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Re: Telluric Currents

Unread postby MGmirkin » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:48 am

I honestly don't know whether this has a bearing on oceanic currents (of the telluric kind) or not. I have suspicions, due to the somewhat ordered nature of the beast... But nothing solid. Nobody quite knows what to make of it yet. One wonders whether Earth's magnetic field or the crustal magnetism of the ocean floor might have something to do with the structuring... Purest speculation though, so don't quote me. ;)

http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/2008-16.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 095207.htm
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/200 ... -sight.ars
http://news.scotsman.com/nature/Mysteri ... 3990493.jp

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Re: Telluric Currents

Unread postby hyper.real » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:14 am

bigjimsteele wrote:The Solar Super storm of 1859 was reported to not only knock out most telegraphs but even start fires.


As in bushfires, I have been wondering. Was I the only one surprised about the alacrity with which the Australian Prime Minister laid the blame for recent bushfires on arsonists, absent both evidence and a suspect? (A suspect was found some 2 weeks later).

I was intrigued to read Tom Wilson's TPoD today on electric fields in the atmosphere causing alignment of dust particles (and, incidentally, an anti-gravity transport mechanism). He cites a scientific source as having measured that "electric field strengths can be considerable, as high as 20,000 volts-per-meter at ground level during dust storms, even tens of kilometers from the storm".

Remind me again - what is the electrical breakdown voltage of air?

Of course, it would take considerable sangue-froid to contemplate doing scientific research in the middle of a bush fire. But the thought remains - given that arsonists (and allegations thereof) seem to have a distinct propensity to herd-behaviour, and that empty grog bottles left lying around might be expected to cause fires randomly distributed in time - research into atmospheric electricity might yield a dividend in saving lives.
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Re: Telluric Currents

Unread postby bboyer » Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:47 pm

bigjimsteele wrote:I am interested in learning about telluric currents but information seems sparse and restricted to technical reports for electric grids or pipelines. I was wondering if there are estimates of the total energy generated in oceans and the earth surface. Or how telluric currents change as the solar magnetic field changes. Any information or links are greatly appreciated.


This site may prove to be a useful resource on the subject.



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This web site is a resource for the electromagnetic induction community and is intended as an international electronic forum for the free exchange of knowledge, programs and data between scientists engaged in the study of the Earth using electromagnetic methods, principally the magnetotelluric technique (magnetotellurics).

Activities undertaken by members come under the auspices of Working Group I-2 - Electromagnetic Induction in the Earth - of IAGA (International Association of Geomagnetism and Aeronomy).

http://www.dias.ie/mtnet/main/


There are other references/sources listed at the end of the wiki article, here (which is where I ran across the mtnet reference) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current
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Re: Telluric Currents

Unread postby bboyer » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:11 pm

Interesting technical paper from the above referenced mtnet site, from their past em-related publications page at http://www.dias.ie/mtnet/publications/past_pubs.html. While it is rooted in conventional plate techtonics thinking it gives a nice overview of current methodologies and state-of-the-art with regard to magnetotelluric techniques. Doesn't seem to be anything going on, at least in this particular discipline, in the way of correlating any solar data.

1 Introduction

Electromagnetic methods have long been applied to elucidate underlying geophysical
mechanisms in seismic activity or volcanic eruptions, to monitor or to predict them. This is
because electromagnetic methods possess the potential to detect temporal variations of
underground geophysical states such as temperature, strain, stress and the existence, flow,
salinity and connectivity of subsurface fluids, with the aid of resistivity, electrokinetic
effects, thermal magnetic effects, piezo-electromagnetism and other solid state charge
generation mechanisms. The time scales of EM temporal variations are primarily dependent
on the time scales of the relevant geophysical mechanisms that drive the respective
EM disturbances. Accumulation of stress and strain between main shocks or main volcanic
eruptions, and variation of temperature due to thermal conduction are rather slow processes
whose time scales are longer than years. Time scales of stress–strain variations due to the
intrusion of magma before volcanic eruption or nucleation just before a main shock are
from hours to several days. Variations of temperature or of the content of interstitial fluids
due to the movement of fluids possess similar time scales. Coseismic phenomena including
the generation of fracture or co-eruptive phenomena take place on a more rapid time scale,
shorter than hours. Another factor in the determination of time scales of EM disturbances is
the dissipation of EM waves in the conducting earth. Even if rapid phenomena occur in a
very deep part of the earth, EM disturbances cannot reach the earth’s surface due to the
Joule losses. Electric (or SP) field monitoring is useful in deriving information related to
electric sources such as piezoelectricity, other solid state charge generation mechanisms,
electrokinetic phenomena, and the variation of electrical conductivity. From magnetic field
monitoring, we can derive information related to magnetic sources and the distribution of
electric current, such as thermal magnetic effects, piezomagnetic phenomena, electrokinetic
phenomena, and electrical conductivity. Electromagnetic field monitoring can afford
us information about electromagnetic waves that are generated in the earth and can be
propagated to the surface, besides information related to electrokinetic phenomena and
variation of electrical conductivity. Another category of electromagnetic monitoring is
based on a variety of controlled source EM methods, which are mainly useful in monitoring
variations in the electrical conductivity structure.

After several key observations of electromagnetic phenomena, e.g. ULF emissions at
great Chilean and Loma Prieta earthquakes (Warwick et al. 1982; Fraser-Smith et al.
1990), resistivity variations in China and Japan (e.g. Yamazaki 1975; Zhao and Qian 1994;
Chu et al. 1996), SP anomaly and variations at the La Fournaise and Unzen volcanoes
(Zlotnicki et al. 1994; Hashimoto and Tanaka 1995), seismic electric signals (SES) in
Greece (Varotsos and Alexopoulos 1984a, b), the importance of the electromagnetic
monitoring captured the attention in the world-wide geophysical community, even
though some of the phenomena are still debatable, and several big projects were
established. These key observations were summarized in previous review papers (Park
et al. 1993; Park 1996; Johnston 1997) and later, many contributions reporting the results
of the projects were published in several proceedings or special issues (e.g. Hayakawa
1999; Biagi et al. 2000; Hayakawa and Molchanov 2002; Uyeda and Park 2002; Hayakawa
et al. 2004; Parrot 2006; Harinarayana and Zlotnicki 2006), as well as in
independent research papers.

In this article, I review recent progress in EM-monitoring research. There are several
different kinds of driving mechanisms which can be monitored electromagnetically. I shall
review the contributions based on these respective driving mechanisms. Although there
have been many papers reporting precursory electromagnetic radiations in a rather high
frequency range (higher than the ELF bands) together with precursory ionosphere-terrestrial
coupling, I will not describe them in detail here, since not all of their driving
mechanisms have been clarified yet. Concerning these phenomena, the reader is referred to
contributions in the proceedings or the special issues listed above. After the EM-monitoring
research, I will briefly introduce the Network-MT observation technique, where long
baseline telluric measurements are performed by using a telephone line network. The
technique can be used both to determine regional scale deep electrical conductivity
structure and the spatial distribution of the telluric potentials, and to monitor their temporal
variation.

http://www.dias.ie/mtnet/papers/EMWKSHP ... G_2007.pdf
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Re: Telluric Currents

Unread postby bboyer » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:32 pm

A short 1937 article, "Ocean Currents" by William A. Luby (pp's 128 - 132). No EU or Plasma Cosmology, but interesting observations, including correlations of solar and planetary differential rotational flows/currents.

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi- ... lassic=YES
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Re: Telluric Currents

Unread postby bboyer » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:00 am

More golden oldies, this from the US Dept of Agriculture, Weather Bureau, Bulletin 11; Report of the International Meteorological Congress held at Chicago, IL August 21-24, 1893, Under The Auspices of The Congress Auxillary of The World's Columbian Exposition.

When weathermen and science were not adverse to the EU and electrical vocabulary. Some good stuff on telluric currents + . Don't let the title or date put you off from giving it a look-see.

http://books.google.com/books?id=prgbAA ... #PPA492,M1

We have conceded the sun to be electric or electrified, and if we can not concede a direct electric effect of such magnitude as to cause electric phenomena of importance, we can very well conceive an influence of smaller effect acting as an initiatory force.

In papers recently published, Prof. Bigelow has decided upon the existence of a certain electric stress between the sun and the earth, going out from the solar corona. It is now very likely that an outburst of glowing gas in the sun can disturb this stress in such a degree that its effect becomes perceptible on the earth, causing, for instance, an auroral display. We suppose that both conductors of the earth (the surface and air conductor) are charged almost to the point of overcoming the resistance between them, a little change in the force from the sun, an electric force wave, would be enough to cause a final display, i. e., an electric current in the atmosphere, and this will have, at least sometimes, a direct influence on the magnetic needle, but reaching the surface of the earth, it will be the cause of telluric currents, which, in turn, will be the cause of larger magnetic disturbances.

A closer examination of the questions treated above leads to the following conclusions:

The most important question, independent of theoretical opinions, seems to be that the sun's influence, magnetic or electric, is direct or exerted through an unequal absorption of solar energy in the atmosphere according to the greater or lesser number of spots. Regarding the particular relations between the earth currents and the magnetic disturbances a close investigation of the former ought to produce such good results that we may dare to expect real progress in solving the present question. Because a part of the magnetic disturbances are caused through direct effect of electric currents in the atmosphere on the magnetic instruments, it seems necessary to make them an object of thorough investigation at the same time. The researches hitherto made into atmospheric electricity can not give us a true knowledge of this current, which does not necessarily produce any change whatever in the potential near the surface of the earth. It has been regarded as a proof against the electric origin of the aurora, that no perceptible changes in this potential are observed during a display, but such an opinion seems to be thoroughly wrong. As the downward electric current can always spread over the earth's surface, it need not cause a perceptible change in the observed potential, which, therefore, may be nearly constant, but on the contrary researches of the force causing this electric current, or the potential in different altitudes will certainly lead to the desired results. Considering the signification of sun spots for pure meteorological phenomena, it seems that such researches must bring about data important for the true understanding of these phenomena, and also probably lead to results which are of use in weather forecasting, regarding the great sensitiveness of the electric phenomena.

Researches of earth currents in connection with observations of the magnetic disturbances and the electric currents in the atmosphere ought, therefore, to receive particular attention. The greater the number of places on the earth in which such observations are made the more extensive and important will the results be.

Concerning the methods for these researches I will, as soon as possible, give an account of those which were used in similar observations at Sodankyia, Finland's international polar station, 1882-'84, and submit them to a thorough discussion.


One must carefully bear in mind the fact that along these two solar fields there come to the earth two distinctly different types of ether vibrations, those of the radiant field being alternating linear displacements and those of the coronal field being rotational or vortical. They form two sources of impressed energy of fundamentally different types, and their transformation and disintegration in the atmosphere gives the basis of some observed meteorological phenomena. It will be necessary to return to this distinction after the important facts regarding the coronal field at the earth have been sufficiently enumerated.


These peculiar reversals of azimuth were found to recur at very regular intervals of nearly twenty-seven days, so that a direct connection with synodic solar rotations suggested itself. On reducing the 8-day and the 19-day intervals to degrees, it was found that the same interval occurred ns already found from the photographs of the corona between the south and the north poles on the sun. Selecting, therefore, the beginning of the short interval as that time when the south pole of the sun's magnetic system is nearest the earth, a series of computations, including four independent least square solutions, namely, for the 3d, 11th, 17th, and 22d days of the period, and embracing the twelve years, gave the epoch June 12-22, 1887, and the synodic period 26.67928 days i=26d 16" 18" 9.81, or the equivalent siderial period 24.86319 days = 24d 20" 42"' 59.6". From these data a magnetic ephemeris was constructed from 1875 to 1900, giving the dates of the recurrence of the passage of the south coronal pole of the sun past the earth. This period has been tested in so many ways, and responds to all demands upon it so faithfully, that I have no hesitation in saying that it is the natural period to be adopted in magnetical and in meteorological computations. It should, therefore, entirely supersede the use of the calendar month, as a period for taking residuals with reference to a mean, because the calendar month has no reference to periodic recurrences of these phenomena, and therefore the residuals cut themselves up in applying to a long series of observations. This successful localization of the recurrent effects with reference to certain meridians on the sun, fulfills a long-felt need in physics, and will enable us to classify the heterogenous mass of residuals in these subjects that have hitherto defied examination, and will also hasten on the process of elimination of the different systems of forces acting on the earth, and a separation into their appropriate parts. Thus, there now may be found terms depending upon the diurnal rotation of the earth on its axis, the annual motion of the earth in its orbit, and the solar rotation of 26.68, which exhaust all the astronomical periods proper. I have found the use of this period so helpful in the study of meteorological phenomena that its adoption in general can not be too strongly recommended. The remainder of this paper will be for the most part devoted to illustrating the application of the coronal period to the phenomena under consideration.
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Electric Sun and Electric Comets...

Unread postby MGmirkin » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:29 pm

We have conceded the sun to be electric or electrified, and if we cannot concede a direct electric effect of such magnitude as to cause electric phenomena of importance, we can very well conceive an influence of smaller effect acting as an initiatory effect ...


*Brain turns to mush...*

Not sure what to say now. Thanks?! :D

Seriously though, wow! So, in 1893, the sun was conceded to be electric (at least by Dr. Selim Lemstrom via the USDA Weather Bureau - Bulletin 11).
Today it's accepted as being a nuke.

Around the same time, comets were being modeled as electrically discharging bodies with spectra like those of discharge tubes.
Today they're supposed to be "dirty snowballs," wait no, "snowy dirtballs," err, "rocky iceballs," correct that: "Surprise! That comet's an asteroid, sort of..."

Birkeland also seemed to be on board with the electric comet theory...

What the hell happened between then and now??

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Re: Telluric Currents

Unread postby davesmith_au » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:58 am

What the hell happened between then and now??


Obviously the lunatics took over the asylum... :mrgreen:
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Re: Telluric Currents

Unread postby electrodogg1 » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:24 am

What the hell happened between then and now??


Well, in 1913 Niels Bohr released his model of the atom. Then in 1928 Bohr's student, George Gamow (my freshman physics professor) developed the theory of radioactive decay. Now everyone wanted to be a nuclear physicist and discover the beginnings of the universe. When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail. To the new breed of physicist, post Einstein, nuclear energy appeared to be the most efficient way to get a lot of energy out of a small space. The electric model was so 19th century.

The way to get published and famous was to make advances in nuclear theory.
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Re: Telluric Currents

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electrodogg 1 wrote:
To the new breed of physicist, post Einstein, nuclear energy appeared to be the most efficient way to get a lot of energy out of a small space. The electric model was so 19th century.
Now nuclear is so C20th and the way to get published is quantum.
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Re: Electric Sun and Electric Comets...

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MGmirkin wrote:
We have conceded the sun to be electric or electrified, and if we cannot concede a direct electric effect of such magnitude as to cause electric phenomena of importance, we can very well conceive an influence of smaller effect acting as an initiatory effect ...


*Brain turns to mush...*

Not sure what to say now. Thanks?! :D


Welcome, Michael.

MGmirkin wrote:Seriously though, wow! So, in 1893, the sun was conceded to be electric (at least by Dr. Selim Lemstrom via the USDA Weather Bureau - Bulletin 11).
Today it's accepted as being a nuke.


The Prof. Bigelow mentioned in the next sentence after the "We have conceded ...." is listed as a Prof. F. H. Blgelow of the Weather Bureau, Washington, D. C. So I think it's safe to conclude that the USDA Weather Bureau was at least partially, if not substantially, on board with the concession. I haven't researched it but it also sounds like Dr Lemstrom may have had ties with Birkeland and/or the auroral research he was engaged with, e.g. his auroral expeditions?
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Re: Electric Sun and Electric Comets...

Unread postby bboyer » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:32 pm

MGmirkin wrote:....

Around the same time, comets were being modeled as electrically discharging bodies with spectra like those of discharge tubes.
Today they're supposed to be "dirty snowballs," wait no, "snowy dirtballs," err, "rocky iceballs," correct that: "Surprise! That comet's an asteroid, sort of..."

....
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Not to veer the thread off in a new direction, but just to add a supporting comment ... from Nature, VOLUME XXIV MAY 1881 to OCTOBER 1881



LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

[Tke Editor does not hold himself responsible for opinions expressed by his correspondents. Neither can He undertake to return, or to correspond with the writers of, rejected manuscripts. No notice is taken of anonymous communications.]

[The Editor urgently requests correspondents to keep their letters as short as possible. The pressure on his space is so great that it is impossible otherwise to ensure the appearance even of communications containing interesting and novel facts.]


Tebbutt's Comet—Origination of its Proper Light

While there seems now no doubt that the honour of being the discoverer of the great comet of 1881 belongs without question to that life-long and most persevering observer, as well as successful computer, of comets, in Australia, Mr. John Tebbutt, three communications which chance to have arrived here this morning from different countries contain most diverse ideas of the nature of that portion of the comet's light which universal spectroscopic observation proves is inherent to the comet itself, indicating the existence there of carburetted gas of some kind, and is quite distinct from the concomitant weak reflection of solar light.

1. In Abbe and Chanoine Moigno's Les Mondes for August 25, that excellent physicist in Paris, M. Jamin, is represented as stating that the comet's carburetted gas could be rendered "properly" luminous only in two modes, viz., either by combustion or electric discharges. "If by combustion," says he, "how did it first take fire? what keeps up the fire perpetually? and how are the materials of the comet kept, in such a fire, from becoming red-hot, and then giving out quite a different spectrum to any that has yet been observed?" Wherefore he concludes that the cause of the "proper" light of the comet is the illumination of its constituent molecules by electric discharge, as in the gas-vacuum tubes of our laboratories.

2. But next comes a pamphlet from that accomplished spectroscopist and astronomer, Prof. C. A. Young of Princeton, New Jersey, U.S., setting forth that the bands of carburetted gas seen in the comet's spectrum do most admirably and exactly agree with the combustion-bands of coal-gas and air, as seen in a Bunsen-burner or a blowpipe flame, or in the blue base of all carbo-hydrogen flames known; while they do, on the contrary, most eminently, markedly, and distinctly disagree from the bands of the spectra of the same gases as seen in gas vacuum-tubes when illumined by electric discharge. And this conclusion of the eminent American physicist is confirmed by a pamphlet just received from M. Fievez, the spectroscopic observer of the re-organised Royal Observatory of Brussels ; as was also announced at the very time of the comet's appearance by the present most acutely observing Astronomer-Royal at Greenwich.

3. What then! Is M. Jamin's theory of the comet's proper light being entirely due to electrical illumination utterly overthrown, and the celestial phenomenon given over to a process of combustion, the mere mention of the necessary details of which suffices to show it ridiculous and impossible?

4. Not yet, I venture to think. We ought to discriminate in such a case most carefully between electricities of different intensities and different temperatures. Something too of that kind, and even much to the purpose of this cometary case, I had the honour of setting forth to the Royal Society, Edinburgh, last year, in a paper which is now being printed for their Transactions. For it was shown therein that, when using an induction-coil capable of giving sparks of such intensity as to be five inches long in the open air, a gas vacuum-tube of olefiant gas showed only the carburetted bands which Prof. Young alludes to as being absolutely not the bands which the spectrum of the comet exhibited. But when a smaller coil was employed, and more particularly when its outer helix of long thin wire was replaced by another of short thick wire (specially prepared, for the experiment), and the sparks thereby lowered in intensity to such a degree as from 1.3 of an inch, to be capable of only passing through 0.2 inch of air, then, when employed to illuminate the same olefiant gas vacuum-tube, besides the bands seen before (but now more faintly), another set of bands appeared, which were exactly those of the combustion of coal-gas and air, of Bunsen burners, blowpipe flames, blue base of all carbo-hydrogen flames, and finally—-teste Prof. C. A. Young, M. Fievez, the Astronomer-Royal, W. H. M. Christie, and others-—of Tebbutt's great comet of 1881.

5. From this condensation of testimonies I presume that no other conclusion is to be drawn than that the electrical discharges permeating the whole length of a comet's tail must be .something exceedingly weak in intensity;-—and the gentlemen who employ electrically lit up gas vacuum-lubes in their laboratories must do their spiriting with them in future much more gently, if they would really arrive at what goes on in cometary existences. The following exception, too, duly mentioned by Prof. Young, to his general rule, seems to lend in the same direction. For he states "that while the evidence as to the identity of the flame and comet spectra is almost overwhelming, the peculiar ill-defined appearance of the cometary bands at the time of the comet's greatest brightness is, however, something which he has not yet succeeded in imitating with the flame spectrum."

6. "Certainly not," we may add to this most honest confession ; for as the comet's greater brightness near its perihelion passage could hardly be due to anything else than a temporary increase in the intensity of its illuminating electric currents, that would tend to bring out the tube-set of carburetted bands to interfere with, and spoil the neatness and sharpness of, the so-called flame-bands, and would certainly imply a quality or temperature which does not exist in any known simple flame, but is found in the spark of even the smallest induction coil, unless some special means are taken to damp down its intensity.

I have long wished at this Observatory to try a whole course of electric illuminations, as of the old friction machine, Holtz's machine, modern dynamo-machine, coils in variety, and whatever is capable of giving out electricity in any visible luminous shape; but the state of miserable starvation in which this Royal Observatory, Edinburgh, is kept throughout all its branches by Government, and their continued neglect of the applications of their own "Board of Visitors" to "endeavour to obtain justice to this Observatory"—-the very words of the last public remit from the Board-meeting, of which the venerable Duncan McLaren, then M.P. for Edinburgh, was chairman—-prevent any important apparatus being purchased, or even obtained on loan, to prosecute the inquiries which the science of the times demands.

Piazzi Smyth,
Astronomer-Royal for Scotland Royal Observatory, Edinburgh, August 29

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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

Unread postby Krackonis » Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:08 am

arc-us wrote:Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Morning Glory cloud Reply with quote
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Axis Monday wrote:<snip>
Could this be partly caused by the great Australian current that @rc-us found?


Great pics of the Morning Glories, AM. Never heard that term applied to clouds before. They reminded me of Kelvin-Helmholtz Instabilities. Here's a couple pics of them over the Antarctic region, near Mt Erebus and Mt Terror.

antarctic_kelvin-helmholtz_instabilities1.jpg



antarctic_kelvin-helmholtz_instabilities2.jpg



The braided-rope appearance calls to mind Birkeland Currents, as does the lower pic you posted. Wonder if the Morning Glories are Kelvin-Helmholtz Instabilities are Birkeland currents?

The Antarctic images above were cropped from the large original at http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/real ... 0.500m.jpg

Oh yeah, speaking of Antarctic (Mt Erebus/Mt Terror) and oceanic volcanoes (earlier), ran across this 2004 MSNBC article:

LINK: Underwater Antarctic volcano found: Research ship documents apparently fresh lava flow



If you didn't mention those pictures were of clouds I would have said they were comets.

Perhaps that's a clue.
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Re: Telluric Currents

Unread postby Krackonis » Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:05 pm

electrodogg1 wrote:
What the hell happened between then and now??


Well, in 1913 Niels Bohr released his model of the atom. Then in 1928 Bohr's student, George Gamow (my freshman physics professor) developed the theory of radioactive decay. Now everyone wanted to be a nuclear physicist and discover the beginnings of the universe. When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail. To the new breed of physicist, post Einstein, nuclear energy appeared to be the most efficient way to get a lot of energy out of a small space. The electric model was so 19th century.

The way to get published and famous was to make advances in nuclear theory.


To think that everything about an atom involves electricity and electrons interacting with protons and splitting neutrons etc... I find it hard they cannot question what keeps these objects powered. Even when dealing with Nuclear Physics a reaction produces so many "electron-volts".

There are blinders in their minds eye that prevent them from progressing past the gravity biased theories..
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Re: Electric Sun and Electric Comets...

Unread postby MGmirkin » Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:47 pm

arc-us wrote:Not to veer the thread off in a new direction, but just to add a supporting comment ... from Nature, VOLUME XXIV MAY 1881 to OCTOBER 1881


In this case, veer away for a moment! By all means...

arc-us wrote:

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

...

Tebbutt's Comet—Origination of its Proper Light

1. In Abbe and Chanoine Moigno's Les Mondes for August 25, that excellent physicist in Paris, M. Jamin, is represented as stating that the comet's carburetted gas could be rendered "properly" luminous only in two modes, viz., either by combustion or electric discharges ... he concludes that the cause of the "proper" light of the comet is the illumination of its constituent molecules by electric discharge, as in the gas-vacuum tubes of our laboratories ...


A good historical document to dig up!

Now back to your regularly scheduled "telluric currents..."

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