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Re: Venus’ Winds Are Mysteriously Speeding Up

Unread postby pavlink » Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:57 pm

pavlink wrote:It is not just Venus.
The whole solar system, including the Sun, is changing.

That is one of the effects of the Sun's driving current change.

The question is, what is driving the solar current change?
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14488&p=85619#p85619

Pedestrians blown off their feet by hurricane-strength winds in Oregon
http://www.sott.net/article/273001-Pede ... -in-Oregon
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Space Weather Explosions at Venus

Unread postby StefanR » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:06 pm

Planet-Sized Space Weather Explosions at Venus

Researchers recently discovered that a common space weather phenomenon on the outskirts of Earth’s magnetic bubble, the magnetosphere, has much larger repercussions for Venus. The giant explosions, called hot flow anomalies, can be so large at Venus that they’re bigger than the entire planet and they can happen multiple times a day.

"Not only are they gigantic," said Glyn Collinson, a space scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "But as Venus doesn’t have a magnetic field to protect itself, the hot flow anomalies happen right on top of the planet. They could swallow the planet whole."
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Collinson is the first author of a paper on these results that appeared online in the Journal of Geophysical Research in February 2014. The work is based on observations from the European Space Agency's Venus Express. The results show just how large and how frequent this kind of space weather is at Venus.

Earth is protected from the constant streaming solar wind of radiation by its magnetosphere. Venus, however, has no such luck. A barren, inhospitable planet, with an atmosphere so dense that spacecraft landing there are crushed within hours, Venus has no magnetic protection.

Scientists like to compare the two: What happened differently at Earth to make it into the life-supporting planet it is today? What would Earth be like without its magnetic field?

At Earth, hot flow anomalies do not make it inside the magnetosphere, but they release so much energy just outside that the solar wind is deflected, and can be forced to move back toward the sun. Without a magnetosphere, what happens at Venus is very different.

Venus's only protection from the solar wind is the charged outer layer of its atmosphere called the ionosphere. A sensitive pressure balance exists between the ionosphere and the solar wind, a balance easily disrupted by the giant energy rush of a hot flow anomaly. The hot flow anomalies may create dramatic, planet-scale disruptions, possibly sucking the ionosphere up and away from the surface of the planet.

http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/planet-sized-space-weather-explosions-at-venus/#.UwZ5qoWtLi4

plasma plume -hot flow anomaly?
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=92646#p92646
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Venus's Retrograde Rotation is Slowing

Unread postby jtb » Sat May 31, 2014 4:55 am

The retrograde rotation of Venus is slowing and may eventually transition to a prograde rotation due to galactic electromagnetism. At that time the theory of tidal locking may have to be revisited because it fails to distinguish between an orbital axis and a rotational axis.

The orbital axis of Venus is the sun as the orbital axis of the moon is Earth.

An orbital axis can be compared to the stationary central axle of a Ferris Wheel, while a rotational axis is similar to the axle of the Ferris Wheel car.

If the rotational axle rusts and freezes solid, an observer at the central axle will only see one side per orbit of the non-rotating car. That's how we presently see the moon and how the sun sees Venus.

Squirt a little WD40 on the rotational axle to free it, and the observer at the center sees all sides of the rotating car once per orbit.

Venus and the moon are presently rotating on their orbital axis; not their rotational axis.
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Re: Venus's Retrograde Rotation is Slowing

Unread postby jacmac » Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:42 pm

jtb,

I believe your ferris wheel analogy gives the right idea but is not actually correct.

If you place your observer ABOVE the sun and Venus it might be easier to see.

If VENUS is fixed to her rotation axis(as seen from above) during one solar orbit she will appear to make one revolution as seen from the sun. If she presents the same face to the sun for one orbit she will make one revolution as seen from above.

Our moon and Venus both orbit and revolve. IMHO

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Re: Venus's Retrograde Rotation is Slowing

Unread postby jtb » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:36 am

If VENUS is fixed to her rotation axis(as seen from above) during one solar orbit she will appear to make one revolution as seen from the sun.


Agreed. With the theory of tidal locking assumed, when Venus retrogrades to the point of non-rotation, it will appear to rotate once per orbit as observed from the sun.

When it continues to one pro grade rotation only one side of Venus will be visible from the sun.

If Venus continues to two pro grade rotations, it will appear to rotate once per orbit as observed from the sun, the same as a non-rotating Venus.

How do you distinguish between a non rotating Venus and one rotating twice per orbit?

If she presents the same face to the sun for one orbit she will make one revolution as seen from above.


Agreed, but if rotation is fixed (axle is frozen), the appearance of rotation is an illusion.

An object with a fixed axis is rotating about the center of the orbit; not its axis. The axis can't be fixed and said to be rotating at the same time.

Another example is a horse on a merry-go-round. The horse is rotating about the center axle; not about the pole through its back. As seen from above, there is the illusion of rotation, when in reality we know the horse is not rotating about the pole.

Keep in mind that an axis can be imaginary or real. A real axis is an axle. Cosmic bodies have an imaginary axis.
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"Venus Express" mission - contradictions??

Unread postby neilwilkes » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:13 pm

Can someone please explain the seemingly irreconcilable contradictions here please (and I am not being facetious either - this is a genuine quest for information).
On 1st October 2012, this was announced:
http://phys.org/news/2012-10-curious-cold-layer-atmosphere-venus.html#nRlv
followed today by this one:
http://phys.org/news/2015-03-unexplained-layer-venus-atmosphere.html#nRlv

So is the atmosphere unexpectedly cold or unexpectedly warm?
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Re: "Venus Express" mission - contradictions??

Unread postby D_Archer » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:39 am

Temperature is relative. When they say hot it is only in relation to a colder area and vice versa. (ie hot poles of Saturn but really they are cold ( minus temps) but in relation to the rest of the planet they are hotter).

And Earth and Venus are not really alike:

In EU > Venus is younger than Earth

In GTSM > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZnKskGCGZI

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Re: "Venus Express" mission - contradictions??

Unread postby neilwilkes » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:48 am

Thanks Daniel.
I understand Venus is much younger - possibly as recent as 1500BCE - and is nothing like Earth is.
The articles are simply misleading or badly written.
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Re: "Venus Express" mission - contradictions??

Unread postby Bomb20 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:53 am

I think we realize that both temperatures (2012 and 2015) were computed and not measured and they were computed for different regions.

2012: Data for terminator - transitional region between day and night side.
125 km altitude: - 175°C = 98 K (colder than they thought)

2015: Data for the night side.
90 to 100 km altitude: 220 K to 240 K (20 K to 40 K warmer than expected)

Then look at the 2nd illustration in the 2nd link.
The colors at circa 125 km indicate values between roughly 120 K and 150 K on the night side.

And now we see a problem!
In 2012 the transitional region was computed with 98K at 125 km altitude.
In 2015 the night side seems to display computed values from 120 K to 150 K at 125 km altitude in this illustration.

IMHO there is a real problem existing:
Why should the night side be warmer than the transitional region at 125 km? 120-150 K vs 98 K!

I think they have corrected their old (2012) "unexpected cold" temperature at 125 km without telling us.

Did they increase the temperatures to make the cold temperature vanish?

And now they are surprised to find that this new computing is resulting in "unexpected warm" areas a little lower at 90-100 km altitude.

Did I see this correct or did I miss anything?
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Re: "Venus Express" mission - contradictions??

Unread postby viscount aero » Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:24 am

There is also the issue of the superrotation of the Venusian atmosphere that is unexplainable. It cannot necessarily be driven by heat only as Titan features the same characteristic of its atmosphere at cryogenic distances. Titan's atmosphere, to my recollection, features regions of high heat as well as very chilly conditions. It's very complex. The atmospheres of Titan and Venus are highly complex and thick structures that both rotate around the planets extremely quickly as if they are "satellites". In my opinion the science should be focused on comparing and contrasting these worlds' atmospheres as they are more similar to each other than Earth versus Venus. In so doing they may find better results than insisting that Venus is Earth's "sister" planet. Earth and Venus are highly dissimilar.
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Venus has an ‘electric wind’

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:21 pm

Strong ‘electric wind’ strips planets of oceans and atmospheres
The team discovered Venus’ electric field using the NASA-SwRI-UCL electron spectrometer, which is part of a larger instrument called ASPERA-4 aboard the ESA Venus Express. When monitoring electrons flowing out of the upper atmosphere, they noticed the electrons were not escaping at their expected speeds because they were being tugged on by Venus’ potent electric field. By measuring the change in speed, the team found the strength of the field to be much stronger than expected, and at least five times more powerful than at Earth.
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Re: Venus has an ‘electric wind’

Unread postby nick c » Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:30 am

I am moving this post to the "Electric Venus" thread.

As an interesting side note, Glyn Collinson (one of the scientists mentioned in the article) made several posts on the "Electric Venus" thread several years ago.
See:
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