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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby pavlink » Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:50 am

Sparky wrote:Also, the half life of neutrons and their ability to remain in close proximity to neutrons. :D

In close proximity like in neutron stars?
Long enough?
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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby pavlink » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:02 pm

Sparky wrote:Have you looked up the fusion process? :D

Since you are already introduced with stacked spins:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14633&start=30#p88388
you understand the "half life" of energy, i.e. energy to matter transformation.
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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby pavlink » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:29 pm

Sparky wrote:Then ask if I can provide empirical data to lend support for your conclusion? :roll: Hello! Earth to Pav....what galaxy are you in?

A galaxy of double stars.
look at the recurrent combination of red and blue partner stars ( partial list ).
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9219#p75680

Note: red and green are false colors representing separate IR bands.
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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby Sparky » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:38 am

Growth from fusion? :? :roll: Neutron masses? nonsense! :roll:
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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby viscount aero » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:06 pm

The wording of the article reveals a conundrum that is not revealed. They allege this planet is new and young and has been discovered only "shortly after [its] birth." If so then how do they explain it drifting alone, away from its alleged parent star? It would have immediately left its "parent star" for it to fit the profile they allege. They never make any mention of this (hint: it entirely contradicts core accretion theory).
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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby Siggy_G » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:04 am

pavlink wrote:To extract energy from electrical field you need second point of contact.
Any star needs a partner.


The two points (voltmeter) is just used to measure the potential drop between them. It's correct that you need two regions of net electric potential difference for a electric current to occur; similar to a cathode and an anode. However, according to the Electric Star model, those two regions aren't assumed or required to come from a double star system.

Of course, the Sun does not have an identifiable cathode in space like the metal cathode in the glow discharge tube. Instead, the plasma in space forms a bubble, known as a “virtual cathode.” Effectively it is the heliopause.

- Wal Thornhill, from Holoscience article: A Mystery Solved - Welcome to the Electric Universe


Measuring electric currents in space is usually derived from the observed magnetic fields they create (hereby dervied from polarization / Faraday rotation). Certain emissions can also be indicative of a discharge. The electric field is assumed to be rather weak and long range for a star, but the domino effect of currents thoughout the stellar sphere is ultimatelly focused on the star. Currents can also be induced in a conductive medium that moves through a varying magnetic field. Not unseen in space either.
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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby pavlink » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:52 am

Siggy_G wrote:
pavlink wrote:To extract energy from electrical field you need second point of contact.
Any star needs a partner.


The two points (voltmeter) is just used to measure the potential drop between them. It's correct that you need two regions of net electric potential difference for a electric current to occur; similar to a cathode and an anode. However, according to the Electric Star model, those two regions aren't assumed or required to come from a double star system.

Of course, the Sun does not have an identifiable cathode in space like the metal cathode in the glow discharge tube. Instead, the plasma in space forms a bubble, known as a “virtual cathode.” Effectively it is the heliopause.

- Wal Thornhill, from Holoscience article: A Mystery Solved - Welcome to the Electric Universe


Heliopause is just part of the electrical circuit.
It is the surface of balance between the stars.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9992#p77148

Otherwise, who is constantly replenishing net electrical potential difference?
Where is the source?
It could not be the heliopause itself.
The heliopause is just the observed result.
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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby Siggy_G » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:15 am

pavlink wrote:Heliopause is just part of the electrical circuit.
It is the surface of balance between the stars.

Otherwise, who is constantly replenishing net electrical potential difference?
Where is the source?
It could not be the heliopause itself.
The heliopause is just the observed result.


Indeed, it's a relatively local part of a more complex circuit. Continued from the same quote as mentioned above:

In plasma terms, the heliopause is not a result of mechanical shock but is a Langmuir plasma sheath that forms between two plasmas of different charge densities and energies. In this case it forms the boundary between the Sun’s plasma and that of the galaxy. Such “bubbles” are seen at all scales, from the comas of comets to the ‘magnetospheres’ of planets and stars. To the plasma engineer they show that the central body is electrically charged relative to its surroundings.

- Wal Thornhill, from Holoscience article: A Mystery Solved - Welcome to the Electric Universe
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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby pavlink » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:56 am

Siggy_G wrote:
pavlink wrote:Heliopause is just part of the electrical circuit.
It is the surface of balance between the stars.

Otherwise, who is constantly replenishing net electrical potential difference?
Where is the source?
It could not be the heliopause itself.
The heliopause is just the observed result.


Indeed, it's a relatively local part of a more complex circuit. Continued from the same quote as mentioned above:

In plasma terms, the heliopause is not a result of mechanical shock but is a Langmuir plasma sheath that forms between two plasmas of different charge densities and energies. In this case it forms the boundary between the Sun’s plasma and that of the galaxy. Such “bubbles” are seen at all scales, from the comas of comets to the ‘magnetospheres’ of planets and stars. To the plasma engineer they show that the central body is electrically charged relative to its surroundings.

- Wal Thornhill, from Holoscience article: A Mystery Solved - Welcome to the Electric Universe

"bubble" is not quite correct.
heliopause is anisotropic, being directionally dependent.
In solar system case more chalice like.

Suppose heliopases are the result of not localized ( for a star system ) source, therefore we should observe unidirectionality in the heliopauses across bigger region, say a spiral arm section.
For example Sun heliopause and Betelgeuse's shoud be aligned.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9801#p76801
And that should be true for all our close neighbours.
But we don't have such observations.

There are enough evidence already for another option.
The star powering circuit has another local component.
The indispensable partner neutron star that is closing the circuit locally.
We live in a double star system.
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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby Siggy_G » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:18 pm

pavlink wrote:(...) For example Sun heliopause and Betelgeuse's shoud be aligned.
And that should be true for all our close neighbours.
But we don't have such observations.

There are enough evidence already for another option.
The star powering circuit has another local component.
The indispensable partner neutron star that is closing the circuit locally.



The alignment of planetary nebulae in the central bulge of the Milky Way is recently observed to be parallell to the galactic plane (Space News link). It is clearly a link to a magnetic influence, especially in the forming stage of stars, and is expected in an electric galaxy model. However, alignments can vary further out, and the exact configuration of electric currents is yet to be modelled. It is not unlikely that currents branch out more within the spiral arms, the further out from the central bulge one gets. Hence, the magnetic alignment for each star isn't neccesarily along the average current direction. Looking at any image of a spiral galaxy, you'll find that it doesn't have the perfect conceptual shape of a (dual armed) spiral, and nor does the magnetic fields (and hence electric current configuration). So, it's not a falsification of the electric galaxy model, it just means that the detailed configuration is as varied as the galactic structure.

It is not impossible that there is a brown dwarf orbiting in the far outskirts of our planetary system; it is in line with the Electric Universe model that gas giants and stars can migrate and be captured between stellar systems. However, there is no requirement for an electric star system to be binary, and certainly not for one of the stars to be a 'neutron star'. Though, there is a paper on a similar model somewhat in accordance with the standard model, but touching upon an electric binary model with ohmic heating, if you want to dive into it:
An electrically powered binary star? (Wu et al, 2001)
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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby pavlink » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:13 am

Siggy_G wrote:It is not impossible that there is a brown dwarf orbiting in the far outskirts of our planetary system; it is in line with the Electric Universe model that gas giants and stars can migrate and be captured between stellar systems. However, there is no requirement for an electric star system to be binary, and certainly not for one of the stars to be a 'neutron star'.

Dear Siggy_G,

You can stay with "virtual cathode" and "unknown current configuration".
Or try to incorporate in the theory the new observations.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14654#p88395
And get closer to physics.
Thats the logical path of evolution for a scientific theory.
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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby Siggy_G » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:17 am

pavlink wrote:Dear Siggy_G,

You can stay with "virtual cathode" and "unknown current configuration".
Or try to incorporate in the theory the new observations.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14654#p88395
And get closer to physics.
Thats the logical path of evolution for a scientific theory.


Thanks for the advice. I looked at your image list of apparent binary stars. Is the existence of binary stars a problem for the Electric Star model? Not at all. Is it incorporated? Yes.


Sometimes, for dynamic reasons or to spread the electrical load over a greater surface area, forming stars will electrically fission into binaries or multiple star systems. This scenario may explain some of the surprising abundance of multiple star systems and close orbiting ‘hot Jupiters.’

- Wal Thornhill, from Holoscience: Science’s Looming ‘Tipping Point’


Significantly, the larger the white dwarf, the lower the current density and the lower the apparent temperature. This trend has been noted with some puzzlement by researchers. White dwarfs the size of the Sun and a little larger are stars under lower electrical stress than normal. This may occur, for example, in binary star systems like that of Sirius, where one star usurps most of the available electrical energy.

- Wal Thornhill, from Holoscience: NASA's Dim View of Stars
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Re: exoplanet PSO J318.5-22 drifts alone in space

Unread postby Xuxalina Rihhia » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:53 pm

It seems that we may actually live in a quintuple star system with Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune now being in dark-mode. Jupiter was part of our present solar system while Saturn Uranus, Neptune and the rocky planets including Earth were part of the the Saturnian system. They were in a series much like a Harbig-Haro configuration. Uranus was most likely tilted over by some immensely powerful arc of electricity. While they were in the Saturnian system, opposite of Earth, Venus and Mars, they were also glowing with their own plasmaspheres. Perhaps if they had planets close enough to them that were big enough, they could have supported life as well. Any such plants, like with Saturn would be green since Uranus and Neptune, along with Saturn would generate mostly red light with some blue, giving them a majenta/purple glow. Chlorophyll would work best with Saturn, Uranus and Neptune lights.
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New planet that cannot exist

Unread postby beekeeper » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:19 pm

http://on.rt.com/8xka9m hope this is the right address if not check out rt.com
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Re: New planet that cannot exist

Unread postby beekeeper » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:41 am

My puzzle in this article is that they will agree that the existence of this planet defies the accepted theories on the formation of planets. Then they project with a negligible margin of error that the temperature at the surface of this planet is some one thousand degree celsius from a distance of some 400 light years. Now assuming that the planet is an offspring of the near star the temperature could very well be close to the star,s temperature, of many tens of thousands
Of degree celsius. Their temperature deductions are based on the distance between the. Star and the planet and
Assumes of no other forces involved. If the planet is a plasma ball ejected from the star are there other means to establish its real temperature, and really discredit their temperature assumptions
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