'Impossible' Stars Found in Super-Close Orbital Dances

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'Impossible' Stars Found in Super-Close Orbital Dances

Post by PersianPaladin » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:30 pm

Four pairs of what astronomers are calling "impossible stars" — stellar twins in orbits so close they defy explanation — have been found in our Milky Way galaxy, scientists say.

Astronomers using the United Kingdom Infrared Telescope (UKIRT) in Hawaii discovered the four star pairs, each of which is a binary system in which two stars circle each other in less than four hours. Until now, scientists thought that such twin-star setups couldn't exist.

Our sun does not orbit another star, but roughly half of the stars in our Milky Way galaxy do, as part of a binary system. These binary stars likely formed close together, and have been orbiting one another since their birth, the researchers said.
Seems they can't explain it...so as if by magic, they blame strange magnetism:-

But, how the orbits of stars in these binaries shrunk by so much remains a mystery. According to the new study, one possible explanation is that cool stars in binary systems are much more active and violent than was previously thought.

As the cool stellar companions spiral in toward each other, their magnetic field lines may become twisted and deformed. This powerful magnetic activity may help slow down the spinning stars, allowing them to move closer together, the researchers explained.
http://www.space.com/16739-impossible-s ... rbits.html


Hmm....I think somebody better call in an electrical engineer. These physicists seem to have ruptured cables :P

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Re: 'Impossible' Stars Found in Super-Close Orbital Dances

Post by Dotini » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:22 pm

PersianPaladin wrote:strange magnetism
...is maybe more important than gravity in star formation?

I find this article linked to yours:
http://www.space.com/13649-galaxy-magne ... birth.html
"Some models of giant molecular cloud formation suggest that galactic magnetic fields could be strong enough to impose on clouds, influencing how the cloud accumulate and fragment and thus how quickly and efficiently stars form. Other models, however, suggest galactic magnetic fields are irrelevant to cloud formation, since movements within the clouds might randomize the orientations of their magnetic fields.

"Trying to study the Milky Way to analyze whether galactic magnetic fields affect giant molecular clouds is challenging: Any effects that galactic magnetic fields may or may not have on clouds within our galaxy would best be seen from above the Milky Way instead of from our place within it.

"The simple question of whether magnetic fields play an important role in star formation has been debated for decades, owing much to the difficulties on observations," study lead author Hua-bai Li, an astrophysicist at the Max Planck Institute for Astronomy in Heidelberg, Germany, told SPACE.com.

So researchers investigated M33, which is about 2.9 million light-years away and has spiral arms similar to those of our own galaxy."


Using the Submillimeter Array of radio telescopes in Hawaii, the researchers observed giant molecular clouds in M33's spiral arms. By analyzing how the light from these clouds was polarized, they detected how the clouds' magnetic fields were oriented, and discovered that the fields were aligned with the spiral arms. This suggested that they are being influenced by the galaxy's magnetic field."

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Re: 'Impossible' Stars Found in Super-Close Orbital Dances

Post by PersianPaladin » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:26 pm

I do wish they would stop butchering the laws of electromagnetism with their "deformed" and "twisted" and "frozen-in" and "re-connecting" rhetoric.

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Post by sjw40364 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:57 pm

PersianPaladin wrote:I do wish they would stop butchering the laws of electromagnetism with their "deformed" and "twisted" and "frozen-in" and "re-connecting" rhetoric.
Welcome to the new cosmology of Magnetic Reconnection. As I said in another post it is only a matter of time before they apply magnetism to the cause of the Big Bang. Already it has gone from stars to galaxies. The standard forums only parrot what they are taught by the online PR people. In all such forums electricity is not the cause of magnetic fields, magnetic fields are the cause of electricity. It is nothing more than an attempt to regulate the EU/Plasma theories to mere effects of their new cosmology. If they can't beat us or avoid us, which they know they can't due to the constant discoveries, they will regulate us to the background, as merely the effect of their important discovery and new cosmology. All hail magnetic reconnection, the new relativity.

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Re: 'Impossible' Stars Found in Super-Close Orbital Dances

Post by sjw40364 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:17 pm

http://hozturner.blogspot.co.uk/

Good article btw for June 10

As for what keeps the planets in orbit is simple:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/3 ... ode73.html

The Earth is a charged particle in the magnetic field of the Sun. It is also connected to the Sun by Birkeland Currents, which due to increase or decrease of current, causes elliptical orbits instead of perfectly circular ones because the charge is not constant. See video visualization. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/rbsp/ ... phere.html

The math is just too simple for standard theorists who require complicated formulas to cram in DM, DE, BH. It's exciting.

I actually had someone tell me that "And if the EU theory explains everything without the need for fudge factors like DM and DE…..how boring is that!!!!! Dark Matter and DE show that 95% of the Universe elludes our understanding and explanation. It’s there and we have not the slightest as to why. That is a far more exciting proposition, aside from the being the correct one, than unified theory of EU where, apparently, it’s all sorted.. So, what is the attraction for the EU proponents??? The SM and QM + Graivity is great (as long as those bastard strings aren’t true!). —- IMHO I love a mystery and they don’t came any bigger than DE"

That about sums it up.

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Post by viscount aero » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:07 pm

PersianPaladin wrote:I do wish they would stop butchering the laws of electromagnetism with their "deformed" and "twisted" and "frozen-in" and "re-connecting" rhetoric.
Yes it is all non-scientific tripe to deflect, obscure, and veil the truth from the general population.

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Post by Michael Mozina » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:19 am

PersianPaladin wrote:I do wish they would stop butchering the laws of electromagnetism with their "deformed" and "twisted" and "frozen-in" and "re-connecting" rhetoric.
If it weren't so downright dishonest, and therefore annoying, it's almost comical watching the lengths that the mainstream goes to in an effort to *not* mention currents in space and charge separation as an "energy source'. Whatever did it, charge separation and electrical discharges cannot possibly be the "causes" of any event in space in the haters view of the universe. It's an electrophobia cult that is horrifically afraid of electricity in space.

http://www.fearofstuff.com/nature/fear-of-electricity/

:lol:

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Re: 'Impossible' Stars Found in Super-Close Orbital Dances

Post by Solar » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:22 pm

Michael Mozina wrote:
PersianPaladin wrote:I do wish they would stop butchering the laws of electromagnetism with their "deformed" and "twisted" and "frozen-in" and "re-connecting" rhetoric.
If it weren't so downright dishonest, and therefore annoying, it's almost comical watching the lengths that the mainstream goes to in an effort to *not* mention currents in space and charge separation as an "energy source'. Whatever did it, charge separation and electrical discharges cannot possibly be the "causes" of any event in space in the haters view of the universe. It's an electrophobia cult that is horrifically afraid of electricity in space.

http://www.fearofstuff.com/nature/fear-of-electricity/

:lol:
Hilarious.

"Electrophobia" :D
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