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Re: NASA observes 100 explosions on the moon

Unread post by StefanR » Thu May 22, 2008 12:47 pm

When a hypervelocity projectile
impacts a target, a light flash is produced at the moment
of first contact. Time-resolved light intensity
curves can be used to determine the starting conditions
of the observed impacts [1,2]. For impacts into metal
targets, the peak intensity of the flash occurs during the
initial projectile penetration, with the signal quickly
decaying [3,4]. Impacts into particulate targets produce
a source of blackbody radiators in addition to the
initial flash. This source extends the resulting light
intensity profile well beyond the time of initial contact.
A time-resolved temperature profile is an additional
useful tool for analyzing the early-time evolution
of an impact based solely on its emitted light. Observed
thermal signatures indicate that the increase in
light intensity to a peak value is dependent on an expanding
radiating source area, not on an increasing
temperature. Impact temperature profiles evolve differently
for various angles and projectile diameters

Observations of the evolution of the
impact flash and resulting thermal plume can be used
to probe the early-time impact process and may be
used to address issues such as the effect of shear heating
in laboratory scale impacts. Frictional shear heating
occurs at the contact between the projectile and the
target surface and appears to increase for more oblique
impacts [6]. Studies of the evolution of the impact
flash and the thermal plume for impacts of different
initial conditions (a, θ, v, and target) can help to address
the role of shear heating in oblique impacts.
These results can be applied to interpret both natural
(Leonid meteors hitting the Moon) and man-made
(NASA’s Deep Impact mission) impacts. Results also
can be compared to computer simulations, since simulations
must be able to reproduce what is seen in the
laboratory and what is seen in larger-scale impacts.

The flash produced during macroscopic
impacts into pumice targets is a prolonged phenomenon
that extends well beyond the initial penetration
of the projectile into the target surface. Observations
of the impact flash and the thermal plume provide
useful information about the initial impact conditions.
If both light intensity and temperature are recorded
over time, the surface area of the radiating source can
be studied. Together, this information can be integrated
to gain a better understanding of the early-time
impact process.
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Re: NASA observes 100 explosions on the moon

Unread post by Krackonis » Thu May 22, 2008 2:34 pm

I would believe that the most information about this article is what it doesn't say.

Explore the relationships of the Moon, the Sun and the Earth during the prominent impact times and see if there is a correlation.

That would most certainly remove impacts as a source of the 'hits' unless for some reason there is a field of asteroids orbiting us we do not see.

Either would be good to find out.
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Re: NASA observes 100 explosions on the moon

Unread post by webolife » Thu May 22, 2008 2:42 pm

Spot on!
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Now "water on Moon", shortly after Mercury

Unread post by FS3 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:53 pm

Fresh from the Scientific American: ... ter&sc=rss

Moon Once Harbored Water, Lunar Lava Beads Show
Researchers have found the first evidence of past water on the moon: trace water molecules trapped in glassy, volcanic pebbles brought back to Earth by Apollo astronauts in the 1960s and early 1970s.

The pebbles, known as lunar volcanic glasses, were formed more than three billion years ago when molten underground rock (magma) erupted from the lunar surface in fiery sprays and solidified.

Using a highly sensitive type of mass spectrometry, which sorts particles by size and charge, researchers scanned the lunar samples for elements and molecules that boil at low temperatures, referred to as volatiles.

Along with water, they discovered chlorine, fluoride and sulfur in the 0.1- to 0.2-millimeter glasses (0.1 millimeter is four thousandths of an inch). The concentration of all the volatiles decreased toward the edges of the samples, indicating that they were not Earthly contaminants.

What the pattern does indicate, the researchers report in Nature, is that the gases were in the process of bubbling out of the magma droplets like soda fizz when they solidified into beads.

The concentration of water in the lunar glasses was 46 parts per million—hardly enough...
After all it looks like the similar "electrochemical sputtering" mechanism, we do know from comet comas and the surface of Mercury.

And again someone pretends to see "lava on the Moon".

Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn´t the small concentration of water in the spherules similar to those found here, on Earth? Which might indicate further that the water inside was produced right there where the spherules were generated. By means of a discharge...



Unread post by lizzie » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:03 am

This is a new theory from my friend, “Geogal”; we would love to receive feedback from anyone here about its technical merits because it is currently a “work in progress” model and needs to be developed/refined, with the help of those who understand the “technicals” of the Electric Universe.

I would welcome your comments please, and hope you like this because I feel it contributes greatly to the validation of the EU".

Thank you, Lizzie


Picture this if you will.

Consider the solar wind to be a stream with two rocks in a stream; one larger "rock" (earth) is stationary and the other smaller "rock" (moon) is moving in the upstream direction and "orbiting" the bigger. As the moving smaller rock is coming into the upstream flow of the bigger, it creates a sort of solar wind cavity immediately behind it. But, there is MORE interference of the flow pattern moving around it and hitting the bigger rock than while it is moving in front of the bigger. The same thing happens as it is moving out of the upstream flow pattern. Now, imagine that the down stream flow may physically take running water down a slide. Again, same rocks and reverse placement; the smaller rock is moving in the downstream direction of the bigger. Again, as the flow hits the smaller, as it passes behind or leaves the downstream side of earth, there is possibly some rebound towards the bigger, a welling up of the water, in a sense, but there is also interference in the downstream flow of the larger, or interference, as it enters the magnetotail. As the smaller rock is directly behind the bigger, there is LESS hitting it to rebound but more magnetotail interference. The same happens as it is leaving the downstream side of the bigger.

The solar wind is not the type of wind we experience here on earth. I know you know this, but bear with me. It's part of my thought forming process. The solar wind moves out from the sun in directed paths, if you will... sort of straight lines, but with more directed flow patterns, while wind on earth is wild, chaotic, without specific direction and often whirling patterns. It's the reason I chose a stream and water for my visual. A stream of water is directed flow patterns (it can have whirls, eddies, etc, but in the surface you see those only at particular places where rocks cause a disturbance), but in a stream of water without interferences you get directed paths and movement in semi-straight paths, much like I envision the solar wind. There's a strong basis for the earth's magnetotail causing moon-quakes, but why is this only considered to be a one-way effect and not an interaction between the two bodies. ... -moon.html
"Earth's tides and external geomagnetic fields are shown to be significantly related to large earthquakes. A possible triggering mechanism is proposed to explain the large solar and lunar variations observed in the number of the examined shocks."
A possible moon link has been proposed often, but tends to not be followed up or much faith placed in it, probably since it is not a constant repetitive each month at similar magnitudes and quantities. But, according to just how our sun changes sometimes dramatically from day to day, the energy traveling towards earth cannot remain at any kind of constant, unlike the predictability of the moon's orbit around our planet. Bow shock would easily explain daily and monthly variations in the levels of energy not only hitting the magnetosphere, but potentially hitting the planet and passing through the planet.
"Planetary Bow Shocks ... etbow(10)/

The study of planetary bow shocks provides important insight both into the behavior of collisionless shocks and into the nature of the planetary obstacle to the solar wind flow. Since the flow velocity of the solar wind at each of the planets exceeds the velocity of the compression waves in the solar wind plasma, i.e., exceeds the fast magnetosonic velocity, a shock wave must form in front of each planet if it does not absorb the incoming flow. The shock wave slows the flow, heats it and deflects it. This layer of deflected and heated flow we call the planetary magnetosheath." ... s/moon.pdf
"The results suggest that not only can a bow shock and magnetopause form around the small anomalies, but their position and shape can change dramatically with changes in the solar wind conditions."
One of the examples of a recent suggested link is from Hawaii, October 15, 2006.

A Mw6.7 was recorded and felt on the big island, while the moon was seen passing directly overhead. This lends strength to the older hypothesis placed by James Berkland, who claims a 75% hit ratio during the month focusing on earthquakes happening in set magnitudes during a set period (matter of days) before or after the new and full moon ... ake_2.html
as well as the 2003 report by Iwata and Katao mathematically proving the link between increases in microearthquakes and new/full moon phases after a major earthquake event such as Kobe 1995.

I just have this feeling that one of the things we aren't seeing in the pictures and discussed is the actual connections between the three objects and energy flows and exchanges. The solar wind and the particles released tend to be "invisible" to the naked eye, and therefore, not thought of as strong. There's no existing visual that I know of between the three. But, if we really do think of magma as plasma, then the energy released from the sun (especially in particles that can travel through objects like gamma rays), can possibly cause the plasma-magma to "excite" keeping it hot and flowing. Is the earth at just the right placement from the sun, and does it have just the right construction, including the moon, that the energy we receive maintains the balance between being too hot for life and a tectonically dead planet like Mars? The moon certainly shows its effects on the tides every month, and twice as strong at perigee. Is the combination between the sun's particles and energy and the moon's interference and pull a larger reason why we have earthquakes, plate movement, magma movement in the mantel, and possibly even volcanic episodes?
"Global Hybrid Simulations of the Solar Wind
Interaction with the Earth’s Moon ... -05890.pdf

Results of our study suggest that kinetic processes occur in the Moon’s wake-tail beyond the ideal MHD description. For example, counterstreaming and anisotropic ion distributions in the moon’s downstream tail refilling region represent unstable plasma configurations that excite different types of wave modes whose nature depends on the structure of the tail (i.e., on the orientation of the IMF). Initial analyses of these waves for the different cases studied thus far indicate the presence of temperature anisotropy driven electromagnetic emissions."
Here's the basic data. I'm only considering quantity at the moment. Strength of the episodes will be considered later. But, for a point of fact, it is a well established theory that many smaller earthquakes can add up to larger ones within days to about a week or so following.

Source for earthquake data was USGS.

The data only covers earthquakes from Mw4 and greater worldwide and Mw2.5 and greater for the United States. The maximum number of earthquakes in a day was 50 while the minimum was 4. Note: Average eq/day is 20 from raw data, but actual daily average is about 12 ignoring high times like the July new moon. The minimum number of eq/day during the month, except around a new moon and just prior or post a full moon tends to fall between these two averages.

July 3 was a new moon (the most extreme I have data for). For two days prior (that I have data for) and six days after, there were elevated earthquake events. But, a plot of the numbers would show a double peak AROUND the dates. Afterwards, the data goes back to an approximate average per day. The double peak appears to be a somewhat common occurrence during new moon, as it's seen again in late August.

New moon's
date #eq
7/01 50
7/02 35
7/03 30 New moon date
7/04 23
7/05 31
7/06 46
7/07 25
7/08 42
7/09 28
7/10 10

7/29 11
7/30 6
7/31 8
8/01 12 New moon date
8/02 27
8/03 23
8/04 13

8/26 14
8/27 24
8/28 29
8/29 17
8/30 17 New moon date
8/31 9
9/01 33
9/02 25
9/03 26
9/04 24
9/05 22
9/06 32
9/07 15 waxing moon date

The full moon has a similar minor peak just prior or post, but doesn't appear at the moment to be both pre and post on the same full moon phase.


It appears that just before and just after the date of the new moon there's a greater chance for more earthquakes. Therefore, the hypothesized interference of the solar wind by the moon while traveling between the earth and sun has a very possible bearing, but the interference is potentially lesser at the actual date of the new moon. The full moon appears to have interference either just prior or post the date of the full moon as well, but doesn't appear to be as strong of an occurrence.
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Unread post by lizzie » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:37 am

Additional References:

Planetary Bow Shock ... etbow(10)/

(See above – this is a good link although it does not work due to its length)

Does the Moon have a Wind? ... ype=thread
Does the moon receive significant Solar Wind? Would it also interact with earth's magnetotail depending on the time of the month?
Interaction of the Solar Wind with the Planets
The solar wind impinges upon an Earth which is "protected" by its magnetic field. To a first approximation we can consider this a dipole field - angled slightly to the Earth's spin axis and somewhat offset from centre. The charged particles of the solar wind are deflected by this magnetic field, so that the earth's field effectively forms a barrier, and we can say that the Earth is insulated from the particles of the solar wind by this protective barrier. The outer limit of the Earth's field influence is known as the "magnetopause". The volume within, where the earth's field dominates, is the "magnetosphere."
Plasma Interactions ... 93&page=46
Plasma populations throughout the universe interact with solid bodies, gases, magnetic fields, electromagnetic radiation, magnetohydrodynamic waves, shock waves, and other plasma populations. These interactions can occur locally as well as on very large scales between objects such as galaxies, stars, and planets. They can be loosely classified into electromagnetic interactions, flow-object interactions, plasma-neutral interactions, and radiation-plasma interactions.
Magnetospheres in the Solar System
A magnetosphere is a comet tail-shaped region of ionized and magnetized plasma, associated with a planet or a moon, linked to the interaction of the planet with the solar wind. As far as moons are concerned, our Moon, Jupiter's Ganymede and Callisto are the sole bodies to have been found with a magnetic field and/or a magnetosphere. All magnetic fields of these bodies are of type magneto.
What Happens When the Solar Wind Collides with Obstacles Such as Planets or Comets? ... /swq5.html
Since the solar wind flows past the planets and other sizeable objects supersonically, the slowing and deflection of the flow about the obstacle is frequently accomplished by means of a shock wave. Normally, waves would propagate upstream of the obstacle to communicate its existence to the incident gas, but with supersonic flow the waves aren't fast enough. The supersonic flow sweeps waves downstream, so the wind does not know about an obstacle until it "collides" with it. We therefore need a bow shock to deflect the supersonic flow and divert it around the obstacle. A bow shock is similar to a bow wave about a rock in a fast moving stream.
The Moon: A Unique Laboratory for Study of the Fundamental Physics of Magnetized Collisionless Plasmas.
The interaction of solar wind, magnetosheath, and magnetotail plasmas with the Moon is important for fundamental (space) plasma physics studies. First, the Moon has numerous patches of surface magnetic fields, ranging in size from kilometer scale, well below the solar wind thermal ion gyro-diameter, to hundreds of kilometers, large enough to produce fluid magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) behavior. Thus, studies of the plasma interactions with these magnetic patches allow us to explore the fundamental physics of the transition from kinetic to fluid (MHD) scales and the related phenomena of shock formation.
What’s the Moon Got to do with It?
Just About Everything!
The Moon influences almost every area of life on earth. Its gravitational pull causes the ocean’s tides. Its electro-magnetic influence affects the way we think and feel.

Electrodynamics is the Answer. Many scientists explain the relationship between life on Earth and the Moon’s cycles this way: All life is electrical in nature, and throughout Nature there is an electrical rhythm that coincides with the Moon’s Cycles. All plants and animals have special cycles, and we can use the Moon as a simple guide to living and working in accordance with these cycles and the natural rhythms of life.
Observations of Moon-Plasma Interactions by Orbital and Surface Experiments ... 0592.shtml
Extensive magnetic field observations together with crucial plasma measurements by the Explorer 35 lunar orbiter and Apollo surface and orbital experiments have established the basic nature of the moon’s interaction with the solar wind and interplanetary magnetic field. The effective absorption of the incident solar wind by the moon creates a plasma void or cavity behind the moon. The cavity-associated magnetic signature is characterized by an enhancement in magnetic field magnitude B within the cavity as compared with the mean level of B in the surrounding interplanetary plasma and dips or decreases in B near the cavity boundaries with the solar wind. The axis of the lunar wake is aberrated from the moon-sun line by the relative velocity of the solar wind with respect to the moon, and the cross section of the wake is elliptical, reflecting the anisotropic propagation of magnetoacoustic waves in the solar wind.
Loss of Solar Wind Plasma Neutrality and Affects on Surface Potentials Near the Lunar Terminator and Shadowed Polar Regions ... 2653.shtml
As the solar wind is absorbed on the lunar dayside, a clear and obvious plasma void is created in the anti-solar direction that extends many lunar radii behind the Moon. Plasma adjacent to this void will expand into the depleted region and this process is modeled here using a particle-in-cell code. It is found that thermal electrons will diffuse into the void ahead of the ions, creating a break in plasma quasi-neutrality. In essence, immediately trailing behind the lunar terminator/polar regions there is a magnetic-field aligned E-field peaking near 400 mV/m associated with a standing double-layer, this layer consisting of fast thermal electrons (electron cloud) moving into the central void ahead of an ion-enhanced layer.
Magnetospheric Protons and Electrons Encountered by the Moon in the Plasma Sheet
During its passage through the geomagnetic tail, the Moon encounters the plasma sheet. Properties of plasma sheet electrons and protons, first detected at lunar distances by Explorer 35, are described. Implications for migration of grains on the lunar surface are also pointed out and it is suggested that strong terrestrial polar winds in the early history of the Earth-Moon system may have caused some erosion of the Earth-facing side of the Moon, and that gravitational shielding of interplanetary rock flux by the Earth may also be an explanation of the relative smoothness of the front side.
Blasts of Magnetic Energy between the Earth and the Moon Illuminate Skies
According to the researchers, the blasts of energy that occur 1/3 the way between our planet and the moon, power the substorms thus causing wavy radiances and quick movements of the northern lights. It is worth mentioning that magnetic substorms can have an impact on the electrical systems of our planet. These substorms can knock out satellites and cause a disruption of electricity and transmission systems. A similar effect is caused by sudden discharges of plasma from the Sun.

Substorms are caused by magnetic reconnection, which represents a process that commonly takes place across the universe when stressed magnetic field lines spontaneously form a new shape, resembling an overstretched rubber band.

The Moon: Earthquakes ... p?POP=2848
That tells you when the moon is highest and lowest in the sky at a particular month. And these are times, especially around the times of new moon or full moon, when it’s possible that there might be a greater triggering mechanism for earthquakes.
Earthquakes and the Time of Day and Moon Phase ... n99048.htm
Question: Over the years I have noticed that most major earthquakes seem to happen in the early morning hours between 12:00 midnight and 6:00 a.m. Is there any truth in this observation? Could there be a correlation between full and new moon and the frequency of earthquakes (land tides)?
Solar and Lunar Triggers on Earthquakes and Volcanic Eruptions
Many plate tectonics theorists dismiss lunar effects, because tides have little effect on the Earth's crust. They criticize any correlation between maximum global tidal forces and quake regions where local tides are not at a maximum, or can even be at a minimum. Meanwhile, studies of lunar phase triggers in 21 earthquakes show that fourteen occurred at the Quarter Phase, five at Full Moon, and two followed an eclipse. Interestingly, the majority of Quarter-Phase quakes took place in the Southeast, in the region of Baton Rouge, Louisiana to Columbia, South Carolina, which surrounds the North Atlantic Field's stem. In contrast, California earthquakes, which are triggered by the dynamics of the descending limb of the Field, show a peak with a three- to four-day delay.
The Moon and the Magnetotail ... totail.htm
"Earth's magnetotail extends well beyond the orbit of the Moon and, once a month, the Moon orbits through it," says Tim Stubbs, a University of Maryland scientist working at the Goddard Space Flight Center. "This can have consequences ranging from lunar 'dust storms' to electrostatic discharges."
Diamagnetic Solar-Wind Cavity Discovered behind Moon ... /3804/1040
Preliminary Ames-magnetometer data from Explorer 35, the lunar orbiter, show no evidence of a lunar bow shock. However, an increase of the magnetic field by about 1.5 gamma (over the interplanetary value) is evident on Moon's dark side, as well as dips in field strength at the limbs. Interpretation of these spatial variations in the field as deriving from plasma diamagnetism is consistent with a plasma void on the dark side, and steady-state (B = 0) magnetic transparency of Moon.
Lunar Surface Magnetic Fields and Their Interaction with the Solar Wind: Results from Lunar Prospector ... /5382/1480
This finding provides further evidence for the hypothesis that basin-forming impacts result in magnetization of the lunar crust at their antipodes. The crustal magnetic fields of the Imbrium antipode region are strong enough to deflect the solar wind and form a miniature (100 to several hundred kilometers across) magnetosphere, magnetosheath, and bow shock system.
Global Kinetic Simulations of the Interaction between the Solar Wind and the Moon
A density depletion region is formed on the Moon’s nightside when the solar wind interacts and flows past the lunar surface, which acts as a diamagnetic obstacle removing plasma from the solar wind.

Dusty and Nonnuetral Plasma
The solar wind interaction with the moon creates a plasma void which infills, and the details of this infilling process are studied in this paper. The evolution of the lunar wake in simplified geometry can be simulated via a 1 1/2D electromagnetic particle-in-cell code. By using a sufficient number of particles per cell, we are able, for the first time, to resolve the full phase space dynamics of both electrons and ions. This simulation begins immediately downstream of the moon, before the solar wind has infilled the wake region, then evolves in the solar wind rest frame.
Inconstant Moon
The Moon's orbit around the Earth is elliptical, with a substantial eccentricity (as major Solar System bodies go) of 5.49%. In addition, the tidal effect of the Sun's gravitational field increases the eccentricity when the orbit's major axis is aligned with the Sun-Earth vector or, in other words, the Moon is full or new.

The Moon's orbit is inclined 5.145396° with regard to the ecliptic (the plane in which the Earth's orbit around the Sun lies or, more precisely, the plane in which the centre of gravity of the Earth-Moon system [its barycentre] orbits the Sun), so as seen from the centre of the Earth the Moon drifts up and down slightly more than five degrees in the course of each orbit. The dark grey wedge shows the limits of the Moon's excursion above and below the plane of the ecliptic.
Gravitational Waves and Their Interaction with Electro-Magnetic Radiation
Is this because the gravitational waves are changing the shape of the space which the electromagnetic waves are passing through? Or is it because of a direct interaction between the gravitational waves and the electromagnetic waves?
Gravity Waves and Earthquakes ... 721258.700
CATACLYSMIC events that release large amounts of energy are not only felt at the point where they strike. Here on Earth, for example, an earthquake will send seismic waves echoing around the world. These disturbances of the Earth's crust distort the rocks through which they pass, and can transfer some of the earthquake's energy to the far side of the world. Seismic waves illustrate three characteristics common to all types of wave: they are created by an event that releases energy; the disturbance is passed from one place to another at a finite speed through a connecting medium; and they transfer energy from the original disturbance to other bodies.
An "Earth-planet" or "Earth-star" couplet as a gravitational wave antenna ... 489-1.html
An "Earth-planet" or "Earth-star" couplet can be considered as a gravitational wave antenna. There, in such an antenna, a gravitational wave should lead to a peak in the microseismic background spectrum on the Earth (one of the ends of the antenna). This paper presents numerous observational results on the Earth's microseismic background. The microseismic spectrum, being compared to the distribution of the relative location of the nearest stars, found a close peak-to-peak correspondence. Hence such peaks can be a manifestation of an oscillation in the couplet "Earth-star" caused by gravitational waves arriving from the cosmos.

Use the following simplest model. Focus on two gravitationally-connected objects such as the couplets "Earth-Moon", "Earth-Jupiter", "Earth-Saturn", "Earth-Sun", or "Earth-star" (a near star is meant). Such a couplet can be considered as a gravitational wave antenna. A gravitational wave, falling down onto such an antenna, should produce an oscillation in the system that leads to a peak in the microseismic back-ground spectrum of the Earth (one of the ends of the antenna)

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Unread post by moses » Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:41 pm

This forum has had a few discussions on this topic. Here's one: ... wind#p6464



Unread post by lizzie » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:53 pm

Thanks, Mo. That is very helpful.



Unread post by Divinity » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:35 am

Lizzie, it would appear that the author has put in a lot of hard work and effort into this research. A question for the Mods, please, if possible:

Because the EU is a relatively new theory and new phenomena are being explained every day, as and when new theories/hypotheses arise (particularly from members of the public) perhaps it might be a good idea to post them in a central archive on the forum? I'm thinking that the authors of the EU may like, at some point, to consider putting these new theories up for peer review (if they pass the EU boffins' approval) to validate the theory further and help the cause?

One of the reasons I say this is because I recall reading from this group:

which David Thompson runs, that he is very happy for people to 'add on' or bolt on to the existing knowledge of the Electric Universe - in fact, it's something he encourages.

What do you think? Thanks.




Unread post by Geogal » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:49 am

Divinity wrote:Lizzie, it would appear that the author has put in a lot of hard work and effort into this research.
Yes, it was. It was also a compilation of a few peoples work. The basic hypothesis, idea and writng is mine, but a few people put a LOT of effort into some of the background supporting information. I'm very new to the EU theory. A friend on another forum has been chatting with me for a few months now about it. I am a geologist and an engineer, and once I started to get a picture in my head of EU theory, it seemed natural to apply it to practical world knowledge and happenings. That's when I began to gather some data. I really do appreciate any comments and ideas on if anyone can see anything wrong with my hypothesis. Thanks!

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Unread post by webolife » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:10 pm

Welcome, Geogal.
I like the fact that from the get-go you are proposing that effects of the Moon-Earth interaction go beyond gravitation only, opening the door immediately for discussion of plasma currents, electric fields, and the like. Also, in terms of the electric field of the earth-moon system, the interaction of the two bodies should exhibit symmetric effects.
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Unread post by Geogal » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:32 pm

webolife wrote:Welcome, Geogal.
I like the fact that from the get-go you are proposing that effects of the Moon-Earth interaction go beyond gravitation only, opening the door immediately for discussion of plasma currents, electric fields, and the like. Also, in terms of the electric field of the earth-moon system, the interaction of the two bodies should exhibit symmetric effects.
Thanks, Webolife, for the warm welcome.
the earth-moon interaction can only partly be explained by gravity. It's only a single force and the moon is so specific and periodic in it's timing we can calc it's perigee and apogee with each phase down to what the minute the moon hits actual "full" and therefor spring tides? It's gravity effects are calc'd to be pretty specific as well. It's location at different times over northern or southern hemisphere is also a well established fact. If that were all there was to it, then it would be pretty easy to figure when and where earthquakes would hit, or the USGS's official view would be correct (meaning no connection provable). But, there's too much info out there that connects the timing and quantity of earthquakes, there's too many people who can have a pretty reasonable call on the approx of when and where.
I believe that the size of our moon and the fact our planet has one has a lot to do with the core spinning, the magnetic effects that causes, how that certainly affects the mantels and their actions. Therefor, gravity is a real and strong effect.
Gravity is a pull or force between bodies, but there is measurable levels of electricity in humans, in the earth... even within the measurable "gravity" between two atoms there is an exchange of electrons, or a sort of electrical connection as well.
So, it just kinda ends up making sense that there is something within this all that is electrical and plasma of a sort. I'm sure you've all already read about the ULF's that can be measured prior to an earthquake, part of the entire study that NASA is planning with the satellites to try and give warning for when and where an earthquake can strike. The ULF's have been measurable since the 60's. Japan is heavily into funding study for earthquake research and entire teams of geologists and into measuring them. There's even an earthquake related ULF company close to where I live in Palo Alto, California. There is a strong beginning in at very least the geology field towards belief and practical use of EU. It's still at it's infancy, pretty much, but it's growing.
Sorry about the ramble. I sometimes type off the top of my head.

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Unread post by MGmirkin » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:17 pm

Welcome, Geogal! Always good to see new faces... Hopefully your stay is a long and pleasant one!

I assume you've probably perused the "Plasma & Electricity from Micro To Macro & Beyond" thread from way-back ( a couple months ago, now)... There are a few good press releases with respect to Earth-> Moon plasma tail interaction. One wonders if the opposite is true? Though I haven't seem much on the "other direction," IE, what effect might the Moon's magnetotail or plasma sheath (if it's gone one or both) have on the Earth? Channel a little extra charge into the upper atmosphere? Maybe that creates some equivalent movements of charge in the ground? Extra lightning? Extra EQ's? Etc...

Just a thought. Haven't had time to peruse the (apparently copious!) links yet... Seems interesting. I know that Dahlenaz (another forum member) Has had similar ideas re: what he called the "hypersensitive solar system." IE, if bodies interact electrically, there might be correlations between various geometries and other events like EQ's, lightning, etc. Don't know how far he's taken it all...

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Unread post by seasmith » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:00 pm


Was Dahlenaz's (another forum member) thread recovered ?


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Unread post by MGmirkin » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:19 pm

seasmith wrote:~

Was Dahlenaz's (another forum member) thread recovered ?

Not sure... Not seeing it listed on the forum currently. Will have to check my archive to see if I salvaged it or not from Google (no guarantees)...

Anyway, here's another place some info is stashed:

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