Electric Venus

Historic planetary instability and catastrophe. Evidence for electrical scarring on planets and moons. Electrical events in today's solar system. Electric Earth.

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Re: Electric Venus

Unread post by Ronmamita » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:15 pm

DID VENUS DESTROY COMET LOVEJOY?

WOW, this is amazing evidence of activity from the planet Venus!
Comet Lovejoy nears venus and breaks up, then the site goes offline for afew days.
Please everyone visit the space agencies to download all available imagery before they remove them or doctor them; visit nasa, esa and others.

NASA claims it is venus volcanic eruption; I doubt that to be the case.
Activity goes far from the surface and other activities contradicts the plausibility of volcanic eruption...
Here is a video copied view from the SECCHI-B HI-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlgjH-lE7MA

Search the dates starting on 12/24/2011 - through today 1/6/2012 (several recent days not yet available).
Dutchsince narration can be ignored but he has recorded an event of importance I think.
Let me know what you discover and can uncover.
Such as how close did comet lovejoy approach the planet Venus?
What electromagnetic measurements were recorded?
What plasma density were observed?

I look forward to a lively discussion :)

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Venus Life Found in Venera Images says Ksanfomality

Unread post by quantauniverse » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:51 pm

Venus could support silicon based life. Ksanfomality has found what appears to be a moving scorpion object in new 2009 enhanced imagery filmed during the venera 13 landing. The scorpion appears 90 minutes after the camera started, and moves for 26 minutes until disappearing into a groove or fissure in the surface. A creature made inside of molten silicates, would travel through widespread common surface rock fissures. Venus is unique in the solar system, because radar echoes detected huge Arachnoids that from a fractal spidery web rock like structure, that cannot be explained having an unknown formation different to volcanism. These arachnoids could have a biological instead of a geological origin. See my scientific evidence for this at
http://holographicgalaxy.blogspot.com/2 ... uring.html

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Re: Venus Life Found in Venera Images says Ksanfomality

Unread post by Sparky » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:09 pm

-in new 2009 enhanced imagery-
Photoshop for movies? sounds suspicious ...
Arachnoids that from a fractal spidery web rock like structure, that cannot be explained having an unknown formation different to volcanism.
Yes, different from volcanism.....But not an unknown formation mechanism....These appear to me to be electrical discharge scaring.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www. ... GkPbTnE3IA

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://thun ... X_ZVJDJvxg

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www. ... QM_sG-cgOA

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www. ... VK6Ojh0JPQ
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Re: Venus Life Found in Venera Images says Ksanfomality

Unread post by tholden » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:00 pm

I'll believe living things at 900 degrees F when I see them....

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Re: Venus Life Found in Venera Images says Ksanfomality

Unread post by jjohnson » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:25 am

It's good to be open-minded, but let the evidence speak for itself, and use your critical-thinking faculties.

The news article appears to only show one time-lapse still
of the alleged critter in motion, although it claimed it had changed position. All it showed was a terribly over-magnified, highly pixelated image as a "closeup" of the clumpy dark area o' life. Except for the technical problems of an acid laden atmosphere and temperatures and pressures several times those on Earth, my point and shoot could have made a better image than that camera. Motion is but one, and not necessarily a very crucial, criterion of life.

None of the other living-organism were, nor could they have been with the available equipment on-site, measured or observed. Metabolism and metabolites, reproduction, etc. are lacking in the observational chain.

Two or three possibilities exist to this conjecture: it may have been a fossilized specimen of something once living, although the probability of something as advanced as an arthropod, especially in the absence of any other observed life forms, seems at first blush pretty low. Could Venus have once been a haven of life and then the cars and generator plants snuffed everything out in The Great Warming? No evidence of that, either. And fossils are not particularly mobile.

The possibility that life could exist in some form in those conditions can't yet be ruled out. We have life forms living in extreme conditions here on "comfortable" Earth, although not in anything like those on Venus. So a different chemistry, adapted to different conditions, might be possible, in concept, and shouldn't be ruled out until there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. So far, there is no evidence either way (possible; impossible) for Venusian life, so no conclusion can be drawn, and "you can't prove a negative" as the logicians say, although "proof" is not the appropriate term in evaluating scientific hypotheses.

So far, to me, this is science fiction, emphasis on the fiction. Science fiction authors have been right before, however (Arthur C. Clarke and geostationary satellites) , and wrong (the notion that cloudy Venus was a lush, tropical paradise).

Take your pick. It will be interesting to see his follow-up papers, purporting to have even better imagery.

Jim

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Pancake Domes Recycle crust without plate tectonics

Unread post by quantauniverse » Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:01 am

A video on Venus life near the end shows pancake domes: http://youtube.com/watch?v=nI9flluCsZA
The pancake dome formation is uncertain. Sticky lavas are silica-rich and formed by lots of recycling of the crust says Thunderbolts: http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... php?p=4084
Recycling of material inside pancake domes could be a sign of living processes, because they are all intricately detailed all the same sized shapes that can form clusters, appearing much like living cell colonies. Ksanfomality said in recent interview that his next papers will be much better then the first, which barely covered much.

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Re: Venus Life Found in Venera Images says Ksanfomality

Unread post by Sparky » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:05 pm

The pancake dome formation is uncertain.
Astronomers only have gravity, water, and volcanoes to make geological formations.

EU has gravity, water, volcanoes, and electrical activity.

Pancake domes are most probably formed by electrical discharges.

Electrical Discharge Machining, arc welding, and plasma experiments are the Earth Based observations supporting this view.

EDIT: From the forum link supplied in previous post:
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=9aqt6cz5
Comment: Most of the 'volcanoes' on Venus are electrical scars. That may be why no obvious lava flows occurred during the Magellan Orbiter radar surveillance of the planet. A steady fall in sulfur dioxide levels detected by the Pioneer Orbiter over a time span of several years may have been due to a giant volcano erupting shortly before. But it also possible that another simple nuclear reaction is taking place at the surface of Venus, involving the combination of the two atoms of oxygen in an oxygen molecule to form one atom of sulfur. It is a process occurring today in plain view on Jupiter's moon, Io. In any case, volcanoes are an electric discharge phenomenon so that the discovery of active volcanoes on Venus cannot be used as a distinguishing test for or against the electrical model of Venus.
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Re: Venus Life Found in Venera Images says Ksanfomality

Unread post by Observist » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:49 pm

"Astronomers only have gravity, water, and volcanoes to make geological formations.

EU has gravity, water, volcanoes, and electrical activity."

The ignorance in that equation is outstanding. Since when did all the Astronomers (since you know ALL of them) throw out Electricity as a viable Geological former. Please, for all of us, use your head next time. Also, Ive read the rules but, I believe your friend here needs to read them again.

These Pancake Domes are the result of Magma, not anything DIRECTLY related to Electricity, or EU for that matter.
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Re: Venus Life Found in Venera Images says Ksanfomality

Unread post by nick c » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:16 pm

Observist wrote:Since when did all the Astronomers (since you know ALL of them) throw out Electricity as a viable Geological former.
I am sure that most here would be interested in any references, papers, and such, that you could give, whereby astronomers (or geologists) explain the geological features of any planets, moons, asteroids, etc. by invoking electrical processes.
The only one that I am aware of is Thomas Gold, who was considered a maverick by mainstream and not widely accepted. I believe he ascribed an EU type electrical machining to one of the moons of Jupiter (not sure of that) in the 1980's.
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Re: Venus Life Found in Venera Images says Ksanfomality

Unread post by nick c » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:32 pm

Yes,
Thomas Gold put forth an EU-type explanation (1979) of the origin of the surface features of Jupiter's moon Io.
http://www.science-frontiers.com/ios-el ... lcanos.htm
Well, again afaik he stands alone. I would be interested in any papers by consensus astronomy/geology that invoke electrical forces in the formation of planetary surface features.

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Re: Venus Life Found in Venera Images says Ksanfomality

Unread post by ddaveo » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:25 am

quantauniverse wrote:Venus could support silicon based life.

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A creature made inside of molten silicates, would travel through widespread common surface rock fissures.


Thought I'd throw this into the mix while we're talking about life on Venus. It's a few interesting points taken from the Wikipedia article Hypothetical types of biochemistry:

The most commonly proposed basis for an alternative biochemical system is the silicon atom, since silicon has many chemical properties similar to carbon and is in the same periodic table group, the carbon group. Like carbon, silicon can create molecules that are sufficiently large to carry biological information.[5]

However, silicon has several drawbacks as a carbon alternative. Silicon, unlike carbon, lacks the ability to form chemical bonds with diverse types of atoms, which permits the chemical versatility necessary for metabolism. Elements creating organic functional groups with carbon include hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus, sulfur, and metals such as iron, magnesium, and zinc. Silicon, on the other hand, interacts with very few other types of atoms.[5] Moreover, where it does interact with other atoms, silicon creates molecules that have been described as "monotonous compared with the combinatorial universe of organic macromolecules".[5] This is because silicon atoms are much bigger, having a larger mass and atomic radius, and so have difficulty forming double or triple covalent bonds, which are important for a biochemical system.

Silanes, which are chemical compounds of hydrogen and silicon that are analogous to the alkane hydrocarbons, are highly reactive with water, and long-chain silanes spontaneously decompose. Molecules incorporating polymers of alternating silicon and oxygen atoms instead of direct bonds between silicon, known collectively as silicones, are much more stable. It has been suggested that silicone-based chemicals would be more stable than equivalent hydrocarbons in a sulfuric-acid-rich environment, as is found in some extraterrestrial locations.[6] Complex long-chain silicone molecules are still less stable than their carbon counterparts, though.

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Re: Venus Life Found in Venera Images says Ksanfomality

Unread post by Sparky » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:38 am

Observist ,
These Pancake Domes are the result of Magma, not anything DIRECTLY related to Electricity, or EU for that matter.
The ignorance in that conclusion, as pompously stated, is exceedingly outstanding. Only the most miniscule amount of independent investigation should convince anyone, with a smattering of critical thinking and basic intelligence, that the evidence points toward the EU paradigm as the formative forces in the universe.

Observist, your view is myopic, and perverted by the cultish dogma that trained you, corrupting your observations. :D

Here, educate yourself! 8-)
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Re: Venus Life Found in Venera Images says Ksanfomality

Unread post by quantauniverse » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:09 am

Silicon life might first arose on earth until it cooled and obtained an oxygen atmosphere. Venus has stayed hot with CO2 greenhousing, and maintains suitable silicon life conditions including: Extreme Temp and 90x earth Pressure, parts per million O2 and H20, CO2 96.4% and N2 3.5%, H2SO4 liquid sulfuric acid in clouds, and minerals including iron pyrite in the highlands. Under these conditions on Venus, many complex molecular Silanes could form Organosilicates. Silanes are silicon hydrogen compounds that would grow favorable structures as colonies. Organic-Inorganic hybrid formation of Helical Silica Nanotubes was shown by Wang. Carbon based nanotubes wrap helical DNA on earth. Iron availability serves to strengthen organosilicates, making them highly stable and more probable to form life on conditions like Venus highlands, such as where pancake domes form extraordinary 25 km high and 1 mile high colonial clusters. Volcanoes on Mercury, Venus, and the Jovian planet moons have electrical connections with their orbits. Volcanic Magma and electricity both forms planets.

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Venus Slowing Down?

Unread post by The Aten » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:06 am

Venus appears to be slowing down significantly.

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM0TLSXXXG_index_0.html

This will come as no surprise to the growing band of Velikovskians out there who believe Venus is a new edition.

Prediction:

It will further slow, stop and then begin to spin the same way as the rest of the planets.

It will also rapidly cool down and eventually lose its atmosphere (which is currently fed by millions of highly active volcanic vents) as a result of the solar wind. It will then take on the appearance of a dead volcanic rocky 'cloudless' planet analogous perhaps to the appearance of Mercury or Mars.

I predict this will come to pass in hundreds (if not less) and not thousands of years. But hey, who's listening?

Gary Gilligan

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Re: Venus Life Found in Venera Images says Ksanfomality

Unread post by +EyeOn-W-ANeed2Know » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:02 pm

Observist wrote:"Astronomers only have gravity, water, and volcanoes to make geological formations.

EU has gravity, water, volcanoes, and electrical activity."

The ignorance in that equation is outstanding. Since when did all the Astronomers (since you know ALL of them) throw out Electricity as a viable Geological former. Please, for all of us, use your head next time. Also, Ive read the rules but, I believe your friend here needs to read them again.

These Pancake Domes are the result of Magma, not anything DIRECTLY related to Electricity, or EU for that matter.
I agree there might be a couple other factors* responsible for geological formations. LOL! Surprisingly absent were things like atmospheric errosion & of course the ever popular extraterrestrial go-to, Impacts...
However, the denial provided in the second sentence is rendered completely, utterly moot by the provision of such a perfect example in your very next statement.
It's not the smoothest transition going from "Since when did all the Astronomers.... throw out Electricity as a viable Geological former?" to "Pancake Domes are the result of Magma, not anything DIRECTLY related to Electricity, or EU for that matter".

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