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Blue Jet filmed from space station

Unread postby bdw000 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:02 pm

Some here may find this new video of a blue jet from space interesting:

http://space.io9.com/weve-never-filmed-a-blue-jet-from-space-until-today-1730856810
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Re: Blue Jet filmed from space station

Unread postby Maol » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:07 pm

The link in the post above caused my computer to have a spasm, something there it didn't like.

This is a link to the video posted by NASA in YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY5F_gEexAY

Published on Sep 11, 2015

In the THOR experiment of the IRISS Mission Andreas Mogensen captures lightning, blue jets and sprites from the International Space Station.

Andreas Mogensen has filmed a thunderstorm over India from the Cupola, a glass compartment underneath the Space Station. The film shows lightning illuminating the clouds, a blue jet (up to 50 km altitude) and Red Sprites (60-80 km altitude).

THOR is a collaboration between the Technical University of Denmark, National Space Institute (DTU Space), Danish Meteorological Institute, Commisariate a l’Energie Atomique and Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya, Israel. It is conducted with ESA and NASA from the International Space Station.

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Sprites above a hurricane

Unread postby kell1990 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:42 am

http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_up ... _id=129751

These sprites are very unusual, in that they occur above a hurricane. This is not normally seen. Does anyone here have any idea as to why they are happening in this particular hurricane?
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Re: Sprites above a hurricane

Unread postby JouniJokela » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:05 am

I think I have.

According to my analyse it's impossible that ie. the Water of noctilucent Clouds comes from evaporation;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noctilucent_cloud
These clouds are at 75-85 km height.
But I can't see any possibility that any water can raise through Stratosphere 12-55 km, It simply seems thermodynamically impossible. And to point out; "the stratosphere lacks the weather-producing air turbulence"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospher ... ratosphere

But, then, If I look the molecular structure at these heights, I noticed that the Maximum amount of Free Hydrogen is at approx 90 km height. But this amount decreases extreme rapidly to "nothing" at about height of 75 km.
My study about this;
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _derivates

So it seems very plausible that this hydrogen is oxidized by free Oxygen atoms. The temperature being too low that Hydrogen would "burn", which means, it would be able to break O2-molecule. And just to make the obvious thing clear to everyone; Oxidited hydrogen is Water.

But what this have anything to with "Sprites above a Hurricane"? Well, it's another supporting observation for the idea, that Material is continuously fusioned in the high atmosphere. This Fusion doesn't need even need very high temperatures, it rather need's a low pressure. Though actually the concepts like "Temperature" and "pressure" are not very describing in this context. The fusion needs certain kinetic energy of a particle, (temperature analogy) that the colliding particles are able to fusion. And then they need a certain time after this collision, that the nuclei of this particle can go through Internal Transition and become enought stable, to hold another collision before splitting to parts again. (low pressure analogy)

So according to my Ideas, the sprite above Hurricane is caused by the fact, that there lot of high energy (hot) particles colliding each other in the top of hurricane, but the pressure is too high, that they could be fusioned. Thus they just heat up to the levels where visible ligt is emitted. The Light is Red, because that's the lowest energy light which is visible; as the collision happens in atmosphere below turbopause,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbopause
No particular molecule spectre becomes visible.

If my Ideas turns out to be wrong, I am fine with that too. I wont beliece any ferrytales from Dark matter etc. though. Here's the whole story to those who are interested;
https://www.researchgate.net/project/QE ... everything
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Re: Sprites above a hurricane

Unread postby kell1990 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:58 pm

Thanks for the response, but I think something else is going on here that doesn't include vapor.

The sprites typically occur at about 70-80 km above the earth, and they don't have anything to do with water vapor. The two images, thanks to Frankie Luciano <sp>, show that bolts of lightning move from (either) the top of the cloud out into the cosmos or from the cosmos into the Earth. From the images it seems that they originate from the Earth (from the base outwards).

This could be how the Earth connects to the Cosmos.
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Re: Sprites above a hurricane

Unread postby JouniJokela » Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:02 am

kell1990 wrote:Thanks for the response, but I think something else is going on here that doesn't include vapor.

The sprites typically occur at about 70-80 km above the earth, and they don't have anything to do with water vapor.


Well, -I do agree with that. The vapor in noctilucent clouds was just another example and observation of about the same theme. - I repeat with underlines.
JouniJokela wrote:
But what this have anything to with "Sprites above a Hurricane"? Well, it's another supporting observation for the idea, that Material is continuously fusioned in the high atmosphere. This Fusion doesn't need even need very high temperatures, it rather need's a low pressure. Though actually the concepts like "Temperature" and "pressure" are not very describing in this context. The fusion needs certain kinetic energy of a particle, (temperature analogy) that the colliding particles are able to fusion. And then they need a certain time after this collision, that the nuclei of this particle can go through Internal Transition and become enought stable, to hold another collision before splitting to parts again. (low pressure analogy)

So according to my Ideas, the sprite above Hurricane is caused by the fact, that there lot of high energy (hot) particles colliding each other in the top of hurricane, but the pressure is too high, that they could be fusioned. Thus they just heat up to the levels where visible ligt is emitted. The Light is Red, because that's the lowest energy light which is visible; as the collision happens in atmosphere below turbopause,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbopause
No particular molecule spectre becomes visible.

If my Ideas turns out to be wrong, I am fine with that too. I wont beliece any ferrytales from Dark matter etc. though. Here's the whole story to those who are interested;
https://www.researchgate.net/project/QE ... everything
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Re: Sprites above a hurricane

Unread postby Maol » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:55 am

JouniJokela wrote:zSo it seems very plausible that this hydrogen is oxidized by free Oxygen atoms. The temperature being too low that Hydrogen would "burn", which means, it would be able to break O2-molecule. And just to make the obvious thing clear to everyone; Oxidited hydrogen is Water.


My opinion is the O ions and Protons and Electrons in the Solar Wind will unite to form H2O when conditions are correct for the molecular formation reaction to occur.
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Re: Sprites above a hurricane

Unread postby kell1990 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:09 am

I think I have figured out one of the consequences of these sprites: They sucked most of the energy out of the storm.

Post-hurricane analyses show that the winds weren't as high as predicted, nor was the damage that usually occurs with a hurricane of the alleged magnitude.

I have personally been through 7 hurricanes and they are most certainly nothing to trifle with. But this one blew itself out, and I think the sprites had something to do with it. Exactly what, I do not know.
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Re: Sprites above a hurricane

Unread postby JouniJokela » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:41 am

Maol wrote:
JouniJokela wrote:hydrogen is oxidized by free Oxygen atoms.


My opinion is the O ions and Protons and Electrons in the Solar Wind will unite to form H2O when conditions are correct for the molecular formation reaction to occur.

We seem to agree;
Proton = Hydrogen Ion.
O ions = Free Oxygen atoms.
I just didn't mention the electrons. But they are there just as you say.

kell1990 wrote:I think I have figured out one of the consequences of these sprites: They sucked most of the energy out of the storm.
But this one blew itself out, and I think the sprites had something to do with it. Exactly what, I do not know.


Quite interesting that you say this. Cause I was actually thinking this, with the explanation of mine. The Hurricane is caused by the heat of the sea. Or rather the Heat difference between the sea and the atmosphere. And this explanation of mine says exactly that the atmosphere is heated.
JouniJokela wrote:Thus they just heat up to the levels where visible light is emitted.


Less Heat difference -> Less power.
And now you come and tell to me that it's exactly what happened in this particular case!
Sounds like solid science!
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