Hydrocarbons in the Deep Earth?

[StefanR]

Love the discussion guys, but perhaps it would fit better in this place were already some info is present.
When helping cleaning up the forum, I left it apart on purpose as I personally think it is a proper subject in itself.

Peak Oil Myth?
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=786&start=0

[sureshbansal342]

earth is itself a single living organism like a tree. crust of earth is like a bark around it. so crude oil is like a bark oil and producing like as bark oil . see following video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC7i5CY6XNo&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lG3FX9D68

http://yfrog.com/h4moo6j Safeda like continents

[kiwi]

On land,tar-pits can be death-traps, but beneath the Gulf Of Cadiz, they support unusual life-forms in huge numbers..

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/c ... ife-3.html

[Anaconda]

This discussion board is long with much information. Some readers may not have the time or inclination to read through the entire discussion board.

The following link is a good, brief (in comparison to the length of the discussion board) summary of facts & evidence supporting the existence of abiotic hydrocarbons in the Earth's crust:

Inorganic Origin of Petroleum
http://www.scribd.com/doc/55489859/Inor ... eum-Origin

Two opening quotes from Inorganic Origin of Petroleum:

“The capital fact to note is that petroleum was born in the depths of the earth, and is only there that we must seek its origin” — Dmitri Mendeleev, 1877.

“Do these fuels result always and necessarily in one way from the decomposition of a pre-existing organic substance? Is it thus with the hydrocarbons so frequently observed in volcanic eruptions and emanations, and to which M. Ch. Sainte-Claire Deville has called attention in recent years? Finally, must one assign a parallel origin to carbonaceous matter and to hydrocarbons contained in certain meteorites, and which appear to have an origin foreign to our planet? These are questions on which the opinion of many distinguished geologists does not as yet appear to be fixed.” — Marcellin Berthelot, 1866

Two concluding quotes from Inorganic Origin of Petroleum:

“Geology is the prisoner of several dogmas that have had widespread influence on the development of scientific thought.” — William R.Corliss, 1975

"It is a singular and notable fact that, while most other branches of science have emancipated themselves from the trammels of metaphysical reasoning, the science of geology still remains imprisoned in ‘a priori’ theories.” — Sir Henry H. Howorth, 1895

Of course, the so-called "fossil" theory is an "a priori" theory that was first postulated in 1757 by Russian scholar scientist Mikail Lomnonosov which stated the oil was formed from buried organic waste.

The following scientific paper is from 2011, of interest is the references at the end of the paper citing other published, peer-reviewed papers:

Formation of H2 and CH4 by weathering of olivine at temperatures between 30 and 70°C

Anna Neubeck1, Nguyen Thanh Duc1, David Bastviken2, Patrick Crill1 and Nils G Holm1

1 Department of Geological Sciences, Stockholm University, Sweden

2 Department of Thematic Studies-Water and Environmental Studies, Linköping University, Sweden

Published in Geochemical Transactions 2011

http://www.geochemicaltransactions.com/content/12/1/6

Scientific research into abiotic hydrocarbons is ongoing.

[BobDodds]

Quoting Anaconda: ""And in another development, oil has been found below the Bakken oil formation in North Dakota. This oil formation is in what is called the Three Forks-Sanish geological formation which is deeper than the Bakken oil formation (see link below): Dozens of fruitful wells beneath the rich Bakken shale in North Dakota continue to fuel a hunch among oilmen and geologists that another vast crude-bearing formation may be buried in the state's vast oil patch."

...abiotic oil from mother cracks, "in commercial quantities". The numbers will soon blow away the Fossil Fuel myth without requiring a cpu upgrade in morons, as we are now hearing numbers like "4 times Saudi", "2500 times Saudi", more than once, here and there.

Lots of well bores around Lake Sakakawea, MHA Nation, angling and thus pointing toward two wells on Arikara land. The slanting bores are not hitting the mother cracks since they might have to be 70,000 to 100,000 feet long to do that. One straight down Arikara well is 46,000 feet and that one hit more oil than Saudi Arabia. Another is 50,000 and counting and it hit very many more times the oil of Saudi Arabia. See if you get any reports on angling well bores and why someone thinks they are doing that.

Similarly, Libya hit the mother cracks in basement rock for 500 million barrels in the cracks at any one time. Rather than remark on how big the cracks are in volume, or how much oil that means is on tap, Dr. Talaat K. Barsoum always dodges CIA drone missiles by saying mother cracks under oil field(s) are a "reservoir", akin to sand and salt zones in Fossil Fuel lingo. Dr. Barsoum speaks at MENA mideast conferences in London, and I think he had to speak with ambiguity as far as Fossil Fuel propaganda. He did not attribute Kudryavtsev's Rule when he cited it as not only the operant principle behind finding the mother cracks in basement rock, but also he was recommending that others use the same rule because it worked in Libya, not because of the underlying science and much more success of Kudryavtsev et al.

Quoting J Craig to take the onus off Barsoum, the week of Gaddafi's assassination for outing Africa floating on oil, as well as for earmarking $60 bil for African, African, not arab, African Monetary Fund and Afr Devel Bank, after many tens of billions poured direct into African development, and raising Libya from poorest nation to better than Washington, DC, Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore, etc:

pgc.lyellcollection.org/content/7/673.full
by J Craig - 2010 - Related articles
In addition, oil is produced from fractured granitic basement and overlying 'basal ... Seismic section through the central Kufra Basin, SE Libya showing a potential remnant ...... Bertello F.,; Barsoum K

Barsoum mostly pdf's:

Recent New Discoveries as a Result of Better Understanding the Factors Controlling Hydrocarbon Accumulation in the Sirt Basin, Libya and Future Potential, by Talaat K. Barsoum

http://www.targetexploration.com/MENA11.pdf
Middle East & North Africa
MENA 2011 Oil & Gas Conference
The 9th Middle East and North Africa Oil and Gas Conference

19 & 20 September 2011 (O and Hil killed Qaddafi quickly then, preventing his financing African drilling into carbonatite/serpentined-peroditite everywhere, with or without mud volcanos, before Barsoum cited K Rule without attribution, and outed 500 mil barrels in African Mother Cracks with $60 bil earmarked for African development to diversify African countries away from imperial police-military keynesianist utopian diamond dependency and imperial looter welfare state)
The Imperial College, 180 Queens Gate, London SW7

Sep 20, 2011 – The 9th Middle East and North Africa Oil and Gas Conference ... Hydrocarbon Accumulations in Basement Reservoirs of Sirt Basin, Libya ... Mr. T. Barsoum, TKConsultants

(...Basement Reservoirs meaning dark African mother cracks in the white man's burdensome basement, and Barsoum goes on there to cite K Rule in the form of an unattributed recommendation to drill deeper beyond the first oil found. I suggest, at least, even under the same continent, at markers like serpentined peridotite and carbonatite, common in Africa and the Rift)

(...in....commercial.....quantities....so, to, speak.......so O and Hil snatched $100 billion Libyan including $60 bil earmarked for African OIL AND GAS development, and assassinated Gaddafi Qaddafi Kadhafi Kaddafi in favor of arab supremacist racist misogynist imperialist colonialist pawns aka "running dogs of imperialist colonialism", a phrase that ranks right up there with,"commercial quantities", and, "there were no white bands in LA").

-Bob



Lynn Helms, director of the state Department of Mineral Resources, said recent production results from 103 newly tapped wells in the Three Forks-Sanish formation show many that are "as good or better" than some in the Bakken, which lies two miles under the surface in western North Dakota and holds billions of barrels of oil...The Three Forks-Sanish formation is made up of sand and porous rock directly below the Bakken shale. But geologists don't know whether the Three Forks-Sanish is a separate oil-producing formation or if it catches oil that flows from the Bakken shale above.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... gD99EC8L81

Remember Kudryavtsev's Rule that when oil is found in a gelogical strata, more oil will be found below that strata in deeper formations all the way down to the bedrock and into the bedrock (see link below on Kudryavtsev, an Abiotic Oil Russian geologist):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kudryavtsev

This hypothesis seems to be confirmed by discovery of oil in the Three Forks-Sanish formation. Likely, upon scientific analysis, it will be found that the oil has the same chemical signature as the Bakken oil formation. And opposed to the suggestion in the linked article that it is possible that the oil flowed down to Three Forks-Sanish formation from the Bakken formation, rather, it's likely the oil flowed UP from the Three Forks-Sanish into the Bakken."

[GaryN]

It's conspiracy, so may not be allowed on TB, but I have been saying for a few
years now that I believe the forays into the middle east have not been to secure
their oil to protect supplies, but to disrupt them and make them unavailable in
order to maintain high prices. The number and volume of new discoveries around
the world should be bringing prices down, which would help greatly in reducing
prices on many goods whos costs are subject to increasing transport costs.
The admission that oil is, or even could be, abiotic and practically unlimited
in supply, especially with the newer drilling methods, could crash oil prices
and cut deeply into the profits of the multi-national oil companies.
Similarly, the war-drum beating over Iran might not just be about oil, but it's
other resources. I was recently reading an article about the huge deposits of
metals, including gold and silver, and rare-earth minerals, that are located in
the mountains. A quick look on Google Earth seems, to my perhaps tinted vision
anyway, to display the signs of plasma modification, lending support to the
idea that these elements are produced almost instantly in huge scale electrical
events, resonant fusion being my favorite possible process.
Anyway, good post BobDodds, and welcome to the forums.

[BobDodds]

This thread is a huge resource and since I found it last night I will be linking people here. Thanks, Anaconda, you're doing a wonderful job.

Here's a slideshow I plagiarized, with attribution:

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It has some Thomas Gold, though after reading Kenney I don't mention Gold much now.

Here's Fletcher Prouty giving the date of JD Rockefeller's insertion of Fossil Fuel myth, by conspiracy with scientists(hired-archicalism), into an important scientific gathering of some sort:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stnMHgEUrnc

[BobDodds]

Reading here about the oil at Travis mounds in Texas, I discovered that palagonite might be composed of illite and/or smectite in kaolin or kaolite(kaolin is fire clay and makes fire brick). Here is a link:

http://www.clays.org/journal/archive/volume%2042/42-5-582.pdf

Keywords for internet oil prospecting.

[BobDodds]

GaryN, it might be allowable to point out that JD Rockefeller, Jr., dad Sr. was a petroleum-based snake oil salesman, and that Rock Jr. initiated the long-running "conspiracy" of raising the price of oil by suggesting its scarcity, in some manner or other, in his case by simply paying hired-archicalist scientists to insert Fossil Fuel into the scientific record as if it had scientific basis.

Such was not uncommon in the 19th century. I have read economists David Levy and Sandra Peart's book, Vanity of the Philosopher, in which the professors give many examples of science based on prejudice and even science based on cartoons.

The reverse can also be true, as far as websites and scientific publications "Forbidding The Question(Eric Voegelin)", or censoring well-supported points of view, as contributors here have experienced, and as they also report, they discovered an agenda along with censorship. The agenda might just be monetarily based.

Oil exploration PhD, Gary Gensch, said in the 1980's that his consulting contract with ARCO prevented him from directly answering the question,"Do you believe in Fossil Fuel?". He answered in a roundabout way in the negative, not only for himself but for western oil exploration scientists working for big oil. I mention that with regard to conspiracy for profit. Millions of lives have been lost and more hang in the balance. I think if info leaders including Anaconda will press on patiently and thoroughly that the truth will out. This thread has far more western abiotic oil science than I have ever seen in one place. It is easy to copy a url to a specific post here and refer people to that or attribute a quote with a link.

[BobDodds]

Anaconda lists very many examples of indisputably abiotic oil now in production from the mother cracks below all sedimentary scenario:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2150&start=450#p52319

Add to that Libya, as described by Dr. Talaat K. Barsoum, September 20, 2011(and you know what happened to Libya's leader, Gaddafi, days later, at the hands of arab-supremacist racist misogynists who can be expected to pull back $60 bil in oil money on deposit earmarked for African development!):

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=58511&sid=059c66f406a4ceb5f1c043abc66c4c11#p58318

http://pgc.lyellcollection.org/content/7/673.full
by J Craig - 2010 - Related articles
In addition, oil is produced from fractured granitic basement and overlying 'basal ... Seismic section through the central Kufra Basin, SE Libya showing a potential remnant ...... Bertello F.,; Barsoum K

Barsoum mostly pdf's:

Recent New Discoveries as a Result of Better Understanding the Factors Controlling Hydrocarbon Accumulation in the Sirt Basin, Libya and Future Potential, by Talaat K. Barsoum

http://www.targetexploration.com/MENA11.pdf (sorry, PDF)
Middle East & North Africa
MENA 2011 Oil & Gas Conference
The 9th Middle East and North Africa Oil and Gas Conference

19 & 20 September 2011
The Imperial College, 180 Queens Gate, London SW7

Sep 20, 2011 – The 9th Middle East and North Africa Oil and Gas Conference ... Hydrocarbon Accumulations in Basement Reservoirs of Sirt Basin, Libya ... Mr. T. Barsoum, TKConsultants

Dr. Talaat Barsoum, T.K. Barsoum, TKConsultants, UK, oil in Libyan basement rock

http://www.maghreb-es.ucl.ac.uk/news/Infracam_abstracts_2006.pdf (2006, PDF)

Importance of Basement for Hydrocarbon
Entrapment and the Future Potential in the Sirt Basin, Libya

HYDROCARBON ACCUMULTIONS IN THE INFRACAMBRIAN
RESERVOIRS, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF BASEMENT FOR
HYDROCARBON ENTRAPMENT AND THE FUTURE
POTENTIAL IN THE SIRTE BASIN, LIBYA.
Barsoum T.K. Exploration & Development Consultants, London
The Infracambrian reservoirs, (Fractured and weathered basement including
quartzites) contain more than 1% of the initial recoverable reserves in the Sirt
Basin i.e. more than 500 Million Barrel Oil.
Of the 3 5 producing fields, 4 fields namely Augila/Nafoora, Amal, Rakb D1-12
and Rakb JJ-12 are producing from fractured basement (Infracambrian, Riphean
age) as well as younger reservoirs in structural traps. Oil was also encountered
in fractured infracambrian basement and Nubian Sandstone in two of the 55
Single Oil and Gas Discoveries, at Waha's 5G1-59 and 3V1-59 wells.
The Infracambrian basement configuration in the Sirt Basin reflects a typical
example of an intracratonic rift basin. There is abundance of tensional structures
consisting of fault blocks between normal faults. The basement block-faulting
caused the development of intricate horst-graben province. The faults are aligned
east-west, northeast-southwest, or northwest-southeast, which reflects tectonic
movement, latter trend being the youngest. The major horsts are occupied by
intrusive and extrusive rocks whereas the major grabens (troughs) are mainly
underlain by metamorphics which represented most of the country rock prior to
the igneous intrusion that occurred during the Pan-African episode (Riphean,
600-500 ma.ago) from Infracambrian to Early Cambrian. This basement
structural setting indicates that the metamorphics are the oldest rocks. The
youngest igneous rocks would be the volcanics as they penetrated both the
metamorphic and the plutonic rocks (also observed in outcrops) and in some
instances the Paleozoic and the Nubian sediments as dikes, sills or lava flows.
Some of these older volcanics could represent an effective Infracambrian
basement whe never they are old enough to be of Pan-African age, for example
in the area to northeast of Gialo Field at YY1-59 well and in the western and
southwestern Faregh area at 5A-59 well and probably at III1-59, H1-126, X1-71
and Q1-65 wells.
No basement rocks of Mesoproterozoic age were reported in the Sirt Basin. This
might lead to the conclusion that the Infracambrian basement under discussion
does not belong to the African Shield.
It should be mentioned that some of the quartzitic sediments present in deep
trough areas known as the Gargaf Formation could be of Infracambrian age and
close correlatives of siliciclastic Infracambrian sequence discovered on the
Cyrenaica Platform. Detailed study and further investigation on the age dating is
warranted for these observations.
There is a good possibility of encountering other hydrocarbon accumulations in
fractured Infracambrian basement in other areas in the Sirt Basin. In future
exploration drilling, whenever hydrocarbons are encountered in younger
reservoirs, should be extended to the basement, whenever possible. This
concept has been applied with excellent results at Waha's 4U-59 and Agoco's
Latif Fields. Production in these two fields has been from Oligocene Sands and
none of the wells drilled reached beyond Paleocene until it was recommended to
drill deeper. Significant amount of Gas was encountered in the Late Cretaceous
Lidam Formation in both fields. The drilled wells drilled, bottomed in Paleozoic or
older Volcanics.
In Sirt Basin, basement played an imp otent role in hydrocarbon entrapment by
sands wedging against Bald Basement Highs (Stratigraphic/Structural Trap) such
as at Agoco's giant Missala Field and the abandoned Magid Field at the
southeast and northeast of Sarir Bald Basement High, respectively. Other
examples include Waha's 5R1-59 and the recently discovered giant 6JJ-59 at the
southeast and northwest of the Gialo Bald Basement High respectively and at
Waha's undeveloped Faregh Field at the Agub Trend (EE-59 and 5H-59 Wells).
There is a great potential that similar hydrocarbon accumulations can be
discovered in other areas of the Sirt Basin, where Infracambrian (Riphean)
quartizites wedge out against Bald Basement Highs providing that structural
closures against the basement and adequate reservoi r rocks are present. It is
highly recommended that these areas should be investigated and explored for
accumulation in siliciclastic reservoirs ranging in age from Infracambrian to Early
cretaceous.

The Origin of Fault-Related Basement Structures in the Al Kufrah Basin: A
Structural Assessment of a Regional Magnetic Map.
A. A. Sherif 1 and B. S. El-Mejrab 2
1 Geology Department, Faculty of Science, Al-Fateh University, Tripoli, Libya
2 National Oil Corporation, Tripoli, Libya
The interpretation of a magnetic map covering most of the Al Kufrah Basin in SE
Libya, together with the interpretation of several seismic sections from the basin,
reveals a prominent conjugate set of faults related to a major northeast-trending
shear zone. These faults show a NE structural trend throughout the basin, and a
subsidiary NW-NNW trend. The linearity and the rhomboidal shaped magnetic
anomalies confirm the existence of the shear zone.
Such anomalies are probably accentuated by the highly ferruginous fault zones
observed during geological mapping of parts of the northeastern outcrops, and
from the study of some satellite images covering parts of the southeastern
outcrops of the basin. The magnetic anomalies are characterized by narrow
wavelengths towards the NW and SE, following the northeast-trending shear
zone, that become progressively broader towards the centre of the basin. The
lengths of the waves are a reflection of the depth of the magnetic Precambrian
basement as it becomes shallower towards the northwest and southeast. Some
seismic sections within the broad wavelength of the basin reveal conspicuous
seismic signatures of Infracambrian sequences between the overlying
Palaeozoic and the Precambrian basement. Most faults picked on seismic
sections are vertical and reach basement, extending in some cases upwards all
the way to the surface, most often splaying near the surface as flower structures.
These characteristics suggest that the faults are of strike-slip nature involving
reactivation. The variable vertical displacement exhibited by these faults is
probably caused by the change in direction of the acting forces relative to the
trends of these faults. Potential structural traps for hydrocarbons related to such
faults are very abundant in the area as revealed by the studied seismic sections.

Hydrocarbon accumulations and reserves in Infracambrian reservoirs, the
importance of basement for hydrocarbon entrapment and the future
potential of the Sirt Basin, Libya
Barsoum T.K.
Exploration & Development Consultants, London
Infracambrian reservoirs, (fractured and weathered basement) contain
more than 1% of the initial recoverable resaves in the Sirt Basin i.e. more than
500 Million Barrel Oil.
Of the 35 producing fields, 4 fields namely Augila/Nafoora, Amal, Rakb
D1-12 and Rakb JJ-12 produce hydrocarbons from fractured basement as well
as younger reservoirs in structural traps. Oil has also been encountered in
fractured basement and Nubian Sandstone in two of the 55 Single Oil and Gas
Discoveries, at Wa ha's 5G1-59 and 3V1-59 wells.
The possibility of encountering hydrocarbon accumulations in fractured
basement in other places in the Sirt Basin is good. In future exploration drilling
whenever hydrocarbons are encountered in younger reservoirs, it is highly
recommended that drilling should continue basement whenever possible. This
concept has been applied with excellent results at Waha's 4U-59 and Agoco's
Latif Fields. Production in these two fields has been from Oligocene Sands and
none of the wells drilled reached further than Paleocene until it was
recommended to drill deeper. Significant amount of Gas was encountered in the
Ku Lidam Fm in both fields. The wells drilled were terminated in Paleozoic
Volcanics.
Basement played an important role in hydroc arbon entrapment in the Sirt
Basin by having sands wedging out against bald basement highs
(Stratigraphic/Structural Trap). Examples include Agoco's giant Missal Field and
the now abandoned Magid Field respectively on the southeast and northeast side
of the Sarir bald basement high. Also Waha's 5R1-59 and the recently
discovered giant at 6JJ-59, respectively on the southeast and northwest side of
the Gialo bald basement high, and Waha's undeveloped Faregh Field on the
Agub Trend (EE-59 and 5H-59 Wells) There is great potential for similar
hydrocarbon accumulations to be discovered in other areas of the Sirt Basin
around bald basement highs provided that structural closures against basement
and adequate reservoir are present. It is highly recommended that the se areas
should be investigated.

Structural analysis of Ghadamis Basin by using Gravity data,
NW Libya
M. Saleem1 and M. Elmaradi2
Libyan Petroleum Institute, Tripoli, Libya
The Ghadamis Basin covers parts of western Libya, southern Tunisia and
eastern Algeria, and contains Infracambrian, Paleozoic and Mesozoic sediments
that unconformably overly an igneous and metamorphic basement complex. This
paper presents a structural analysis of the Ghadamis Basin in NW Libya, using
gravity data from 34000 gravity stations distributed across the basin. This
comprises about 60% of the basin coverage.
A Bouguer gravity map, with a grid cell size of 5 Km, was produced to
highlight the distribution of the gravity anomalies in the area. This map shows a
very low gravity anomaly in the central part of the basin surrounded by a high
gravity anomalies to the north, south and east.
A residual gravity map was derived from the Bouguer gravity map. This
residual shows the effect of shallow sources within the prospective sedimentary
section.
The horizontal derivative of the residual gravity was also computed. This
highlights the main structural trends of the area showing a gravity low in the
centre of the basin, and indicating that the overall structure of the basin dips
towards the Algerian border. A NW - SE trending structural high is located
towards the Qargaf Arch in the southern part of the basin, together with an E - W
trending gravity high in the same part of the basin. Further to the southwest more
subtle N - S trending features can be seen.
A 360 km long SW-NE trending gravity profile was constructed across
some of the most interesting anomalies in the basin, taking into consideration the
availability of the well data to reduce the uncertainty of the model assumptions.
The model shows a satisfactory fit between the calculated and observed gravity
and demonstrates the morphology of the basement rocks and the major faults in
the area, which occur in the NE part of the profile.
There are some very long wavelength effects from south to north over the
profile accounted by the crustal thinning towards the north and south of the
Ghadamis Basin.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5pei65111MQJ:media.ft.com/cms/64340c28-cdb4-11dc-9e4e-000077b07658.pdf (cached, might load as html)

Tullow to sink a high number of wells in areas that have showed a good track record. In Uganda, the company has struck oil in all eight of its wells drilled, an unheard of strike rate, and has discovered 250m barrels of recoverable reserves with ambitions to add on hundreds more in new drilling campaigns. Last year’s discovery of a large field off the coast of Ghana, in which Tullow holds a 37 per cent interest

[BobDodds]

Kudratsev's Rule used without attribution, I believe for author's safety:

"Sirt Basin. In future exploration drilling, whenever hydrocarbons are encountered in younger reservoirs, should be extended to the basement, whenever possible. This concept has been applied with excellent results at Waha's 4U-59 and Agoco's Latif Fields. Production in these two fields has been from Oligocene Sands and none of the wells drilled reached beyond Paleocene until it was recommended to drill deeper"

...and then he calls the basement rock mother cracks "reservoir" and not pipeline, again for the same reason I suppose. Barsoum actually says "in situ production" elsewhere, perhaps of the serpentined peridotite phenomenon. The cat is out of the bag on abiotic oil and reservoirs in sedimentary rock filling from mother cracks below.

Ironically, if we can break the control of fear and superstition, hundreds of patents for more efficient and clean burning internal combustion engines could be admitted to exist, by Detroit, and the 14:1 air:fuel ratio myth would go away by Tesla plasma jet ignition. It is an orderly retreat fallback position to mourn that unlimited abiotic petroleum would still be an endgame, one of environmental problem versus short supply, because of dirty burning engines that themselves are only pushed on us by the marshalling superstition, fox guarding hencoop against clean engines because they would get better mileage. We just need to break out of market-based feudalist sophistry i.e. advertising copy.

[sureshbansal342]

dear all,
i have resolved the mystery of crude oil formation with experiment.this totally against the fossil oil theory. it also can give us clue of earth formation and EE also. i am very much confident regarding this theory. please advise me how i can proceed safely.

regs
suresh bansal
sureshbansal342@gmail.com

[BobDodds]

Here and elsewhere, we encounter arguments based on the extra energy required to process heavy oil and tar from tar sands and oil shale, compared to easier work, and as the sophistry goes, never mind that easier work might just include drilling on through oil shale into mother cracks where serpentining is producing oil and gas, and tar downstream of methane(...serpentine to methane to oil to tar last not first?). Quitters' Tar argument works in (quitter star?) objections to the Keystone XL pipeline, and P.Paladin has used that fact to form a Peak Oil argument and a counter argument. The Keystone XL pipeline is alleged to be for conveyance of Canadian heavy tar oil, not for picking up greater than Saudi reserves from Ari_kara indigen land in North Dakota(the Indigns actually have an ordinary oil to gasoline refinery and not a tar handling refinery! Get a guess on now, and ask, Why? Why are the indgens winning in North Dakota, but losing in Washington, DC? Maybe the Canadian tar bit is just sadsakcing, poormowting, and goldbricking?! Maybe Canadians should forget Thomas Gold's drilling in Canadian Shield and remember Kudratsev's Rule and drill DEEPER beyond their oil shale?). Could it be that Keystone XL is for refined gasoline from North Dakota to fuel Mexican trucks hauling Chinese goods offloaded by Mexicans in Mexico and driven to US markets by truck drivers trained in Bangladesh--when they have their first accident just deport them and get another? We would be the last to know, but there is a nice little gasoline refinery in North Dakota, and maybe they have never seen any Canadian tar, but gasoline is coming out at the indigen oil-to-gas refinery.

A better jump or direction would be to advocate or apply Kudratsev's Rule, drill deeper where some form of oil has been found, rather than acting as if a sub-optimal form or consistency of oil is anything but one of many substances, hardly any of them oil at all(!), which are clues to locating high quality oil and gas.

Variations of "quit here, it's thick(keyword thick rather than keyword OIL)", by serving as traps around the edges of a main body of "drill here, it's oil and gas related", sophist ambushes serving to trap and snipe at messengers and the old and weak, around the edges of unassailable abiotic oil exploration science, which tries to notice all signs of oil and gas and drill some.

At the outset when finding thick non-bubbly crude(thick oil, tar, asphalt, oil shale), better to go ahead and look for other clues like certain Helium isotopes, metals, methane, look at the gravity which can even distinguish between thick and thin oil, and so according to what was initially Russian-Ukrainian theory and now expanded to abiotic theory, drill, and when drilling, and finding oil or gas, keep going to find more, improving the chances of hitting the mother cracks.

Down there, we encounter a fossil fooel artifact, the argument that the mother cracks are just a static "reservoir", with consequent reserve estimate based on momentary capacity of the cracks rather than continuously pipelining capacity of the cracks.

One abiotic theory that may be a firewalling version made for public consumption is the idea of looking for mud volcanos under ocean because according to that theory the serpentining of peridotite only produces oil in presence of sea water. Then all fossil fooelers have to do to hold at the firewall is kill Gaddafi, and keep my brother's keeper's deeper seeper offshore and out of the African mother cracks in all of that dolomite, peridotite, serpentine, diamonds, kimber pipe, mud volcano, and Rift, with assistance from the further support of tectonic stability.

Does the serpentinging of peridotite which produces oil happen only under the sea?

First, Anaconda, Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:54 pm, quotes that theory:

"Schroeder, John & Frost wrote:Peridotite denuded by tectonic extension and exposed at the seafloor adjacent to slow-spreading centers hosts hydrothermal circulation of seawater. The reaction of seawater with peridotite causes serpentinization, which generates a high-pH, strongly reducing fluid rich in methane and hydrogen, and is accompanied by as much as 40% volume expansion. Complete serpentinization of peridotite requires tectonic activity to open fluid paths sealed by volume expansion."

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13600901

Interestingly for my progression herein, Anaconda next proceeds to quote the theory that the mother cracks under oil and below other signs of oil may actually be caused by expansion of reactions happening within overall serpentinization. Kudratsev's Rule, and Dr. Talaat Barsoum's recommendation in the Sirte Basin context outing Libyan oil according to Kudratsev's Rule (unattributed), vertically, but horizontally, as in,"Gaddafi hit the Pan-African mother cracks in Sirte, and we heard it around the world, September 20, 2011 in London, MENA conference". Or we could thank Kudratsev for the horizontal application, drill all around when you hit a narrow spot of oil, say, Barsoum's 500 million momentary barrels not flowing African mother crack pipelining barrels.

Anaconda next describes the crack revolution that US/NATO/IMF/WB fossil fooelers sought to pre-empt in Libya before it reached the majority black communities scheduled for non-development, where Gaddafi had been funding development, using oil money from before white messiah drill slipped into the gaping African mother cracks from magma hell:

"Anaconda wrote:The process of serpentinization also causes expansion of the serpentized rock which significantly adds to the fracturing process -- in essence, serpentinization in conjunction with tectonic activity is a self-reinforcing positive feedback loop which intensifies the fracturing process both on the macro and micro scale, providing both the mixing of rock which results in a "reaction front" of geo-chemical reactions and, also, the fault networks which act as conduits for the flow of hydrocarbons."

Gaddafi hit the African mother cracks on land, not off the coast of Nigeria, Liberia, Angola, Ghana, but onshore where people's movements and black people's movements can go and stand on it and point down at the ground. Actually they are more likely to do their traditional African animist dances in which the gesture is more of a gathering of power up from the ground, and then throw some toward Obombus the Piece Prize Winner, piece as in flying body parts in Libya and Somalia. Not mention regulate and insist on job quotas, in addition to mineral rights.

Job quotas, that's how the Arikara Indians in North Dakota are tapping a tad of money from onshore serpentining under oil shale, oil shale drilled THROUGH as Kudratsev's bullseye, drilled through and down to 46,000 and greater than 50,000 feet, while media talks about 5000 foot oil shale wells. Actually, Anaconda has got wind of this deeper, high quality oil from the indigen mother cracks:

Quoting Anaconda: ""And in another development, oil has been found below the Bakken oil formation in North Dakota. This oil formation is in what is called the Three Forks-Sanish geological formation which is deeper than the Bakken oil formation (see link below): Dozens of fruitful wells beneath the rich Bakken shale in North Dakota continue to fuel a hunch among oilmen and geologists that another vast crude-bearing formation may be buried in the state's vast oil patch."

Seawater and serpentinining, is all African oil offshore and Libyan mother crack oil now twice buried?

More on serpentining under the sea:

sureshbansal342, Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:32 am, quoting Anaconda?

"Lost City hydrothermal field lies 15 km off-ridge, and produces hydrogen and methane through reactions between exposed peridotites and seawater (Kelley et al., 2005)"
http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/documents/abstracts/2005research_calgary/abstracts/short/szatmari.htm

"We found that median composition of the 22 trace element in the 77 oils analyzed correlates significantly better with chondrite (r2=0.77), serpentinized fertile mantle peridotite (r2=0.76), and the primitive mantle (r2=0.60) than with oceanic (r2=0.41) or continental crust (r2=0.35), and shows no correlation with seawater (r2=0.02). V abundances are low and V/Ni ratios range from chondritic to mantle-like values in oils from lacustrine sequences in aborted rifts, rising toward crustal and seawater values elsewhere. Normalized to chondrite or the mantle, trace elements that during serpentinization are largely retained in magnetite and other spinels (Cr, Mn, Fe, Ti) are about two orders of magnitude less abundant in the oils than those elements which during serpentinization pass into serpentine minerals, suggesting the different availability of the two groups during the formation of petroleum and/or its source rocks. Within both groups, trace metal ratios in the oils are close to mantle ratios. These correlations suggest that serpentinization of mantle peridotites, deformed and partially unroofed during rifting and continental break-up, may play a significant role in petroleum formation by contributing catalytically active trace elements, hydrogen, and hydrocarbons to the petroleum."

http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/documents/abstracts/2005research_calgary/abstracts/short/szatmari.htm

"sureshbansal342 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:34 am
dear all,
i have resolved the mystery of crude oil formation with experiment.this totally against the fossil oil theory. it also can give us clue of earth formation and EE also. i am very much confident regarding this theory. please advise me how i can proceed safely.

regs
suresh bansal
sureshbansal342@gmail.com"

"Safe", well, TK Barsoum "safely" couched unattributed Kudratsev's rule and his outing of oil in African mother cracks in fossil fooel's rhetorical familiarities, September 20, 2011, London MENA mideast oil conference, yet unsafely under cover of the same white veil, said sack-slobbered veil flown as flags over Sirte and then over a convoy departing at high noon, Gaddafi was kneecapped by US/NATO snipers, sodomized by fossil fooel mercenaries, then shot in the head for further review. The camel's nose is inside the long white veil and the rest always seems to follow. Maybe the Russians would publish your work. You could do the same experiment twice to nail it.

[BobDodds]

Anaconda:

Keith & Swan's abstract for the paper, Peridotites, Serpentinization, and Hydrocarbons:

Serpentinization of peridotites by oceanic or metamorphic sourced brines under strongly reduced conditions and temperatures of 200-500 C produces hydrocarbon-rich, chloride and/or bicarbonate metal-bearing brines. Serpentinization is common on the ocean floor along fracture zones (Lost City), beneath conventional(Kudratsev's Rule, practiced but then cited unattributed by TK Barsoum re Sirte, Libya, 500 mil bl in cracks below sed basins, and apparently K Rule practiced North Dakota Arikara 46k and 50+k wells far below oil shale, editor Bob notes) petroleum in rifts due to sedimentary burial (Gulf of Mexico) or thrust loading (Roan Trough), and at the top of flat subducting oceanic crust (Eocene beneath UT, CO, WY). Peridotites exhibit high-gravity, low-magnetic signatures. Serpentinized peridotites exhibit high-magnetic, low-gravity signatures. Volume expansion during serpentinization of up to 8X causes diapiric doming and induces expulsion of hydrocarbon-stable brines. There are 2 major types of peridotites: 1) magnesian dunitic peridotite with low V/Ni, high Au-Mg-Cu-Cr-Na/K, up to1400 ppm C (lithosphere source 51-130 km), 2) quartz alkalic aluminum-spinel peridotite with high V/Ni, high S-Mo-Ti-Al-Mn-Fe-U-K/Na up to 800 ppm C (athenosphere source 360-420 km). If hydrogen-stable (mainly thermogenic methane) peridotite-sourced brines rise into shelf carbonate sequence, they may form magnesian or quartz alkalic hydrothermal dolomite (HTD) and thermogenic gas. If the brines breech the hydrosphere they may produce "white smokers" (tuffa vent mounds/pinnacle reefs) along faults and enrich shales with exhalative metal and hydrocarbon. Petroleum condensate typically forms in reservoirs between the HTD zone and seep sites at the top of the lithosphere. Type I kerogen in black shale vents from Mg peridotite-sourced brines whereas Type II kerogen in black shale vents from quartz alkalic peridotite-sourced brines. Correspondingly hydrocarbon chemistry divides oil and gas into 2 major types: 1) magnesian sweet, low-sulfur paraffinic-naphtheric, 2) quartz alkalic sour, high-sulfur aromatic asphaltic. Geochemical markers that tie oil and gas to specific peridotite hydrothermal sources include nano-particle native metals and diamonds, and V-Ni porphyrins.


http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/docum ... /keith.htm

The above Keith & Swan abstract provides a specific geo-chemical pathway for the abiotic formation of hydrocarbons, even explaining the difference between "sweet" oil and "sour" oil, which is the presence of sulphur.

Taking into consideration all of the above facts & evidence provides a strong picture of the geo-chemical abiotic hydrocarbon system of the planet.

As a direct corollary, hydrocarbons are abundant in the Earth's crust.

(end Anaconda quote)

...apparently I am looking at whether quartz tar high up is any indication of there not being any magnesium sweet lower down.

[sureshbansal342]

In fact crude oil is biogenic in origin but not fossil oil.