The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

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The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby neilwilkes » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:30 am

We read in various "scientific" publications talking about how Mars' atmosphere was lost things like the following:
Mars once had a strong magnetic field—like Earth does now—produced by a dynamo effect from its interior heat. But as the smaller planet cooled, Mars lost its magnetic field some time around 4.2 billion years ago, scientists say. During the next several hundred million years, the Sun’s powerful solar wind stripped particles away from the unprotected Martian atmosphere at a rate 100 to 1,000 times greater than that of today.

(quote taken from https://arstechnica.com/science/2015/11/how-mars-lost-its-atmosphere-and-became-a-cold-dry-world/)
Yet we also read in almost identical articles that Venus also does not have an internal planetary magnetic field:
Venus is a rarity among planets - a world that does not internally generate a magnetic field.

(taken from http://sci.esa.int/venus-express/50246-a-magnetic-surprise-for-venus-express/) yet it's atmosphere is much denser than our own on Earth!
This is an obvious contradiction - how come the same Solar Wind has not caused Venus' atmosphere to be "stripped away" by the exact same Solar Wind? It occurs to me that one or the other (or even both) of the following must be true:
1 - Venus is not billions of years old and is in fact a new planet, as proposed by Velikovsky, or
2 - The loss of Mars' atmosphere has absolutely nothing to do with it's lack of a planetary magnetic field.

I would be most interested to know what everyone thinks.....
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Re: The Age of Venus & it's lack of Magnetic Field

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:34 am

That is interesting.
It would be nice to know what materials Venus has, and what the volcanic activity is like.
What we know is that Venus is very hot.
Maybe the ferro-magnetic material is too hot to strengthen and maintain a magnetic field.
It would be like a spool without a core.
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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby Lloyd » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:42 pm

In his paper on Geomagnetism, Charles Chandler (a member of this forum), explained at http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=10862 that planets have CFDLs, current-free double-layers of alternating opposite charge, and if one charge layer rotates faster than the other, the magnetic field will have the related polarity. This suggests that cosmic impacts can change a planet's magnetic field by changing the internal rotational velocities.
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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby johnm33 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:47 am

I've begun to suspect that Venus is composed of anti-matter as defined by Miles Mathis, that is it's simply composed of the same material but with opposite spin to normal matter. Thus it's potential magnetic field, if it were cool enough, would align towards the suns equatorial plane, because it's aligned in this way it has an increased interaction with the aether which pervades it and the field within the aether which defines it's orbit. This is slowing it's rotation down but also heating it, I imagine huge internal turbulence as it 'trys' to conform to the dominant field around it, like any spinning top I expect some seriously peculiar behaviour as it approached zero spin, there may well have already been some. Since I suspect it emerged from the great red spot within human memory and that spot is now calming down we may ourselves see the peculiar behaviour.
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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby ja7tdo » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:05 pm

Hi,

Consider why the earth's magnetic field is generated.Everything starts from the phase transition of olivine within the earth.Electrons are emitted by phase transition, and they rotate by the rotation of the earth.When the electrons rotate, electromagnetic waves and Schumann resonance occur. A magnetic field is also generated at the same time.

https://etherealmatters.org/article/oli ... -electrons

The generation of earth's magnetic field and gravity is the same cause.
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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby nick c » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:21 am

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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby moses » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:05 pm

Venus and Earth could be twins. Just add a lot of icy water to Venus and that would strip the atmosphere of most of it's CO2 leaving a mostly nitrogen atmosphere like Earth. Then pass a huge electrical current through Venus and thus produce a remanent magnetic field and bingo Venus would be a lot like Earth.

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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby nick c » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:35 am

Venus and Earth could be twins. Just add a lot of icy water to Venus and that would strip the atmosphere of most of it's CO2 leaving a mostly nitrogen atmosphere like Earth. Then pass a huge electrical current through Venus and thus produce a remanent magnetic field and bingo Venus would be a lot like Earth.
Ha,ha! And you would also need some serious air conditioning to cool down the surface temperature which is just under 900 degrees F.

Here is the pre Space Age thought on the possibility for life on Venus:
https://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/2/3/255/htm

Beneath the clouds of the planet, the theory offered, was a warm, watery world and the possibility of aquatic and amphibious life. “It was reasoned that if the oceans of Venus still exist, then the Venusian clouds may be composed of water droplets,” noted JPL researchers as late as 1963; “if Venus were covered by water, it was suggested that it might be inhabited by Venusian equivalents of Earth’s Cambrian period of 500 million years ago, and the same steamy atmo­sphere could be a possibility” [8].
This theory was popularized by Svante Arrhenius, a Nobel Prize-winning chemist who reached millions with popular lectures and publications. Arguing for a tropical environment of more than 37.8 Celsius (100 degrees Fahrenheit) Arrhenius posited a strikingly wet atmosphere on Venus, one conducive to the rise of aquatic and amphibian life. He wrote:
We must therefore conclude that everything on Venus is dripping wet…A very great part of the surface of Venus is no doubt covered with swamps, corresponding to those on the Earth in which the coal deposits were formed…The constantly uniform climactic [sic] conditions which exist everywhere result in an entire absence of adaptation to changing exterior conditions. Only low forms of life are therefore represented, mostly no doubt belonging to the vegetable kingdom; and the organisms are nearly of the same kind all over the planet. The vegetative processes are greatly accelerated by the high temperatures.
Arrhenius speculated that more complex life forms might have evolved at the Venusian poles since the temperatures would not be quite as hot there, and with that “progress and culture...will gradually spread from the poles toward the equator” [9].


A further problem here is that Venus' poles are not cooler than the equator, as on Earth. The planet's temperature seems to be fairly uniform through out different latitudes. This is consistent with the source of Venus' heat being internal and that of a young planet still in the cooling down process. Of course this theory would predict that Venus's temperature should be cooling over time. At some point the cooling should become measurable.
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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby D_Archer » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:54 am

Venus is a very old dead world.

The latent heat and reupped atmosphere is more likely because it was recently captured by our system. I think the focus should be on capture mechancis and how stars/planets stabilize after captures and what (if any) electrical interaction there are with other stars/planets.

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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:26 pm

Lack of Cratering is a fun one too!

How is a magnetic field generated ... why doesn't the moon have one? (or more likely no longer support one).
Also Mercury's is quite weak. What gives? If Venus is a new planet when or how does she get one? What are the mechanics involved?
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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby nick c » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:33 pm

Younger Dryas wrote:How is a magnetic field generated ... why doesn't the moon have one? (or more likely no longer support one).
Good question.
I am just bouncing off some ideas for discussion, my thinking:

A magnetic field is generated by moving charges. So the implication would be that the planets are charged to varying degrees as compared to the ambient plasma environment.

It is also a possibility that some portion of a planet's magnetic field is a remnant of its past conditions and history. That is some portion of the Earth's magnetic field may be analogous to a lodestone or permanent magnet.

There is no mystery with planets displaying a wide variety of magnetic fields (and other characteristics) if we drop the assumption that the the arrangement of the Solar System has been basically the same for billions of years. If the Solar System has a recent history of rearrangement, then its implied that the various planets have had different histories and as would follow different effects upon each planet.
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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:57 am

Certainly a possibility.

Although nothing -- spin, size, density, age or location -- seems to correlate with the magnetic field of a planet. Mercury, thought to have a metallic core, has only a very weak magnetic field. Venus should have a magnetic field since it is the same size as the Earth, but it does not. Yet Venus has a gigantic coma and plasma tail, usually indicated for a planet with a magnetic field. Mars should have a magnetic field since it is larger than Mercury, but has none. Jupiter's magnetic pole is upside down and ten times stronger than the magnetic field of any other planet. Uranus should have a magnetic field closely aligned with its axis of rotation, as other planets do, but the axis of its magnetic field is at right angles to the axis of rotation instead.

It may have to do with shaping the flow of plasma from planet to planet, and thus the electric fields experienced by each of them?
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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby rkm » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:44 pm

Several Space News videos have challenged the notion that the magnetic field of planets is due to internal dynamos. More likely the fields, where they exist, are generated by the incoming current at the poles. Those currents have opposite spins, and whichever is stronger determines the polarity of the planetary field. The planet is acting like the metallic core within a coil, amplifying the field but not generating it. There's obviously a chicken-and-egg problem here. If the fields are caused by the currents, and the fields are what focus the current into the poles, then how was the configuration established? There must be some kind of phase change that occurs, and evidently some planets have not experienced such a phase change, particularly ones that are relatively new to their orbits, like Venus and Mars.
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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby Webbman » Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:58 pm

perhaps not every planet born is full of iron, nickel and cobalt.
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Re: The Age of Venus & Its lack of a Magnetic Field

Unread postby ja7tdo » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:30 am

I compared the magnetic fields of Jupiter and the Earth.

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