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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby kiwi » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:43 pm

jone dae wrote:@kiwi,
Your post was in my inbox , but is it a reply to me, another, or the topic generally? Regarding that "interplay", only electricity causes magnetic fields, so, we're already "there" with that. That is, wherever there are magnetic fields, there are also electrical fields (or were, in the case of remanent magnetism, etc.); we - all people - have to start with that. Can you tell me more about what subject area is not developed in this sort-of "micro-to-macro" forum?


Hi Joan :) ------Your post was in my inbox----- really? .. must be your "settings" for this thread? .. I didnt send any message nor post to you as an individual account holder here, maybe an admin can explain whats happened there.

The Post wasnt directed at anyone in particular, just a general "tack-it-up"

Too your question about area's perhaps as yet untouched by the members/researchers featured etc on this thread(?) or in general over this entire stie and the hundreds of outsourced links provided, .. I personally think "no.. I would very much doubt it" 8-)
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby nick c » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:13 pm

hi kiwi,
Just for information purposes, Jone Dae probably has her forum settings such that she gets an email notification when there is a reply to a thread where she has a post. So you made a post on the thread and Jone Dae received an email notification of that posting. It's a setting in the User Control Panel.
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby kiwi » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:32 pm

Thanks Nick for clarifying that :)
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby RR34 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:17 am

Plasma questions-
Is plasma particle size limited to full sized atoms or is plasma scalable to smaller particles?
If dark matter had a charge couldn't it be plasma?

Electric Sky questions-
Dr. Scott descrides a lightning stroke to earth completing the path. (pg 135 paragraph 3)

Where are the electrons going after the lightning strike?
How is the circuit completed from the earth's surface back to the electric sky?
Coiuld he mean, the path as far as is known?
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby roughone » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:10 pm

I don't think dark matter has a charge since it does not reflect light, if it exists it must be neutron like in this regard.
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby nick c » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:52 pm

hi roughone,
Welcome to the forum.
I don't think dark matter has a charge since it does not reflect light, if it exists it must be neutron like in this regard.
Why would charge or absence thereof affect the ability to reflect light?
If DM does not have charge what is it composed of?
It cannot be neutrons because they cannot stand alone, outside of the nucleus they decay into a proton and a electron in under 15 minutes so then you would be left with ordinary baryonic matter.
There is a simpler explanation. The form and rotations of galaxies does not conform to what is expected by the mathematician's calculations, who are working under the assumption that galactic morphology and rotation is determined only by gravity. So in order to salvage the gravity only assumption, it becomes necessary to invent some exotic type of matter which cannot be observed and put in the places necessary and in the appropriate quantities to make the equations work.
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby roughone » Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:30 pm

Neutrons are not capable of reactions based upon the principle of quantum chromodynamics now are they? They have a neutral charge in themselves, and have no capability of having an orbiting electron as a proton does when it forms simple hydrogen. Think it out!
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby roughone » Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:35 pm

It is accepted that the neutron decomposes within 14.5 minutes of becoming in dependant from a nuclear association with a proton. All I am saying is that if dark matter exists, and I think it is a pure fiction myself, then It would have to have no chromo dynamic properties, not unlike the short lived independent neutron.
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby roughone » Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:46 pm

I think it very Interesting that even in an anti matter universe that all matter would emit the same light as the matter universe does. The photon itself is its own anti particle.

But dark matter is way too funky for this monkey! The theory invents fictions to account for realities entirely. It is a joke as far as I am concerned, as with 10 or 11 dimensional space, and time as a dimension.

The only question I am intrigued by is how the EU will account for this stuff, and I am waiting for enlightenment because the further standard cosmology goes the dumber it seems to get!

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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby Sparky » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:47 pm

seasmith wrote:"
By definition, there can be no electricity/magnetism at the subatomic level, unless there are charged particles, and those need to be explained,...


Sparky,
Those definitions may need be broadened


woops, lost this thread....quite right! I have begun calling electric current, electric energy.

What comes first, the magnetic field or the electric energy?

To me, it is all part of the cascade that leads to a magnetic field an E field, and what we call current. Moving charged particles seem to drag electric energy up from whatever, and guide it along a conductive medium. With enough pressure, that electric energy can overcome nonconductors and reside within them or burst through them.. Where ever it comes from, electric energy demands respect and awe.
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby roughone » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:31 pm

Nick,

As a long shot possibility, perhaps dark matter is composed of neutrons which are incapable of visual detection. The neutron is stable in a close association with a proton, but once outside this it decays in a progressive way where even its duration until decomposition seems very precise.

Perhaps a field of positive charge scaler waves could stabilize the neutron in the absence of a proton and inhibit breakdown? Is there any evidence of large fields of scaler waves in galaxies?

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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby nick c » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:56 pm

roughone wrote:perhaps dark matter is composed of neutrons which are incapable of visual detection. The neutron is stable in a close association with a proton, but once outside this it decays in a progressive way where even its duration until decomposition seems very precise.
You have given the answer (in the highlighted area of your quote) to the speculation in the unhighlighted area. Otherwise, a demonstration of a situation where a neutron could remain stable outside of a nucleus would be a big help. Has there ever been such a demonstration/observation?
Also, I still don't understand why matter composed solely of neutrons (if that could be stable) would be invisible. Does mainstream postulate that neutron stars are invisible? Invisible means more than the narrow range of the EM spectrum available to the human eye, it means the range of all of our instrumentation.
I think we can still have a nice universe without DM, we just have to further our understanding of the role of gravity in the Dark Matterless Universe.
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby roughone » Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:07 pm

Nick,

Apparently there is a connection and they are calling it Scaler Field Dark Matter! Go figure!

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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby jone dae » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:14 pm

A reply for JJohnson,
I think I understand the points that you were making. Re/ looking at my wordpress site, you will want to know that I am blogging on a variety of subjects there, and that I don't have as narrow a focus as I do here. On this site, this forum, I want to make others aware of papers, links, or media that I've seen that they have missed, and I want to learn from those who are more expert in their given areas. As a polymath, I'm necessarily somewhat of a generalist, and so, not as expert as the specialist scientists are in their areas. And this is the type of comment I make as well, that is, trying to help others to see both the overview better, and the interconnections between the areas better. This allows them to have a more accurate and complete view of things. And this is the work that Jae Kamel and I have done in those Lists, in the JKU, that you will see posted when you visit the wordpress site. BTW feel free to comment there; we're just as interested in criticisms as in anything else. If you're to believe the feedback, then you believe that no one has found any of our links, any of the websites linked to, wrong, objectionable, inappropriate, incorrect, irrelevant, or mistaken in any way! And we know that that can't be true, since we object to some of the sites ourselves! And we know that some of the sites are just foolishness; that's what you get when you do a balanced overview of a given subject or topic, as we have done there. So... it seems that some are reluctant to comment. The site keeps statistics, and we can view by the day or month how many visitors we've had there. Therefore, as you have replied here, Mr. Johnson, please do feel free to post a comment there.
Re/ the religious angle, so to speak, I do try to keep that out of this forum, and restrict myself to Wordpress and other forums I write in. However, some of the material written by G. I. Gurdjieff that I've been posting, or discussions of that material, are (a) not primarily spiritual or religions, (b) are scientific, about principally cosmogony, cosmology, geology, and astrophysics, (c) anticipate Velikovsky before his first publication by about 20 years, and (d) substantially agree with Velikovsky's findings. Furthermore, G.'s writings sometimes present, through a fictionalized account, observations about the behaviour or electricity, magnetism, and plasma and plasma effects, during various experiments. Some of those bear on the basic questions of electromagnetism, such as (a) are light, electricity, and magnetism directly related to each other, and if so, how? and (b) is gravity directly related to light, electricity, or magnetism, and if so, how? So, I am therefore suggesting that, readers not immediately think that they are looking at spiritual or religious material, when they see the name G.I. Gurdjieff. I think, too, that there is a way for any scientist to connect her or his understanding, to the apparent spirituality or religion that Gurdjieff seemed to be presenting, by realizing that he, Gurdjieff, considered existence or the Universe to be continuous, as a result of which, "all is material", that is, what we divide into "material" and "spiritual", is itself all the same, that is, those categories we make, describe events, energies, or "objects", that differ only in appearance, but not in kind. Yes, that does go against the basic divisiveness of the western scientific view; but just like the EU view, being the more correct view of Life and the Universe, permits a better understanding of it, and allows a saner understanding of it, and creates more sanity in the mind of the person, scientist or not, as compared to the standard model, which involves so much believing in fantasies (wasn't there a black hole in Fantasia?), so also, when a person's mind can grasp the changes implied in G's view of it, of Life and the Universe, it also allows her to have a saner and more complete view of things, as compared to the standard model(s). So, it is in a way, for the interest of Science that I include those materials here, in some of the other discussions, and on the Wordpress site as well.
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond..

Unread postby kiwi » Wed May 29, 2013 6:29 pm

Happy Birthday Hannes Alfven :D

--Hannes Olof Gösta Alfvén (Swedish: [alˈveːn]; 30 May 1908 – 2 April 1995)--

---May 30, 2008 TPOD
Hannes Alfvén: the Maverick Plasma Astrophysicist

---In 1937 Alfvén suggested that interstellar galactic space was permeated by ions (a plasma) and could also carry electric and magnetic fields. By 1942, Alfvén had devised a theory regarding the origin of the Solar System from a cloud of ionized gas, and he noted "electromagnetic forces have been more important than mechanical forces".---

Shine on you sane Diamond :idea:
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