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Re: NASA * MYSTERY OF THE LUNAR IONOSPHERE

Unread postby Lloyd » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:04 pm

* I made a premature similar post, which I'll delete and just post here instead.

Airless Moon Has Ionosphere
Post by Lloyd » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:52 pm
* It's considered quite strange that the Moon could have an ionosphere, when it has almost no air. See http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/14nov_lunarionosphere/.
* But, if the Moon's surface is charged, I guess positive, then the dust particles on the surface would repel each other and a little solar wind, also positive, could probably easily shoot some of them into lunar orbit, thus producing one ionosphere.
* One Thunderbolter suggests the Moon's ionosphere may be the remnant of a former dusty ring, I assume similar to Saturn's rings and others. Such rings were possibly produced from proto-Saturn flares, over 10,000 years ago.

* Oops! It also once had a magnetic field. See http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/science/recipe-for-the-moons-long-ago-magnetic-field-spin-and-stir.html.
* The Moon's former magnetic field likely existed during the Saturn Age, when it was very possibly a moon of Saturn.
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Re: Electric Moon

Unread postby seasmith » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:03 am

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Solar Storms Could 'Sandblast' the Moon

"We found that when this massive cloud of plasma strikes the moon, it acts like a sandblaster and easily removes volatile material from the surface," said William Farrell, DREAM team lead at NASA Goddard. "The model predicts 100 to 200 tons of lunar material – the equivalent of 10 dump truck loads – could be stripped off the lunar surface during the typical 2-day passage of a CME."


The team used data from satellite observations that revealed this enrichment as input to their model. For example, helium ions comprise about four percent of the normal solar wind, but observations reveal that during a CME, they can increase to over 20 percent. When this enrichment is combined with the increased density and velocity of a CME, the highly charged, heavy ions in CMEs can sputter 50 times more material than protons in the normal solar wind.


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http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/ ... m-cme.html
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Re: Electric Moon

Unread postby flyingcloud » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:40 pm

I think that's admitting EDM.
Sputtering that is...

The moon has just the barest wisp of an atmosphere, technically called an exosphere because it is so tenuous, which leaves it vulnerable to CME effects. The plasma from CMEs impacts the lunar surface, and atoms from the surface are ejected in a process called "sputtering."
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Re: Electric Moon

Unread postby moses » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:51 pm

* Oops! It also once had a magnetic field. See http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/scien ... -stir.html.
* The Moon's former magnetic field likely existed during the Saturn Age, when it was very possibly a moon of Saturn.Lloyd

How can go by what those idiots come up with. They would not have the faintest idea about whether the Moon had a magnetic field or not.
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ROLLING BOULDER ON MOON

Unread postby bdw000 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:32 pm

I post a link to this pic of a boulder rolling on the moon just for fun: perhaps there is some EU relevance here.

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index.php?/archives/517-A-Recent-Journey.html

To the far right of the boulder is a much smaller one with a similar trail behind it (which can only be seen if you click on the pic for a higher resolution pic). It sits among "grooves" that EU proponents would say were caused by electric discharges.
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Re: ROLLING BOULDER ON MOON

Unread postby GaryN » Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:47 pm

That boulder must be hopping along, there are places where the ground has untouched segments.
Or maybe it bounced along and came to a dead stop? Parts of the trail also have 'craters'
newer than the trail, so maybe it happened a long time ago? Interesting image!
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Re: ROLLING BOULDER ON MOON

Unread postby mharratsc » Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:07 am

If this boulder "rolled" then it must be oblate and someone must've been pushing it for quite a ways... and I don't see any footprints. :P

I don't think the full physics of what occurred in this image has been explored yet. o.O
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Re: ROLLING BOULDER ON MOON

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:26 pm

* They say it's on a slope, and, since you can see the boulder at the end of the track, I think it very likely is the track of a boulder. It looks very similar to crater chains, but there are differences, I believe, and crater chains are probably much more common than such tracks.
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/M109502471L_thumb.serendipityThumb.png
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Re: ROLLING BOULDER ON MOON

Unread postby GaryN » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:20 am

Here's an oldie showing a boulder on what looks like a pretty good slope. Perhaps the low gravity
means that a little momentum and it would start bouncing, and leaving the un-depressed segments?
Seems to make sense.
http://thomasbrown.org/Lunar/rollbol2.gif
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NASA surprised by Moon Grabens (stretching)

Unread postby MattEU » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:40 am

New images from NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) spacecraft show the moon's crust is being stretched, forming minute valleys in a few small areas on the lunar surface. Scientists propose this geologic activity occurred less than 50 million years ago, which is considered recent compared to the moon's age of more than 4.5 billion years.

A team of researchers analyzing high-resolution images obtained by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC) show small, narrow trenches typically much longer than they are wide. This indicates the lunar crust is being pulled apart at these locations. These linear valleys, known as graben, form when the moon's crust stretches, breaks and drops down along two bounding faults. A handful of these graben systems have been found across the lunar surface.

It was a big surprise when I spotted graben in the far side highlands," said co-author Mark Robinson of the School of Earth and Space Exploration at Arizona State University, principal investigator of LROC. "I immediately targeted the area for high-resolution stereo images so we could create a three-dimensional view of the graben. It's exciting when you discover something totally unexpected and only about half the lunar surface has been imaged in high resolution. There is much more of the moon to be explored."

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/n ... raben.html


Moon stretching? Moon growing or shrinking? EDM or something similar?
DippyHippy post (bautforum): I also think a fair portion of those who advocate these ideas are conspiracy theorists. It's just the way the theories are presented... like they're accusing the scientists of being incompetent, stuck in their ways, lying or just plain blind to the apparently obvious
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Re: NASA surprised by Moon Grabens (stretching)

Unread postby Sparky » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:51 am

Image
This is the only image that was small enough to post here.

Larger image.
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Re: ROLLING BOULDER ON MOON

Unread postby Lloyd » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:57 am

Lunar Schiller crater
Associates mentioned that the above image comes from this film strip: http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse/view/M109502471L.
You can see several boulder trails. On the most zoomed out smallest image of the strip, look for the large crater about 1/3rd of the way down. Zoom in on the right side of the strip just above the bright bottom portion of the crater. Then pan up from that area to find several boulder trails. Some larger boulders appear to have broken up after coming to rest. It also looks like some of the trails were made before some of the craters formed.
Mars
They also mentioned that there are some boulder trails on Mars too, like these at Cerberus Fossae near Elysium Mons.
http://images.spaceref.com/news/2012/oopr_2012-09-hi-res.jpg
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* The dislodged boulders are considered to be evidence of marsquakes.
The existence of marsquakes could be significant in the ongoing search for life on Mars, the researchers stated. If the faults along the Cerberus Fossae region are active, and the quakes are driven by movements of magma related to the nearby volcano, Elysium Mons, the energy provided in the form of heat from the volcanic activity under the surface of Mars could be able to melt ice. The resulting liquid water, they noted, could provide habitats friendly to life.

* EU theory suggests that volcanism on Mars is unlikely.
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Re: ROLLING BOULDER ON MOON

Unread postby Sparky » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:09 pm

These are meteors that had small speed difference to the moon and came to a soft, rolling impact.... :D
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Re: ROLLING BOULDER ON MOON

Unread postby Lloyd » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:34 pm

* Here's an interesting one. It looks like the rock slid and then parallel lines of sand covered the trail intermittently.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HzoOkFtxdVo/Tvof-_RsJ-I/AAAAAAAAOyE/MGybUqnlQ2U/s1600/M168808506R-boulder-trail-frz-X-580x800.png
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Re: ROLLING BOULDER ON MOON

Unread postby Julian Braggins » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:56 pm

If we could solve the " Death Valley moving boulders" (search) maybe it would help with the ones on the Moon!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rocks.html
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