Sprites, Jets, and Elves

[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Sprites... Reply with quote
OP "Eres"

GREAT FIND Eres, truly a great find! I don't think I've seen any photos as good as these for complete pictures of sprites. I think this one's a real beauty: http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Gallery/G ... 50118.html
Gotta be fodder for a TPOD.
Cheers, Dave.
PS when I tried to copy it it said "Access Denied"

I have not found this problem to copy it.
Thanks for the enthusiastic feedback davesmith
In effects also to me they have seemed very interesting.
I don't know if you have also seen the brief video of sprites click on low to the right of the images in the principal pages of images. Is possible save also the videos.
In effects they look as if these sprites stretches on zones of fair weather, but like Wal answered me, these sprites probably has locate to most far offshore above the Pacific Ocean (you have to consider the big height to which they develop) places above any thunderstorm, not observable.

Also this lightning (for exactness upward lightning) seem very interesting to me:

http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Kaminari/ ... 7.2.2.html

And the complete summary:

http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Sprite%20 ... mmary.html

I repeat, seem to me that this is a electrical very active zone that if studied could lead to many new discoveries in the development of the earthling global electric circuit.

Greetings

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[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: and Smithy grabs the ball but lofts it over to Michael... Reply with quote
OP "davesmith_au"

http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Sprite%20 ... mmary.html

I repeat, seem to me that this is a electrical very active zone that if studied could lead to many new discoveries in the development of the earthling global electric circuit.

(emphasis mine DS)

This sounds like a job for, mgmirkinman...

A couple of good maps with sprites plotted per month, seems just up your alley Michael....

Cheers, Dave.
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[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "lite-brite"

Totally amazing.

My favorite:

http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Gallery/G ... car01.html

(click to view larger image)

wmv

http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Gallery/G ... 011525.wmv

[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: Wowee! Reply with quote
OP "mgmirkin"

Very interesting videos.
With regard to this interesting argument I want segnalize these electric links (in Japanese) of images and videos of sprites (also meteors and lightnings) that I to the time of my searches on these electric phenomenons had also segnalized to Wal Thornhill:

http://usjma.jp/~sprite/sprite2005.11pic.html

http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Sprite%20 ... .3.13.html

http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Gallery/G ... yhome.html

http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Gallery/G ... car01.html

In third link click on left where written new.

As seem these phenomenons in the area of Japan are rather frequent.

Actually I'm most enamored of this image:

(click to view larger image)
http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Gallery/G ... Fai01.html



You've got an extraordinarily bright upward branch... BUT, you've also got a dimmer set of downward branches. Makes me think that whatever's going on is taking place somewhere in the middle. All branches lead outward from there, yeah?

For some reason, it reminds me of the prototypical "thunderbolt of the gods" (IE, a bi-lobed "pinch"-ish structure)... Probably just coincidence.

http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch ... bolt-1.htm
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch ... bolt-2.htm
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch ... htning.htm


(This one's got some small dim branches at the bottom as well, plus the tops seem to be very diffuse in their dissipation. How odd!)
http://www.usjma.jp/~kaminari/Gallery/G ... car01.html

Cheers,
~Michael

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[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Sprites... Reply with quote
OP "mgmirkin"

PS when I tried to copy it it said "Access Denied"

Not to suggest doing anything untoward, but try right-clicking it and selecting "view image" to get just that image in the browser. Then try right clicking again and select "save as" or "save image as." Or just go up to the file menu (once you have ONLY the jpeg in the bowser window) and click "save as" or some such. Works fine for me on Firefox. your mileage may vary on other browsers. Most should have similar features though.

If you still have problems I can e-mail you a copy (for personal "fair use").

Cheers,
~Michael

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[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: and Smithy grabs the ball but lofts it over to Michael.. Reply with quote
OP "mgmirkin"

This sounds like a job for, mgmirkin-man...

Cheers, Dave.

Like wow man, I've been promoted to a super-hero!

Cool.

Sadly, I don't have the technology to map sprites. Though it seems like the Japanese do?? We really are behind the times in the USA... I wish NASA et al would stop wasting time speculating about water on Mars, and do some more studies on Earth's big ol' electric circuit. LOTS to be learned!

~Michael Gm.

P.S. I rather like the MST3K super-hero "Man-man!" He has all the powers of a man, but he's just a man... Heh. Okay, I'm done...

[bboyer]

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:41 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "Eres"

As I had previously written already, it seems as if this area is electrically very active, the area of Japan is known as one of the more active seismic and volcanic areas of the Earth, for which I wonder me; could there be a some linking between the two phenomena electric and seismic-volcanic? This is only an idea that jumped out me to the sudden one, nothing more

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[bboyer]

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "Plasmatic MnemoHistory"

Kon ban wa Eres sama<Im glad to see someone from your rich heritage contributing here! Here are some TPOD on that subject

http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch ... hquake.htm

http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch ... htning.htm

siyonara "spelling?"
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[bboyer]

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "Eres"

Kon ban wa Eres sama<Im glad to see someone from your rich heritage contributing here! Here are some TPOD on that subject
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch ... hquake.htm
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch ... htning.htm
siyonara "spelling?"

Thanks for the good links PlasmaticMnemoHystory. However I am not Japanese and therefore I have not understood what you have written to the beginning of your post
It is always a pleasure to be able to offer a proper pontage, especially in this field of the natural electric phenomena still today so few and badly investigated and known, because of a diffused ignorance and indifference toward this immense natural force.
In effects for how much the modern geophysics doesn't recognize it yet, the facts seem to confirm that this linking exists between electromagnetic fields and earthquakes. On the matter I signal you this writ (in Italian, I hope for you has a translator) on the relationship between earthquakes and premonitory electromagnetic signals.

http://www.loscrittoio.it/Pages/CF-1205.html

Sayonara

[bboyer]

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "Plasmatic MnemoHistory"

Sorry for the assumption,I thought I read "here" in Japan .
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[bboyer]

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "arc-us"

(click to view larger image)

http://sky-fire.tv/index.cgi/spritegallery.html

[bboyer]

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:50 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "mgmirkin"

amazing, just amazing.

For some reason, it reminds me of the prototypical "thunderbolt of the gods" (IE, a bi-lobed "pinch"-ish structure)... Probably just coincidence.
(mgmirkin)

probably just coincidence. ha.

i suspect that's exactly what we're looking at, albeit on a smaller scale. food for thought: my initial hunch is it appears as if the air has a "layer" of sorts where different amounts of ionization meet.

Double layer, you mean? IE, plasma's method of separating regions of different charge, elements, energy, etc? So, perhaps these are "something" interacting with a double layer in the atmosphere? Or just an "exploding double layer," perhaps? Heh. Nah, too small for that... Probably?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_layer

notice below the boundary, the current pinches down into a lichtenberg figure, as lightning does because of the air's high resistance. above that boundary, the air is presumably more conductive, leading to structures similar to the "plasma shapes" we all know and love.

here's hoping this thread makes this week's "top of the charts".

Keep in mind, or bring to mind, the fact that lightning progresses in "steps" (hence the term "stepped leader" for the leading edge of the downward bolt from the sky). These steps generally seem to be highly quantized. As you say, there may well be "layers" in the atmosphere, that lead to this quantized effect, and to the fact that there seem to be layers or boundaries in "sprites." Now, I might be off base, but the fact that lightning seems to be so quantized in the movement of its leading edge just makes me wonder the usual "why?" IE, is it having to "pool behind" or "break through" a layer in order to rush down to the next? I don't know. Again, I may be off base, and it may just be a red herring. Still... Look up "stepped leader" online for a description of what I'm on about. I think I've probably posted some links elsewhere on the forums.

But, just in case, here are some WP links. Very rough, but will do in a pinch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepped_leader
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_streamer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_leader

Cheers,
~Michael

[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "mgmirkin"

(Another article, with some info & a new version of the video...)
http://www.livescience.com/environment/ ... crets.html
http://www.livescience.com/php/video/pl ... 607sprites

~Michael

[bboyer]

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "upriver"

Here is the closest lightning picture that i can find.
http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/pho ... g%202a.jpg

Its interesting because of the dim leader on the right hand side.

If you look carefully you can see bright knots at the corners of the leader.

And its not really stepped , it really called a kinked or a snakey z-pinch.

On page 2 of this paper he talks about that type of pinch.

Cosmic ray spectrum above 10^15 eV (a new approach)
A.A. Petrukhin
Moscow Engineering Physics Institute, Moscow 115409, Russia
Presenter: A.A. Petrukhin (petruhin@nevod.mephi.ru), rus-petrukhin-AA-abs1-og12-oral
A new approach to cosmic ray description based on the model of particle generation and acceleration in plasma pinches and on supposition that a new state of matter appears in cosmic ray interactions above 10^15 eV is considered. Consequences for various aspects of cosmic ray physics and some possibilities to check this hypothesis are discussed.
http://icrc2005.tifr.res.in/htm/Vol-Web ... 2-oral.pdf
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[bboyer]

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "pln2bz"

Not sure what it means, or if this is even redundant, but check this out ...

http://arxiv.org/abs/0708.2947