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Historic planetary instability and catastrophe. Evidence for electrical scarring on planets and moons. Electrical events in today's solar system. Electric Earth.

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Re: Pluto predictions?

Unread postby Folatt » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:33 am

Any prediction/explanation on why pluto is brown (and charon is not?).

If nobody has one I'll make a wild guess and say it's feldspar.
Since 1 % 1, 1 * 1 and 1 - 1 do not add up, we must conclude that 1 + 1 is 3.
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Re: Photos of Pluto

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:27 pm

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The first ever close-up of Pluto’s surface shows a young and icy mountain range that ascends 11,000ft, evidence of water ice and, mysteriously, no impact craters so far. Lead scientist Alan Stern said that the images so far show a surprising diversity of activity on Pluto. “I don’t think any of us could’ve imagined that it was this good a toy store,” he said.

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http://www.theguardian.com/science/live ... iscoveries
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Re: Photos of Pluto

Unread postby gocrew » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:58 pm

GaryN wrote:Image
The first ever close-up of Pluto’s surface shows a young and icy mountain range that ascends 11,000ft, evidence of water ice and, mysteriously, no impact craters so far. Lead scientist Alan Stern said that the images so far show a surprising diversity of activity on Pluto. “I don’t think any of us could’ve imagined that it was this good a toy store,” he said.

More comments at:
http://www.theguardian.com/science/live ... iscoveries


Very interesting that there are no "impact" craters so far. That is going to be hard for the mainstream to handle. They'll have to invoke a high level of geologic activity, I would think. That might be hard for them to pull off, but the people who invented Dark Matter and roaming volcanoes on Io are capable of anything. I believe in them.

The lack of EDM craters - although Stephen Smith posted a picture of Pluto with LOTS of hexagonal shapes! - is interesting for us, too, although not nearly so detrimental to our theories. What does this suggest about the history and provenance of Pluto. Any thoughts?
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Re: Photos of Pluto

Unread postby Dotini » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:38 pm

They say tidal heating cannot account for it, since Pluto and Charon are in tidal equilibrium.They suggest an internal ocean or internal radiation may be implicated in the energy budget. Or just simple, stored volcanic heat from its genesis?

They say the surface appears young, and maybe it literally is young - younger than the solar system. Could it be an offspring of Neptune or better yet, Saturn?
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Re: Photos of Pluto

Unread postby Steve Smith » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:49 pm

Ralph has spoken up:

Methane distribution on Pluto
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Re: Photos of Pluto

Unread postby Steve Smith » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:55 pm

They're coming in thick and fast:

Latest image of Charon
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Pluto: *Poof* Goes the Mainstream Geology...

Unread postby FS3 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:07 pm

New Horizons has sent its first detailed pic from the surface of Pluto:

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Besides the observation that craters seem to be rare -- the pic reveals mountains of up to almost 3000 meters. Geologists believed until now that mountains can only be a product of plate tectonic and a warm, active core.

Perhaps it's time to tell them that electrical discharges - a byproduct of a planetary birth out of a gas giants - can produce "mountains" as well (see: Olympus Mons on Mars). Ask any EDM specialist...

Isn't science great? At least if you have got left a pair of working brain cells...
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Re: Pluto predictions?

Unread postby Steve Smith » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:21 pm

Moderators, I suggest merging the three Pluto threads.
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Re: Photos of Pluto

Unread postby Omni » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:23 pm

Personally I find the lack of or miniscule amounts of craters to fit nicely with the Electric model. I am of the camp that believes in a long term interloper stopping by to change things up every 30-50k years. (generalized estimate)

If most planetary electrical scarring is due to said interloper not only would Pluto's distance from the sun decrease its interaction/scarring from a more dispersed energy but the distance would also increase the odds of it not being involved in an interaction at all.

To electric model followers, it would seem Pluto is young comparatively. Which could easily account for a lack of a plethora of craters. However; if Pluto was born of interaction, by an interloper, it would not necessarily have to be part of said interaction but a result of a system wide equation of charge.

Interesting how Pluto is bigger than previously thought. I wonder what that does to the perturbation calculations?
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Clyde Tombaugh's discovery of Pluto in 1930 appeared to validate Lowell's hypothesis, and Pluto was officially named the ninth planet. In 1978, Pluto was conclusively determined to be too small for its gravity to affect the giant planets, resulting in a brief search for a tenth planet. The search was largely abandoned in the early 1990s, when a study of measurements made by the Voyager 2 spacecraft found that the irregularities observed in Uranus's orbit were due to a slight overestimation of Neptune's mass.[3]
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Re: Pluto predictions?

Unread postby gocrew » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:32 pm

They did it! They said it! AGAIN! That's 348 missions in a row....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolog ... ailsignout

Back to the drawing board!


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Re: Pluto predictions?

Unread postby FS3 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:09 pm

Steve Smith wrote:Moderators, I suggest merging the three Pluto threads.


Steve, please better think next time before you give such kind of advices! -- I just got a notice from one of my Twitter followers that my Tweet with an embedded link to my fresh topic about Pluto here -- I intentionally started as a new one -- didn't work. As I see in my link history there were more than 80 clicks within appr. one hour, which is not bad as it might have drawn new readers to thunderbolts.info.

Luckily I could delete my old tweet in time and made a new one -- with the changed link -- right now.

I wanted to start a new thread on purpose as this conundrum implies something totally different -- and you can see from some other contributions following up my post ("Blowing My Mind") the science community is scratching their heads as well already. This is Geology and has nothing to do with "predictions" and moreover THIS could develop as one of the most discussed topics over the whole Pluto/New Horizons mission.

- After all I had the feeling always that Geologists are much more prepared and willing to change their mindset than those Astro... -somethings. Less prejudice!

At least I would have expected to get an upfront notification by mail...

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Re: Pluto predictions?

Unread postby seasmith » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:52 pm

Resonances

Pluto has been declared the "king" of the Kuiper belt, being the Outer 'ring' of the solar system.
It is in 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune, meaning their orbits cross, but harmonically, so they don't crash.
That would seem to suggest, that if there was at one time a solar system disruption centered around Saturn; that Pluto and Neptune were flung off one way and the inner planets the other way, by EG orbital mechanics.

Imo, the Outer planets will be less dense, not rocky like the Inner planets.
Noting that the images of the "mountains" appear to have something like 'vents' at their peaks, possibly hinting at some supercritical phase 'liquids' beneath the crust.
Methane pimples ?

http://news.discovery.com/space/confirm ... 150713.htm
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Re: Pluto predictions?

Unread postby scowie » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:11 pm

I suspect the mainstream may be making the same mistake they made with comet 67P in assuming that there is a load of water ice on Pluto: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33543383

"ice mountains", "water-ice bedrock"

...it's all conjecture based on the mainstream's dodgy mass and density estimates. Dodgy because they assume all heavenly bodies have no net electric charge and that only gravity is responsible for orbits (from which mass & density are derived).

I suspect that in future, as Pluto moves away from perihelion, its charge will decrease and as a result we will find that it's rotation/co-orbital period with Charon gets shorter as the electrostatic repulsion between the two is reduced.
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Re: Pluto predictions?

Unread postby nick c » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:22 am

FS3 wrote:I just got a notice from one of my Twitter followers that my Tweet with an embedded link to my fresh topic about Pluto here -- I intentionally started as a new one -- didn't work.
Sorry about that, but we merge and move threads all the time, it is part of normal forum maintenance.
Anyway, I do not think that anyone who truly wants to learn about the EU and the TB project will be discouraged by a dead link.
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Re: Pluto predictions?

Unread postby Frantic » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:50 pm

So what does everyone think of the Sputnik Plain?

Polygons abound. Looks more like cellular features to me though.

http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-puzzle-over-plutos-polygons-194707021.html

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