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Unread postby Lloyd » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:27 pm

- Geogal, I'd like to know what you, as a geologist, think of any of the following EU articles.
Sunspots and Earthquakes at http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/051221earthquake.htm
Earthquakes at http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050302electric-earth.htm and http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041027electric-earth.htm
Earthquakes & Ionosphere at http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=714&p=8021
Electric Earthquakes at http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=36uyr9nx
Subterranean Lightning & Earthquakes at http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=aapprbh6
Earthquakes & Comets at http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/061130cometbreakup2.htm
Several articles on Volcanism at http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Volcanism
- Specifically, what do you think about the ionosphere and the Earth acting as a capacitor, and lightning from the ionosphere causing, not only weather events, but also volcanism and earthquakes?
- Also, relating to your above article, what do you think of these articles?
Articles on Weather at http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Weather
Articles on Atmospheres, Atmospheric Phenomena & Auroras at http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Atmospheres
- And unrelated to your article, but related to geology, what do you think of the same sort of megalightning having formed craters on Earth and on all other solid planetoids? Not just craters, but also rilles, canyons and fretted terrain etc?
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Re: NEW & FULL MOON EARTHQUAKE EFFECTS & THE ELECTRIC UNIVE

Unread postby Osmosis » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:40 pm

Welcome to the EU, Geogal and watch your back, as a professional! :mrgreen:
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Re: NEW & FULL MOON EARTHQUAKE EFFECTS & THE ELECTRIC UNIVE

Unread postby Geogal » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:43 pm

MGmirkin wrote:Welcome, Geogal! Always good to see new faces... Hopefully your stay is a long and pleasant one!

I assume you've probably perused the "Plasma & Electricity from Micro To Macro & Beyond" thread from way-back ( a couple months ago, now)... There are a few good press releases with respect to Earth-> Moon plasma tail interaction. One wonders if the opposite is true? Though I haven't seem much on the "other direction," IE, what effect might the Moon's magnetotail or plasma sheath (if it's gone one or both) have on the Earth? Channel a little extra charge into the upper atmosphere? Maybe that creates some equivalent movements of charge in the ground? Extra lightning? Extra EQ's? Etc...

Just a thought. Haven't had time to peruse the (apparently copious!) links yet... Seems interesting. I know that Dahlenaz (another forum member) Has had similar ideas re: what he called the "hypersensitive solar system." IE, if bodies interact electrically, there might be correlations between various geometries and other events like EQ's, lightning, etc. Don't know how far he's taken it all...

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Hi Michael and thanks!
I've been investigating the magnetotail effect, but, been finding that though there is an increase in some EQ activity during full moon, it, so far, doesn't seem to be as dramatic as new moon. I'm still collecting data and may figure out more as i go. This is a work in progress. it seems that the earths tail tends to cause lunar quakes more than earthquakes. But, yeah... it seems that the direction of moon new and it's "tail" seems to have a bit of an effect on the earth. Fascinating! From what I could find, it doesn't have a magnetotail, par se... which is why I'm thinking it may have a solar wind wrap around effect, kinda like I described with a rock in a stream... sort of a chaos effect on the down "wind" side.
Is Dahlenaz on often? I guess i could just PM him/her.... LOL!
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Re: NEW & FULL MOON EARTHQUAKE EFFECTS & THE ELECTRIC UNIVE

Unread postby Geogal » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:45 pm

Osmosis wrote:Welcome to the EU, Geogal and watch your back, as a professional! :mrgreen:

LOL! thanks, Osmosis. Which profession are you in? ;)
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Re: Related Articles

Unread postby Geogal » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:15 pm

Lloyd wrote:- Geogal, I'd like to know what you, as a geologist, think of any of the following EU articles.
Sunspots and Earthquakes at http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/051221earthquake.htm
Earthquakes at http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050302electric-earth.htm and http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041027electric-earth.htm
Earthquakes & Ionosphere at http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=714&p=8021
Electric Earthquakes at http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=36uyr9nx
Subterranean Lightning & Earthquakes at http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=aapprbh6
Earthquakes & Comets at http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/061130cometbreakup2.htm
Several articles on Volcanism at http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Volcanism
- Specifically, what do you think about the ionosphere and the Earth acting as a capacitor, and lightning from the ionosphere causing, not only weather events, but also volcanism and earthquakes?
- Also, relating to your above article, what do you think of these articles?
Articles on Weather at http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Weather
Articles on Atmospheres, Atmospheric Phenomena & Auroras at http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Atmospheres
- And unrelated to your article, but related to geology, what do you think of the same sort of megalightning having formed craters on Earth and on all other solid planetoids? Not just craters, but also rilles, canyons and fretted terrain etc?

Hi Lloyd, yours I saved for last... intensive question.

I've been perusing a few of the articles last few days and here's my general opinion.
I think that there is likely something related to sunspots and earthquakes, what specifically I do not know. I've been slowly looking into that potential part/idea of my hypothesis, but haven't been able to gather enough info to study a specific link and timing. But, I do have a feeling that there is something there.

Ionosphere is a fun topic. I think NASA has a few years up on me on that one. With China and previous earthquakes there is the potential that the earth releases energy and gases that can be "read' within the ionosphere, similar to a few theorists about earthquake clouds. So, there is a link with notification of one coming, but I don't see a link in regards to the ionosphere "causing" one. Lightening, that I'm familiar with, tends to be cloud to cloud or cloud to ground, it doesn't seem to go very deep, maybe a few meters. The ions that are charged do not seem very strong, in comparison to the energy released during an earthquake event. There is a potential that if the earth is releasing energy prior to an event, the air above can become excited and it the local conditions are positive for it, lightening could be a result. I've talked with a few meteorologists on the subject and some have tried to connect an link between weather and earthquakes, but not a single one has, that I know of. Earthquakes tend to be very deep, 1km to 800km deep, normally, and most happen within the ring of fire, beneath a 1000+ feet of water, then 1 to 800 km of rock/soil. For lightening to cause those.... and volcanism, I see lightening more as a result of the excited ions and opening point of the earth/exposure of volcanic material, gasses, etc... again, way to much energy for lightening to cause, but plenty of set-up for it being a result. Does that answer?

I think the EU theory and auroras, ionosphere and the like is an absolutely fascinating topic, but not one I am heavily versed in. Got a link about the megalightening and canyon causation? Never heard of it. Off the top of my head it sounds a bit "great flood"ish as a causation, but can't say for certain without a bit more info. :)
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Re: NEW & FULL MOON EARTHQUAKE EFFECTS & THE ELECTRIC UNIVE

Unread postby webolife » Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:06 pm

After rereading those TPOD's I reach similar conclusions and questions as Geogal.
BTW, Geogal, I am an Earth Science major, teach secondary science and math [31 yrs], love all things geologic, meteorologic, astronomical, and have a theory of instantaneous light action that lends itself very well to EU, hence my coming here a few years ago... nevertheless I am also quite comfortably entrenched in a catastrophic worldview with regard to earth history, so I don't balk at "great flood"ish sounding ideas. The electric star hypothesis, and plasmic planetary interactions generally make sense to me [but I'm not totally sold yet], but I'm still a bit skeptical about megalightning effects of the magnitude described often here by Stephen Smith, et.al.... I'd love to see some real meaty "encounters of the third kind" so-to-speak to sway me more in that direction... meanwhile, like you, I wonder if folks here have cause and effect a bit reversed at times. Interconnectedness of the EU I get, but everything-caused-by-electric-currents I don't.
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Interplanetary Electric Discharges & Craters etc

Unread postby Lloyd » Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:12 pm

- Geogal [and Webolige too],
- Your theory that the moon plays a role in earthquakes is E.U. related and James McCanney has had that theory for some time, though he's not part of the Thunderbolts team.
- What the Thunderbolts team [and maybe McCanney too] have concluded is that interplanetary electrical discharges a few thousand years ago caused most of the craters, rilles and other features on the solid-surfaced planetoids. These powerful discharges were a result of close encounters among planetoids.
- Ralph Juergens was an electrical engineer who got this idea started in the 70s as per his article at http://www.kronia.com/library/electrical2.html [See also http://www.kronia.com/library/electrical1.html]. In the article he says:
since the plasma effectively "grounds" the planets to the Sun, each of them ought to be charged so as to have this same 10^9 volt surface potential. The charge on each of them, expressed as a fraction of the Sun's charge, should be proportional to the planet's radius, expressed as a fraction of the Sun's radius. Earth, Mars, and the Moon should then carry respective "normal" charges of approximately 10^5, 5 x 10^4, and 2.5 x 10^4 coulombs. - Given such charges - and it bears reemphasizing that these figures may be substantially on the low side - we can see that the postulated Aristarchus discharge, transferring 10^9 coulombs between Mars and the Moon, would alter the "normal" charge of Mars by only about two parts in a million, and that of the Moon by some four parts in a million. Quite a few such bolts might pass between the two bodies during a single encounter without significantly affecting the electrical balance between either of them and the interplanetary plasma.

- For good evidence for this theory, please see the following TPODs etc and then I'd like to hear your reaction, if you would.
Craters in the Lab http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041126craters-lab.htm
Bull's-Eye Craters http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch07/070523bullseye.htm
Electric Craters on Planets and Moons http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050608craters.htm
Holes in Moons … and in Theories http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050712holes.htm
Lunar Craters—a Failed Theory http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060308crater.htm and http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060310crater.htm
Rim Shots http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040816crater.htm
Olympus Mons http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040705olympus-mons.htm
The “Caldera” of Olympus Mons http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050606omcaldera.htm
RALPH JUERGEN'S ELECTRIC SUN MODEL http://www.kronia.com/thoth/ThoIII06.txt
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Re: NEW & FULL MOON EARTHQUAKE EFFECTS & THE ELECTRIC UNIVE

Unread postby webolife » Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:36 pm

I see these crater evidences as compelling reasons to ask the question:
Are these the result of megalightning EDM?
But what is needed is a current connection to cratering happening now, in order to subject it to rigorous scientific analysis.
The moons of Jupiter and Saturn are offering such a "laboratory" for observation, but if the only evidence points to planetary history without reference to present day observable processes [not just lab-scaled plasma research], then I can only be wishful about the interplanetary electric circuit causation.
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Re: NEW & FULL MOON EARTHQUAKE EFFECTS & THE ELECTRIC UNIVE

Unread postby Lloyd » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:28 pm

- You say what is needed is a current connection to cratering happening now. There's plenty of evidence showing that electric discharge is the most plausible theory of cosmology. But I'll present some of the current electric discharge effects, including cratering, just the same.
- Martian dust devils burn the ground: Burned by a Dust Devil http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050916dustdevil.htm.
- Martian dust storms [a string of dust devils] raise temperature and pit the surface: Martian Dust Devils—Prediction Confirmed http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch07/071025dustdevils.htm.
- Craters on Mars were recently formed by lightning: Lightning Strike on Mars http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/051003marslightning.htm.
- Lightning machines meteors and the ground under them: Meteorite Mysteries http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041119meteorite.htm.
- Lightning evidence on Io: Io's "Volcanoes" Blur Scientific Vision http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch ... ries-4.htm and Electric Jets on Io http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040728electric-io.htm and Io and the “Greatest Surprise” http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041213io-series-1.htm.
- Triton's "Ice Geysers" http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch07/070622tritongeysers.htm and Mars' South Polar Dark Spots and "Geysers" http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch07/070525southpolar.htm and The Moving “Geysers” of Enceladus http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/061108enceladusgeysers.htm and Saturn's Electric Moons http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch07/070618saturnmoons.htm and Jets of Enceladus and http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060313moonjets.htm.
- Lightning creates fulgurites and glassified objects, such as on the moon etc: http://205.243.100.155/frames/longarc.htm#Clinker and http://www.minresco.com/fulgurites/fulgurites.htm%20and%20http://pl and http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050421tektite.htm etc.
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Re: NEW & FULL MOON EARTHQUAKE EFFECTS & THE ELECTRIC UNIVE

Unread postby webolife » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:24 pm

I see strong and compelling evidence that "impact" cratering is actually an electrical discharge phenomenon generally unaccompanied by the finding of buried meteoric fragments of significant size. In fact this is the "normal" finding, ie that there is little evidence of buried meteoric material beneath meteor craters where the impact hypothesis would predict.
That is not my issue... perhaps I'm picturing an incorrect paradigmn for planetary EDM as related to interplanetary electrical circuits. So, Lloyd, are you telling me that the EU paradigm regarding electrical cratering is always associated with near impacts, as I already am picturing? Or would you suggest, as perhaps I have wrongly understood, that electrical interactions across greater distances have produced craters?
Here are the two pictures I am questioning:
1. Crater formation due to discharging meteors vs. impacting meteors... this one I already mostly accept, or
2. Crater formation due to EDM over a somewhat longer period of time, resulting from [changes in] the interplanetary electrical environment... is this the same basic scenario as...
3. Canyon formation due to the same effects described in #2
I may be misunderstanding what I've been reading here for the past few years, so help me out if so...
In short, I mostly accept #1, strongly question #2, and am open but not convinced about #3.
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Re: NEW & FULL MOON EARTHQUAKE EFFECTS & THE ELECTRIC UNIVE

Unread postby Lloyd » Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:21 pm

Here are the two pictures I am questioning:
1. Crater formation due to discharging meteors vs. impacting meteors... this one I already mostly accept, or
2. Crater formation due to EDM over a somewhat longer period of time, resulting from [changes in] the interplanetary electrical environment... is this the same basic scenario as...
3. Canyon formation due to the same effects described in #2
I mostly accept #1, strongly question #2, and am open but not convinced about #3.


- My assumption is that no known craters would require more than ten to thirty minutes to form electrically, even a crater as large as Hudson Bay. It's hard to imagine such a crater taking longer than ten minutes to complete, although I'm not an authority [and I should ask one of our authorities about that].
- The Canyon on Mars, Valles Marineris, should have taken somewhat longer to complete, I think, such as an hour or more. The Atlantic Ocean may have started out as a similar canyon, but 4 or 5 times longer and wider and deeper, but Earth expansion seems to me to account for most of the Atlantic's present width.
- I guess the first question for you is: Do you consider it plausible that planetoids could have had close enough encounters a few thousand years ago to result in discharges powerful enough to carve the initial Atlantic canyon, or the Mars canyon? Can you picture Saturn as having been a brown dwarf star with Earth, Mars and Venus as satellites, and the Saturn system being disrupted violently upon entering the solar system, with Saturn losing much of its former electrical circuit to the much larger sun?
- The second question is: Do you find it plausible that planetoids, stars and galaxies are formed mainly electrically, rather than by gravitation, nuclear fusion, etc? That is, can you conceive of the stars and galaxies as shining and being powered by electrical energy from electrical circuits throughout the universe? Can you picture quasars being born from galaxies as small, nearly massless, very high speed, highly ionized objects that gain mass and slow down and form into neighboring galaxies?
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Re: Electric Currents Between the Moon and Earth

Unread postby MGmirkin » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:14 am

(Astronomers Discover That The Earth's Magnetotail Charges The Surface Of The Moon)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2008 ... e_moon.htm

Astrophysicists found that the moon's surface becomes electrified during each full moon. The moon passes through the Earth's magnetotail, a cone of highly-charged particles, for about 6 days each month. On the side of the moon facing the sun, ultraviolet particles disrupt the electromagnetic effect, keeping the voltage at low levels, but on the dark side, the voltage can reach hundreds or thousands of volts.

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"The surface of the moon can become electrified from charged particles in the surrounding space environment," says Timothy Stubbs, Ph.D., a space scientist at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

This electric event happens once a month when the moon passes through the earth's magnetotail. A magnetotail is caused when the highly-charged particles of the solar wind zoom past the earth and mix with earth's magnetic field, creating a long tail that extends into the moon's orbit. "The moon is actually sitting in a sea of charged particles," Dr. Stubbs says.

Each month, the moon enters the magnetotail for six days. As it crosses inside the magnetotail, the moon's surface becomes highly charged. If astronauts walked across the charged surface, they might feel a static shock -- just like walking across a carpet and then touching a door knob. It's not a deadly shock, but a powerful zap! It's easy to know when the moon is passing through the earth's magnetotail -- just look for a full moon.


Among other things stated in the article...

Gosh, the moon gets a charge. Who'd have thought it? :roll:
Could there possibly be dis-charges at some point? :?:

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Re: Electric Currents Between the Moon and Earth

Unread postby dahlenaz » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:33 pm

MGmirkin wrote:(Astronomers Discover That The Earth's Magnetotail Charges The Surface Of The Moon)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2008 ... e_moon.htm

snip.


Among other things stated in the article...

Gosh, the moon gets a charge. Who'd have thought it? :roll:
Could there possibly be dis-charges at some point? :?:

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This discharging is what I was thinking to be a dz-logical consequence of getting near the tail region where the solar flow is altered, or different than the other regions in the moons orbit. I think its time to start watching for changes in weather activity during those 6-days of close proximity movement. d...z
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Re: NEW & FULL MOON EARTHQUAKE EFFECTS & THE ELECTRIC UNIVE

Unread postby Geogal » Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:50 pm

webolife wrote:After rereading those TPOD's I reach similar conclusions and questions as Geogal.
BTW, Geogal, I am an Earth Science major, teach secondary science and math [31 yrs], love all things geologic, meteorologic, astronomical, and have a theory of instantaneous light action that lends itself very well to EU, hence my coming here a few years ago... nevertheless I am also quite comfortably entrenched in a catastrophic worldview with regard to earth history, so I don't balk at "great flood"ish sounding ideas. The electric star hypothesis, and plasmic planetary interactions generally make sense to me [but I'm not totally sold yet], but I'm still a bit skeptical about megalightning effects of the magnitude described often here by Stephen Smith, et.al.... I'd love to see some real meaty "encounters of the third kind" so-to-speak to sway me more in that direction... meanwhile, like you, I wonder if folks here have cause and effect a bit reversed at times. Interconnectedness of the EU I get, but everything-caused-by-electric-currents I don't.

Hey all... sorry about the long delay in answering. I've been a bit on the busy side. :oops: I feel bad that I haven't answered until now, though. But, I have read some of the responses and been considering and thinking of them.

Webolife, I don't necessarily "balk" at the idea of a great flood, I just don't see evidence matching up, nor with research that I've read and looked up do I find evidence of enough water on the planet to do what is biblically suggested. great floods for limited areas, yes. the entire planet, no. The estimates I've read about the actual amounts of "extra" water we have on this planet is locked up in ice. If all the ice on the planet should melt, the MSL would only rise about 60 meters, or about 200feet. I've heard of ideas and suggestions that there is water locked up beneath all the continents, but from any intercontinental subsurface investigation I've read (such as one for New Madrid fault) there is no evidence of mass amounts of water held deep. So, if I could find evidence that would set a potential to a world wide great flood, then I don't believe I would balk at such a thing.

I've done only a little reading (and very recently) about the megalightening and it leave me with more questions than potential answers. SKeptical yes... I have a vivid imagination and can consider much, but for large bodies to cross so closely, and some suggest only a few thousand years ago, leaves me with a big question as to "why? what? how?" why would it have only happened then and not now? why would there be evidence only here and there? When lightening strikes, you see patterns in where it hits, it's not just occasional and random, though there IS a little of that. I'll assume everyone knows current observed patterns or can look them up. why haven't we seen this kind of activity again? We have plenty of evidence on vast differing ages of different impact sites, and as far as I've read, no pattern within the timing (in case some of the suggestions on the Nibiru order). There is also evidence in many impact sites of "something" being seen/observed at a depth possibly hard to reach for one or more reasons, link as an example of one.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... rater.html

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Re: Interplanetary Electric Discharges & Craters etc

Unread postby Geogal » Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:04 pm

Lloyd wrote:- Geogal [and Webolige too],
- Your theory that the moon plays a role in earthquakes is E.U. related and James McCanney has had that theory for some time, though he's not part of the Thunderbolts team.
- What the Thunderbolts team [and maybe McCanney too] have concluded is that interplanetary electrical discharges a few thousand years ago caused most of the craters, rilles and other features on the solid-surfaced planetoids. These powerful discharges were a result of close encounters among planetoids.
- Ralph Juergens was an electrical engineer who got this idea started in the 70s as per his article at

Lloyd, not to avoid answering the questions re:EU, megalightening as opposed to meteors... but, I'm not seeing the connection between that and moon/earthquake theory. COuld you enlighten me? I see some potentials to lightening being quite powerful and causing some cratering, depending upon certain situations. But, the deepest impact sites are maybe a few hundred feet to about 1000 or so feet deep. Most earthquakes happen over a kilometer beneath the surface, and happen near a known (or previously unknown) fault site. Lightening happens pretty much anywhere that is a good potential for it's happening, and doesn't have a limiting factor like a faultline. Though I find it an interesting concept, I still don't see what it's to do with earthquakes.
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