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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:24 am

Rosetta captures comet outburst
In unprecedented observations made earlier this year, Rosetta unexpectedly captured a dramatic comet outburst that may have been triggered by a landslide.

http://phys.org/news/2016-08-rosetta-ca ... burst.html
A landslide?? They won't publicly mention an electrical process triggered probably by solar flare/CME activity, but I'm sure there are scientists who know what is really going on.
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby Osmosis » Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:03 pm

I'm surprised they didn't blame skiiers! :roll:
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby willendure » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:43 am

GaryN wrote:Rosetta captures comet outburst
In unprecedented observations made earlier this year, Rosetta unexpectedly captured a dramatic comet outburst that may have been triggered by a landslide.

http://phys.org/news/2016-08-rosetta-ca ... burst.html
A landslide?? They won't publicly mention an electrical process triggered probably by solar flare/CME activity, but I'm sure there are scientists who know what is really going on.


Do we know if it coincided with solar activity? It doesn't say in the article...
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby flyingcloud » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:53 am

Indeed it did coincide with some spectacular event...

http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php ... &year=2016

MAGNETIC EXPLOSION ON THE SUN: A magnetic filament snaking across the sun's southern hemisphere exploded during the late hours of Feb. 18th. NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory recorded a beautiful movie of the explosion. Debris flew away from the sun in the form of a coronal mass ejection (CME), but the storm cloud does not appear to be heading for Earth. Solar flare alerts: text or voice

AURORA OUTBURST: Earth is slowly exiting a solar wind stream that has sparked bright auroras around the Arctic Circle for the past three days. "On Feb. 17th, the auroras lasted all night long," reports Sacha Layos of Fairbanks, Alaska. This, she says, was the highlight:
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:49 am

Do we know if it coincided with solar activity? It doesn't say in the article...


No, I don't think they would consider an association, but solar flares do affect Saturn, and 67P is much closer than that still.

An interplanetary shock traced by planetary auroral storms from the Sun to Saturn
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 02986.html

The interaction of a flare with the comets ion tail and not just the coma must also be considered I think.

From NASA:

This is not to say that space weather can't affect our planet. The explosive heat of a solar flare can't make it all the way to our globe, but electromagnetic radiation and energetic particles certainly can.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sune ... 8B5TrMoDz8

The heat of a solar flare (up to 2.7 million degrees) can not make it to Earth, but the steady 5,777K heat does somehow?
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby D_Archer » Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:52 am

GaryN wrote:The heat of a solar flare (up to 2.7 million degrees) can not make it to Earth, but the steady 5,777K heat does somehow?


The million degree temp is in measuring electrons*, the steady heat is photons. Electrons cant get to Earth, photons can. Electrons are larger, photons are smaller. Our charge field (photon push out) can easily exclude a lot/most electrons. (double layers are formed where two fields meet, ie the belts)

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*so is it real heat? not really the million comes from the speed of the electron. Real heat is photon density.
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby Osmosis » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:19 pm

Did this comet event occur about the same time as the earthquakes in Mayanmar and Italy?
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:39 am

From Jan 2016 a report on solar wind, CME, and CIR effects on 67P.
https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstream ... 380050.pdf
I have found no info on the effects of solar flare derived XUV or x-ray radiation on 67P or other comets, but if the 67P activity of 19 Feb was due to the Feb 18 solar storm it can not have been due to a CME, as that would take 7 days or so to show up at 67P. There was a flare/CME about that time though.
http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php ... &year=2016
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby seasmith » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:09 am


ROSETTA MEASURES PRODUCTION OF WATER AT COMET OVER TWO YEARS

27 September 2016


http://sci.esa.int/rosetta/58349-rosett ... two-years/
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby seasmith » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:40 am

MISSION COMPLETE: ROSETTA’S JOURNEY ENDS IN DARING DESCENT TO COMET

Some of the most unexpected and important results are linked to the gases streaming from the comet's nucleus, including the discovery of molecular oxygen and nitrogen, and water with a different ‘flavour' to that in Earth's oceans.
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While it seems that the impact of comets like Rosetta's may not have delivered as much of Earth's water as previously thought, another much anticipated question was whether they could have brought ingredients regarded as crucial for the origin of life.

Rosetta did not disappoint, detecting the amino acid glycine, which is commonly found in proteins, and phosphorus, a key component of DNA and cell membranes. Numerous organic compounds were also detected ­by Rosetta from orbit, and also by Philae in situ on the surface.


http://sci.esa.int/rosetta/2279-summary/
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby GaryN » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:17 pm

ROSETTA MEASURES PRODUCTION OF WATER AT COMET OVER TWO YEARS
27 September 2016

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The graph would look rather different with a linear Y axis scale.
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:45 am

Looking at the actual paper
( http://mnras.oxfordjournals.org/content ... l.pdf+html ),
it seems that the "emperical" data is based upon assumptions of water.
As I see it, the instruments just measure the amount of a collection of materials,
not knowing exactly what materials they were measuring. The instruments were designed
that way, because they were only expecting water. The more accurate instruments were
crashed on the comet, because they were only expecting snow.
I am totally missing the influence of the solar wind and electro-chemical reactions that
are certainly taking place.

It is sad that research like this is performed by people kissing each other asses.
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby Solar » Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:14 pm

Zyxzevn wrote:I am totally missing the influence of the solar wind and electro-chemical reactions that
are certainly taking place.


Well, here are:

ESA Rosetta Publicaitons

ADS Rosetta Papers

You'll have to comb through them as usual following the .pdf if one is available to find things such as:

CME impact on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

My personal fav from treasure hunting is this one:

The Alice far-ultraviolet spectrograph in operation around the comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko on the Rosetta spacecraft experiences an anomalistic feature (AF) that is ubiquitous at comet separations less than 450 km. This feature is highly temporally variable and displays no relation to any studied parameters with the exception of comet separation. This paper tests several possible causes with simulations and finds that positive ions produce a partial explanation for the anomaly, but still finds no definitive source of the AF. - "An investigation into potential causes of the anomalistic feature observed by the Rosetta Alice spectrograph around 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko" - Noonan et al.


Following that up lead to bullet points for the abstract (here). Two of the bullet points say:

"Rosetta Alice experiences an anomalistic FUV feature near comet 67P/CG."
"The energies of the particles causing the anomaly are greater than FUV photons."

There is a mystery. Some sort of activity was producing "anomalistic FUV" (Is that Far-Ultraviolet?).

Wonder what that might have been?
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:42 pm

Thanks Solar.

Some gems from CME impact on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

.. also observe unprecedentedly large magnetic field spikes at
800 km, reaching above 200 nT, which are interpreted as magnetic flux ropes ..


Figure 12.
Schematic illustration showing how the observed magnetic field
spikes could be interpreted as magnetic flux ropes. They could be associated
with (a) magnetic reconnection initiated as the magnetic field reverses across
the CME.


As someone who has actually studied Electromagnetism, this is complete bullshit.

Flux ropes?
Magnetic reconnection?
Have they lost their minds completely?

With simple laboratory experiments you can show that flux-ropes are part of
the medium that is sensitive to the magnetic field, not of the magnetic field itself.
The flux-ropes or flux-lines have no power by themselves.

So from the observations it seems that the plasma has some interesting electrical activity.
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