Bizarre Particules

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Bizarre Particules

Unread postby beekeeper » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:13 am

https://serendreier.com/bizarre-particu ... ticas-ice/ sounds like the particles will not obey and do what is expected of a particule.
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Re: Bizarre Particules

Unread postby jacmac » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:42 am

Bizarre link:
not connecting.
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Re: Bizarre Particules

Unread postby moonkoon » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:45 pm

Here is a link to the paper.

The ANITA collaboration have reported observation of two anomalous events that appear to be ... 6 EeV cosmic ray showers emerging from the Earth with exit angles of 27 and 35 degrees respectively. ... the observed exit angles are much steeper than expected in Standard Model (SM) scenarios. ... under conservative extrapolations of the SM interactions, there is no particle that can propagate through the Earth ... at these energies and exit angles.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1809.09615.pdf
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Re: Bizarre Particules

Unread postby ahriman » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:33 am

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... n-physics/

This may clarify. Time to make some more popcorn.
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Re: Bizarre Particules

Unread postby MotionTheory » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:07 am

No, these particles aren't bizarre! It is just a bizarre scientific method used because it jumped to the conclusion without a proper hypothesis. This conclusion is presumptuous that source of these particles is from the cosmic traveled through earth.

Did super-kamiokande (neutrino detector) and other non-polar neutrino detectors received any of these events?

If these events are detected only(thus ar) at polar region, then must test North pole region. For north pole, detectors should be both above land and water.

27 & 35* exit trajectory implied many scenarios. Non-interaction(affectively) path is an exclusive scenario with earth amount of material between detector and source. If these particles zipped through earth, so probability of these particles to interact with a detector would affectively zero.

Hopefully soon our scientific world would again adhere to 'unbroken ascent' axiom/method/principle.
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Re: Bizarre Particules

Unread postby kell1990 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:49 pm

"The ANITA collaboration have reported observation of two anomalous events that appear to be ... 6 EeV cosmic ray showers emerging from the Earth with exit angles of 27 and 35 degrees respectively. ... the observed exit angles are much steeper than expected in Standard Model (SM) scenarios. ... under conservative extrapolations of the SM interactions, there is no particle that can propagate through the Earth ... at these energies and exit angles.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1809.09615.pdf
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Are these "showers" in the form of cones exiting the Earth @27 and 35 degrees (ie, the 27th and 35th latitude), or are they like a vector, detected by ANITA? The articles aren't clear on that.

I wonder if it's possible that these two "showers" might be the outgoing flows from an intergalactic electrical connection?
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clarifying (hopefully) remarks :-)

Unread postby moonkoon » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:00 am

The detection of the anomalous events is a complicated process involving, as I understand it, both the ANITA (Antarctic Impulse Transient Antenna) and the IceCube Neutrino Observatory. ANITA uses antennas attached to a balloon flying over Antarctica to detect Askaryan radiation produced by cosmic neutrinos as they travel through the ice. And IceCube, an array of detectors set into the ice over a volume of about 1 cubic kilometer, can in some circumstances provide information about the direction of the detected neutrino.

The process goes something like this, ...the cosmic rays, in this case neutrinos moving through the ice, produce a secondary radio frequency radiation called Askaryan radiation (analogous to Cerenkov radiation). It is produced when a particle traveling faster than the phase velocity of light in an electrically polarizable medium (e.g. salt or ice) produces a shower of secondary charged particles which in turn emit a cone of coherent radio or microwave radiation which is detected by ANITA.

Note that the phase velocity of light in water is only about 75% of c and the high energy particles can be well over 90% of c, hence the radiation.

There is a lot of data to examine and it seems that the authors have managed to identify some particles that have been coming rather than going or vice versa. :-)

One caveat, with Cerenkov radiation, a reverse effect has been observed so one might expect to see a similar affect with Askaryan radiation in some circunstances, no?

... A reverse Cherenkov effect can be experienced using materials called negative-index metamaterials (materials with a subwavelength microstructure that gives them an effective "average" property very different from their constituent materials, in this case having negative permittivity and negative permeability). This means, when a charged particle (usually electrons) passes through a medium at a speed greater than the phase velocity of light in that medium, that particle will emit trailing radiation from its progress through the medium rather than in front of it ... One can also obtain such reverse-cone Cherenkov radiation in non-metamaterial periodic media (where the periodic structure is on the same scale as the wavelength, so it cannot be treated as an effectively homogeneous metamaterial). ...

p.s. I guess that the exit angle refers to the angle subtended by the cone of coherent radiation.
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