'Welease Wosetta!'

[viscount aero]

Saul, Viscount Aero, Leo,
This is not the board for a discussion of Leo's theories.
Anymore posts of this nature will be removed from this thread which is on the "Electric Universe- Planetary Science" board.

I will come back tomorrow on this issue.

Not here.

Ok noted. I don't want to discuss his theories in all honesty.

[leo vuyk]

OK noted also.

[GaryN]

On the Rosetta blog site is a page about the singing comet, and magneto-acoustic waves. They dont mention the ion-acoustic waves that, I believe, are the source of the magneto-acoustic waves. I did find some info about the ion acoustic conditions around comet giacobini-zinner, from 1986.
Plasma wave observations at comet giacobini-zinner.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17792149
My enquiries lead me to a department at Cambridge University but have had no replies to my e-mail inquiries, and it seems they may have first dibs on the data.

[Rossim]

In the standard model of jets being sublimating gas streams the most dense portion of the jet must be at the surface and dissipate farther out. However, in the following image of 67P I'm seeing more of a sprite pattern in the jet with the densest part a bit away from the surface.

67P from Rosetta: http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/imag ... NavCam.jpg

A sprite for comparison:
http://www.the-electric-universe.info/i ... age003.jpg


This could be a direct falsifying observation since sublimation requires a smooth gradient as the source is expelled. Hopefully some quality data is returned from the 6km fly-by.

[dodeca]

Häagen Dazs my favorite.

Chocolate Fondant:





http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2015/02/16 ... y-special/

[paladin17]

It seems that simulations show that the orbit of 67P is chaotic.
In my opinion, that is a sort of subtle indication that it could not have been there for billions of years. Otherwise it would definitely bump into something with this sort of chaoticity.

[viscount aero]

It seems that simulations show that the orbit of 67P is chaotic.
In my opinion, that is a sort of subtle indication that it could not have been there for billions of years. Otherwise it would definitely bump into something with this sort of chaoticity.

Good point and I agree.

In general, too, the comet is not necessarily as old as the solar system or even originally from this solar system. It's origins and age are unknown and cannot be known.

[D_Archer]

It seems that simulations show that the orbit of 67P is chaotic.
In my opinion, that is a sort of subtle indication that it could not have been there for billions of years. Otherwise it would definitely bump into something with this sort of chaoticity.

Good point and I agree.

In general, too, the comet is not necessarily as old as the solar system or even originally from this solar system. It's origins and age are unknown and cannot be known.

I would not be too hasty, we can ascertain when meteorites come from Mars, maybe we could match the comet/asteroid composition to a certain planet. And for the age, maybe we can carbon date it (E/M disturbs the dating) but maybe we could get a ballpark figure... Or maybe if we know which planet it came from and guesstimate the age based on some mythical event in human memory.

Regards,
Daniel

[viscount aero]

It seems that simulations show that the orbit of 67P is chaotic.
In my opinion, that is a sort of subtle indication that it could not have been there for billions of years. Otherwise it would definitely bump into something with this sort of chaoticity.

Good point and I agree.

In general, too, the comet is not necessarily as old as the solar system or even originally from this solar system. It's origins and age are unknown and cannot be known.

I would not be too hasty, we can ascertain when meteorites come from Mars, maybe we could match the comet/asteroid composition to a certain planet. And for the age, maybe we can carbon date it (E/M disturbs the dating) but maybe we could get a ballpark figure... Or maybe if we know which planet it came from and guesstimate the age based on some mythical event in human memory.

Regards,
Daniel

Sure but I think it will always be open for debate like in the case of Earth's Moon. The Moon is so near, with samples returned, and its origins and age are unknown despite what the establishment believes with "near certainty."

[shadowmane]

How much are we paying these idiots to come up with cockamamy stories like this? Come on!!! Deep Fried Crusty Cream Balls? You've got to be kidding me.

[viscount aero]

How much are we paying these idiots to come up with cockamamy stories like this? Come on!!! Deep Fried Crusty Cream Balls? You've got to be kidding me.

See what I mean? That ESA article--on its own page--boasts "Studying comet composition helps explain how early Earth may have received water and organics."

What's more, this statement by ESA is totally false:

"A comet is like deep fried ice cream," said Murthy Gudipati of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, corresponding author of a recent study appearing in The Journal of Physical Chemistry. "The crust is made of crystalline ice, while the interior is colder and more porous. The organics are like a final layer of chocolate on top."

They just cannot let go of it. They are convinced beyond doubt that comets "seeded the Earth's oceans" and are responsible for "life on Earth." And no ice has ever been detected in the crust. ESA's assertions now go beyond mere lack of knowledge and more into scientific fraud.

[GaryN]

Looking at the large image downloadable from this page, I see clear evidence of scalloping on the edges of some of the features. I think, if the instruments keep working, this object is going to put on quite the show as it gets closer to the Sun, and undeniable evidence of electrical activity.
http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images ... lose_flyby

[viscount aero]

Looking at the large image downloadable from this page, I see clear evidence of scalloping on the edges of some of the features. I think, if the instruments keep working, this object is going to put on quite the show as it gets closer to the Sun, and undeniable evidence of electrical activity.
http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images ... lose_flyby

Yes.

[JeffreyW]

How much are we paying these idiots to come up with cockamamy stories like this? Come on!!! Deep Fried Crusty Cream Balls? You've got to be kidding me.

See what I mean? That ESA article--on its own page--boasts "Studying comet composition helps explain how early Earth may have received water and organics."

What's more, this statement by ESA is totally false:

"A comet is like deep fried ice cream," said Murthy Gudipati of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, corresponding author of a recent study appearing in The Journal of Physical Chemistry. "The crust is made of crystalline ice, while the interior is colder and more porous. The organics are like a final layer of chocolate on top."

They just cannot let go of it. They are convinced beyond doubt that comets "seeded the Earth's oceans" and are responsible for "life on Earth." And no ice has ever been detected in the crust. ESA's assertions now go beyond mere lack of knowledge and more into scientific fraud.

Well, its too bad they can't let go of it because of political reasons. Remember, people don't want to get fired. Meanwhile on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qjv4YDT2B0

[Dotini]

Some really nice shots of cometary jets, streaks, glows and blobs to be seen here:
http://www.universetoday.com/119296/dus ... tas-comet/