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Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:36 pm

Some New/Old Postulates:

Earth, Mars, Uranus and Neptune were all planets (satellites) of the star Saturn, and had been orbiting Saturn for billions of years since their creation when, shortly before the Cambrian, 560 million years ago, Saturn intersected with the Solar System -- perhaps for the first time.

Saturn swept around the Sun like a comet, to return every 26,000,000 or 27,000,000 years, still with the original planets in tow, that is, as equatorial satellites. Over time, some of Saturn's planets were captured by the Sun. This happened to Earth after the Permian, 250 million years ago. This could only happen to Saturnian satellites on prograde orbits around Saturn.

The return of Saturn at 27,000,000-year intervals was responsible for the periodic extinctions which the Earth has experienced since the Cambrian. On traveling through the plasmasphere of the Sun, Saturn would attempt to discharge to any nearby objects, including, of course, Earth. (This would be true whether Earth traveled with Saturn as a satellite, or Earth was already orbiting the Sun.)

The ability of Saturn to attract other planets, especially the inner planets, has to be the result of Saturn entering the Solar System with an exceedingly high positive charge. It could also be suggested that Earth may have been captured and released a number of times in the last few million years.Over a much longer period of time, extinctions were most likely caused by electric field attractive or repulsive forces which changed the Earth's orbit plus massive electric discharges (arcing) from Saturn, perhaps only as Saturn reached perihelion with the Sun.

The specificity of the extent of many extinctions can probably be attributed to the different locations of the strike point of the arcing from Saturn (on land, shallow sea, or ocean), and the fact that at different times the contact would have varied with the chance location of Saturn and the position of Earth.

Saturn may have been responsible for all the speciation after the Cambrian, and especially the complex species which have developed since that time. Speciation probably took place during or after every extinction period, although it might have taken many thousands of years before new species stabilized and would show up in the record.

The fact that Saturn was never deflected by the Solar System planet Jupiter (Until 3147bc) would be explained by the fact that in 560,000,000 years Saturn would have entered the Solar System only 19 or 20 times.

Once the period of Saturn was significantly reduced (6 or 3 million years ago) it would have come closer to the Sun more frequently (of which we have physical records)



Are the wandering natures of Dwarf Star's erratic or infact quite rational? Do we have any speculation of where Saturn came from? The Centauri system appears to hold some significance that I've yet to comprehend. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:56 am

We have Perratt's plasmoid would it not make sense if this was simply scaled up - the Three Ball Plasmoids become (Our Sun, Alpha Centauri, and Sirius) ... are we getting closer to or further away from these systems as we traverse? What are the physics involved in say Mars or Earth freely rising up and down along a Polar Column?

Are their other connections to other Systems that are operating similarly to a central nervous system?

I've given myself a year to make sense of it; don't be shy!


I guess I need to brush up on my Thunderbolts history ...

Sep 20**, 2007*
Milky Way Plasma-focus Plasmoid

*Infrared and x-ray telescopes have confirmed the existence
of a plasma-focus plasmoid at the core of the Milky Way.
This high-energy electrical formation is the heart of the
galactic circuit.*

Recent infrared and x-ray views of our galaxy’s core have
revealed a plasma torus (doughnut-shaped ring), or plasmoid,
less than two light-years across. Because dust blocks
visible light, viewing the core has not been possible until
the advent of telescopes that can “see” infrared and x-ray
light, which can penetrate dust. The x-ray radiation from
the plasmoid is typical of that given off by highly excited
stars, indicating extremely strong electrical stress. The
strong electrical field in the plasmoid acts as a particle
accelerator. Electrons accelerated to high speeds will
spiral in a magnetic field and give off x-rays. They also
give off x-rays when they pass near a heavier ion.

The plasmoid also accelerates ions—primarily hydrogen and
helium nuclei—to high speeds. The ions collide and fuse to
build up heavier nuclei. This accounts for the plasmoid’s
observed enrichment in oxygen and iron.

The plasmoid is the “generator” that powers the intermittent
ejections from a galactic core. In a galactic circuit
<http://www.holoscience.com/synopsis.php?page=5&keywords=galaxy#dest>,
electrical power flows inward along the spiral arms,
lighting the stars as it goes, and is concentrated and
stored in the central plasmoid. When the plasmoid reaches a
threshold density, it discharges, usually along the galaxy’s
spin axis. This process can be replicated in a laboratory
with the plasma focus

<http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=tyybhrr8> device.

The discharge forms a jet of neutrons, heavy ions, and
electrons. The neutrons decay to form concentrations of
matter that appear as quasars
<http://plasmascience.net/tpu/elec_currents.html>.
Electromagnetic forces confine the jet to thin filaments
<http://plasmascience.net/tpu/galaxy.Radio.html> that remain
coherent for thousands of light-years. The jet usually ends
in double layers that extend for many times the size of the
galaxy and radiate copiously in radio frequencies
<http://plasmascience.net/tpu/galaxy.Radio.html>. The
diffuse currents then flow toward the galaxy’s equatorial
plane and spiral back toward the core.

A core plasmoid was first discovered in the Andromeda galaxy
<../../2005/arch05/051006starring.htm>, our neighbor and
possibly our “mother
<../../2005/arch05/050106universe-arp.htm>”. With this
discovery of the plasmoid at the core of the Milky Way, we
can expect similar discoveries for all nearby galaxies.
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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Brigit Bara » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:16 pm

Younger Dryas says, "The fact that Saturn was never deflected by the Solar System planet Jupiter (Until 3147bc) would be explained by the fact that in 560,000,000 years Saturn would have entered the Solar System only 19 or 20 times."

Thank you for posting about this. I had never heard of a more circuitous route for a Saturn/entourage electrical capture before.

Brown dwarfs are very numerous, according to na sa. It might be difficult to work out the past travels.

Brown dwarfs are as plentiful as stars | Astronomy.com

100 Billion Brown Dwarfs in the Milky Way? - Sky & Telescope



I have thought about the origin of the Milky Way-- which, if it was ejected along the axis of the Andromeda Galaxy, would have a twin. Nice to know that's out there.
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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Brigit Bara » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:34 pm

Brown dwarfs are as plentiful as stars | Astronomy.com

100 Billion Brown Dwarfs in the Milky Way? - Sky & Telescope


Of course, while V. was a psychoanalyst, and sweepingly diagnosed all people with PTSD, there are still plenty of ways to have major planetary catastrophes -- not that I want to add to any one's worries. No one can or should guarantee the continued safety of the solar system.

NA Sa has admitted in a press release that they have not looked overhead or down below for other objects orbiting the Sun.

I think NEOs will continue to come up from underneath us, or the sun will darken and possibly it will fission. The good news will be, the EU was right. The bad news will be, there will be a few adjustments. (:
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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:41 am

Thank you for posting about this. I had never heard of a more circuitous route for a Saturn/entourage electrical capture before.

No problem. Chronology's a crapshoot but using mainstream durations helps allow for a fairly simple sequencing of events. Like the collision between atoms. Its how 'we' measure the arrow of time. I've come to understand most Stone Tool (heads) as representative of the Saturnian system observed as far back as 3mya.

Noel Boaz, a paleontologist, from his book Eco Homo (1997) reacts appropriately to this long lineage in detailing a single outstanding fact. "The available archaeological data on Homo erectus reveals that one type of tool was used for about a million years -- one type of stone tool, for a million years, all over Africa wherever Homo erectus is found"

Their brains were only slightly smaller then ours.

"This stone tool is the Acheulean hand axe. It is not an easy tool to make and modern Homo sapiens graduate students are not able to fashion a very good one even after an entire academic term of practical experience."

"The implication is that Homo erectus would have expended a tremendous amount of time and energy -- years -- laboriously learning how to make hand axes. The technique must have been passed on by rote repetition. Hand axes stayed the same for untold generations. This method of cultural transmission is entirely foreign to us. Nothing that we Homo sapiens learn and internalize stays the same. We have to change it, improve it, make it look better, modify it to fit our specific needs -- be it a chair, an art form, or our own language. But this never occurred to Homo erectus, not in a million years."

The Acheulean hand axe is so unusual, and so clearly a finished product of a very specific design, that it almost looks like an import from the future. It is flat, carefully chipped (and sharp) along all edges, almond shaped with the pointed end always displaced to one side of the central axis, and consistently modeled to a shape which does not vary over an enormous span of time and geography.


Brown dwarfs are very numerous, according to na sa. It might be difficult to work out the past travels.

I'm entertaining the idea that Magnetite deposits within the brain are functioning similarly to the orbits of Dwarf Stars. Magnetite is a magnetic mineral also possessed by homing pigeons, migratory salmon, dolphins, honeybees, and bats. Indeed, some bacteria even contain strands of magnetite that function, according to Dr Charles Walcott of the Cornell Laboratory of Ornithology in Ithaca, New York, "as tiny compass needles, allowing them [the bacteria] to orient themselves in the earth's magnetic field and swim down to their happy home in the mud".

It seems that magnetite helps direction finding in animals and helps migratory species migrate successfully by allowing them to draw upon the earth's magnetic fields.

The collapsing of a Stars plasmasphere or its sphere of influence decreasing as a result of electrical stress shuts them out, the same happens to the shrinking brains of Alzeheimers/Aphosia patients. Iron clusters appear to be the most likely candidate for neurodegeneration.

I came across a Gentlemen a number of years ago, Gooch? who speculated that Neanderthal was using this as a means to discover iron deposits within the ground (Red Ochre) similar to the way dowsers operate.

Its all highly speculative, but curious none the less. Perhaps the randomness of Dwarf Stars may be explained by the migrations of Hominids, not by imitation, but rather a scaling down of Electrical pattern recognition. A silent hand of direction.

https://www.the-scientist.com/?articles ... man-Brain/
Environmental Magnetite in the Human Brain

http://eatgenius.com/magnetite-and-our- ... tic-sense/
Magnetite and our Electromagnetic Sense

http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25 ... -shrinking
Modern Human Brains Shrinking

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... -58185724/
Red Barns; and the Physics of Dying Stars
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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Brigit Bara » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:54 pm

YD says, "I'm entertaining the idea that Magnetite deposits within the brain are functioning similarly to the orbits of Dwarf Stars. Magnetite is a magnetic mineral also possessed by homing pigeons, migratory salmon, dolphins, honeybees, and bats."

There is also evidence of field alignment in cows. (:

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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Brigit Bara » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:03 pm

Yes, I discovered the possible biominieralization of tiny paritcles in the brain some years ago. But I went ahead with several MRIs since then and have never had any [ad]verse effects.

It is interesting but while blood uses iron to transport oxygen, it is not responsive to magnets.
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Btw, what is the significance 3147bc?
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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:17 am

Wow thanks for the find! A whole new avenue of inquiry to explore now.

If one can accept that the planets are sentient, earth is full of life - it only seems plausible that it to is alive. Then events like a Tsunami that send species running for the hills days prior may be more than simply following thru with intuition.



3147bc is based off Bishop Ussher's chronology for the World Flood - Adam lived 930 years ... beginning with his Nova Event and the ejection of Venus in the year 4077bc.

Jupiter was seen as the midnight sun for millennia during the holocene, moving closer and closer to the Saturnian system until the electrical stress caused the planet Saturn to decrease its surface area, its plasmasphere was considerably decreased and Earth amongst others were left out. The waters/crust in our oceans would have buldged at the equator (They still do today) and the sudden release sent a tremendous surge of water rushing north.

India was wiped clean of people and animals. These were piled up at the southern foothills of the Himalayas (the Siwalik Hills). As is clear from the deposition of layers of mud and silt interspersed with the accumulation of trees and the bones of jungle animals, there would have been a dozen separate gigantic waves of water from the south.

The salinity of some lakes can be traced to the flood of 3147 BC, including Lake Bonneville and the Caspian sea. Seals in Lake Baikal in Siberia and squid in Lake Onondaga in New York State also have no other explanation. There are numerous other instances of displaced marine species. Remains of whales have been found in the Andes, in the Sahara, and in the state of Michigan.

At the Bering Straits the rebounding Pacific waters had no oceanic escape, and swept over Alaska and Western Canada, as well as Northern China (Siberia). In these locations we often find many feet of silt and loess, with only a thin layer of black soil (humus) at the top. The fossil content of Alaskan river valleys has always astounded archaeologists with its content of broken bones and splintered wood -- many from temperate and tropical areas.

Where the waves had lowered because of a wide ocean, as in Southeastern United States, we find an admixture of marine organisms with scoured remains of plants, trees, animals, and soil. Elephant remains have been found in the Southeastern United States, mixed with unfossilized (closed) seashells. Lower secondary waves often deposited marine species above the layers of land animals and plants.
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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:10 am

Some more on 3147bc

Earth has no taken up residence within the plasmasphere of Saturn for the better part of 9,000 years (The Holocene + Younger Dryas). Jupiter was witnessed stalking Saturn in the night skies ... until 4077bc when their orbits got close enough that the stress caused Saturn to decrease its surface area and eject (Venus).

As Jupiter got closer still, both their plasmaspheres would have dramatically decreased in size. Earth (3million miles below) and Venus (Above Uranus) were the furthest out respectively within the Saturnian stack and made their escapes. ...

The ensuing Battle of the Gods was a plasmasphere interaction between Jupiter and Saturn which culminated in Osiris (The white) being tossed on his back (Equitorial rings help visualize) and cast with the titans (Neptune, Uranus) into insert whatever mythological name you want to come up with for the location into/past the Asteroid Belt.

Mars and Mercury take 80 years to escape - The Kings List was/is quite accurate. Simply need to replace Sarus meaning revolutions with physical turns of the planet Mars rather than rotations around the sun (Days instead of Years) ... and his reigns as King in Heaven (lowering to earth) end up settling in at 30-35 year intervals based on a 225 day year for the Kings before the Flood. Patriarchs of the bible will match up identically, as those Hebrew mystics certainly had access to the Kings List when they were released from Babylonian captivity and drafted their creation epic.




So he came, we watched, we imitated, we want them to be like us, we want to be like them. They want to be like us, they want us to be like them.
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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Brigit Bara » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:26 pm

YoungerDryas says, "and his reigns as King in Heaven (lowering to earth) end up settling in at 30-35 year intervals based on a 225 day year for the Kings before the Flood."

That is an interesting bit. Do all Velikovsky people say that the lengthy lives of the 5th chapter of Gen. are based on Egyptian records, and actually measured in days?

Alternatively, the giant life prior to the deluge was referring to megaflora and megafauna, and the conditions under which these creatures attained such size also supported longer life-spans.
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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:23 pm

Brigit Bara wrote:YoungerDryas says, "and his reigns as King in Heaven (lowering to earth) end up settling in at 30-35 year intervals based on a 225 day year for the Kings before the Flood."

That is an interesting bit. Do all Velikovsky people say that the lengthy lives of the 5th chapter of Gen. are based on Egyptian records, and actually measured in days?

Alternatively, the giant life prior to the deluge was referring to megaflora and megafauna, and the conditions under which these creatures attained such size also supported longer life-spans.


The Patriarchs of the Old Testament can provide a terribly accurate chronology for planetary observations/catastrophes. The length of the year has changed a number of times in the last 5000+ years ... but most excessive reign lengths are best explained by 'They' being Kings in Heaven. I've never read much of Velikovsky outside of his work on the Faux Dark Ages.

Bishop Usshers Annals of the World was his attempt at biblical chronology and 400+ years later still holds up as an authority.

Be mindful that to our ancestors there was little separation between what was seen in the sky and observed here on the ground. Will throw new light on our Palaeolithic cave painters :)
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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Brigit Bara » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:19 pm

but most excessive reign lengths are best explained by 'They' being Kings in Heaven. I've never read much of Velikovsky outside of his work on the Faux Dark Ages.


Sorry YD! I automatically thought you were a Velikovskian. See how I am. (:

I like your model, and not just because it is riveting reading. If N ASA is correct about the abundance of brown dwarfs, and it could be, you are just speculating about a common object wandering through our own solar system, and making a few orbital passes with the sun before being captured.

The plasmaspheres of Saturn and Jupiter shrinking is also a normal event. Jupiter's shrinks by a million miles as it is.

Mercury plays an important role, which is interesting because it has an eccentric orbit ("0.21 with its distance from the Sun ranging from 46,000,000 to 70,000,000 km") and this may be because it has recently migrated. Too bad for GR. --However I admit I wish I understood Mercury's position, no matter which scenario you apply. It's almost as if there are no good choices.

I was surprised by the reference to Ussher's date. (I would like to browse his history of England, even though he was a naughty monarchist.) Referencing LXX and Josephus you get +/-3290 BC. I think this lines up with the muddy mortality layer which Layard found at Ur, perhaps the one covering Golbekle Tepe, and various other human settlements. I have been considering the odd, terraced damage to the Sphinx and the most ancient pyramids to be caused by interplanetary arc exchanges at a time when earth was under water. Of course you had the most dramatic and abundant evidence for the "the roaring and tossing of the sea."

When you say "Faux Dark Ages," are you referring to the time V cheated when he simply snipped 8 centuries out of human history? (:
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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:07 pm

I found Ussher to be quite helpful using his 'Flood of Noah' date as an anchor point: 2349BC for a chronology.
Even if there was no flood or Noah (The waters referenced in this event were celestial, equatorial rings set up 10000? years previous when Earth was captured once again by Saturn). The Mesoamericans counted 7 rings from their vantage point -- 9 were seen from China/Mesoamerica.

No by Faux I meant his theory of the missing 400-600 years, which appear to have been symmetrically duplicated by revisionists on the other side of '0'. I don't believe in the 'Dark Ages of Greece'.



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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:16 am

Mesopotamia was well insulated geographically from the rushing waters heading north.

Gobleki Tepe is fun, its a scaled model recreation of the furthest plasmoid (Peratt) extending away from earth in the Southern Hemisphere. The Turtle to the Mesoamericans. The souls final destination in a period before Saturns coma dropped (4077bc) in the North and like the standing stones at Carnac which change directions pointing to the NorthWest giving us a new home after death. Or perhaps more appropriately completing a loop/circuit. When the Ball Plasmoids ceased to appear in the south, to our ancestors it dropped back into/under the earth. Burying it intentionally would have been the response. 13 Baktuns from the End of the Olmec 2nd Creation (3147BC) might suggest this took place sometime around 8400BC.
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Re: Conjecture: Who Sent Saturn?

Unread postby Brigit Bara » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:12 am

Younger Dryas says, "Its unfortunate were the only participants to this thread."


Maybe they all think it is hilarious watching us trying to communicate with each other. :D





(So I do have to admit Kuhn was right about one thing; there are language barriers. (: )
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