options. Andreas Otte has added new information to the site recently.

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