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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby MGmirkin » Thu May 29, 2008 2:22 pm

Faderbaby wrote:Let me provide that. I would consider (conspiracy theories aside) The British Ministry of Defence a good source and the document is written under both a Secret and Top Secret clearance. Here's the link to these original documents, much of which I've read (and summarized in my blog and plasma page). This came about from a FOIA request and made a small splash in the mainstream media:

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/Freed ... ummary.htm

Thanks for considering it~! The thing to read is the Executive Summary. I can point you to where any actual conclusions of interest reside in this 400 page document.

Cheers mate,
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Yeah, after I posted here, I posted over on the Planetary science section, see link in my prior post. I poked around a little, and found the TinWiki page, which led to both the original docs and a BBC news article. So, I've listed those over there. Will be interested to hear more about it thereabouts and see how things shape up. :)

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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby webolife » Thu May 29, 2008 2:48 pm

WOW, Michael... you have successfully reinvented the whole forum! I hope.
By reorganizing in this way, a person might actually be able to find the relevant posts on an EU/Plasma question!!
I sure hope so, because this forum for me is like a tapestry viewed from the back, loose threads dangling everywhere.
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby MGmirkin » Thu May 29, 2008 3:01 pm

webolife wrote:WOW, Michael... you have successfully reinvented the whole forum! I hope.
By reorganizing in this way, a person might actually be able to find the relevant posts on an EU/Plasma question!!
I sure hope so, because this forum for me is like a tapestry viewed from the back, loose threads dangling everywhere.


Phew, for a second I thought you were going to say I'd successfully reinvented the wheel and did a bunch of unnecessary work... Glad my efforts aren't completely in vain. I've seen the need for this kind of a centralized and sensibly organized / sub-divided list for some time. Just hadn't had a chance to compile it previously...

And, yes, I'd tried to take the pile of loose thread and maybe weave something a bit more interesting / pretty out of it. Still need to finish it up...

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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby rduke » Sat May 31, 2008 12:10 pm

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Fantastic thread...

Michael... When you have the flow... ride it!
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby MGmirkin » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:41 am

rduke wrote: :geek:

Fantastic thread...

Michael... When you have the flow... ride it!


Yup, been working on it most of the day, trying to get the "Macroscopic Domain" section up. I think I've managed to track down most of my old links from "Thunderbolts Forum 1.0" regarding sprites, etc. And a few new ones for good measure. Those sections were a bit hard to organize due to the spotty or overlapping coverage on various sites. I've left a couple headers without links as there weren't any sites that seemed to deal exclusively with the specific topic (though other articles from the "multiple processes" section may have dealt with them in passing).

Anyway, only a little left to do on that section. The majority of the other sections are already up and running at this point (aside from one or two niggling tertiary issues).

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P.S. Love the Paul Atreides pic:

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Somehow seems appropriate given the prescience of the thread (my opinion; granted I'm probably biased on the topic, since I wrote the thread).
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby shrunkensimon » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:31 am

MGmirkin, i posted this as a seperate thread in the Planetary Science section already, but you mite want to add it to your collection of links in regards to Earthquakes being electrical in nature/precursors in Ionosphere;

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=714

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7435324.stm (5/6/2008)
Nasa scientists have said they could be on the verge of a breakthrough in their efforts to forecast earthquakes

Feel free to delete this post once you've seen it :)
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby MGmirkin » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:02 am

shrunkensimon wrote:MGmirkin, i posted this as a seperate thread in the Planetary Science section already, but you mite want to add it to your collection of links in regards to Earthquakes being electrical in nature/precursors in Ionosphere;

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... ?f=4&t=714

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7435324.stm (5/6/2008)
Nasa scientists have said they could be on the verge of a breakthrough in their efforts to forecast earthquakes

Feel free to delete this post once you've seen it :)


No need to delete it. Thanks for the heads up!

(Plan for quake 'warning system'; Digg it if you love it!)
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Plan_f ... ing_system

My note thereabouts:

I wrote:Snap! That's awesome...

"Nasa scientists have said they could be on the verge of a breakthrough in their efforts to forecast earthquakes.

Researchers say they have found a close link between electrical disturbances on the edge of our atmosphere and impending quakes on the ground below.

Just such a signal was spotted in the days leading up to the recent devastating event in China."

Reminds me of a series of articles I read once upon a time:

(Earth: A Self-repairing Capacitor)
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040927eart ...

(Seeing Circuits [1])
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050112se ...

(Sunspots and Earthquakes)
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/051221ea ...

Very interesting!


Forgot to note this possibly related bit before the time to edit my comment was over:

(Electric Space Weather Baffles Scientists)
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch ... eather.htm

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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby MGmirkin » Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:42 pm

Oops, almost forgot to add the stuff to the Macroscopic Domain section. Almost...

It's now been added.

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Re: Section 1: The Microscopic Domain.

Unread postby Klar DC » Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:31 pm

MGmirkin wrote:This section will deal with things from the subatomic level to the beginning of the macroscopic world (physical objects we can interact with in day-to-day life).


Subatomic Particles

(Are Neutrons Simply Electrically-Compressed Hydrogen Atoms?)
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Are_Ne ... ogen_Atoms
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/are-n ... ogen-atoms

(Protons partner with neutrons more often than with protons)
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Proton ... th_protons



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Hi Michael,
Taking advantage of this thread, I'd like to keep on adding stuff into the discussion on the relations between neutrons and protons. Let me drop in on Thunderforum again and post here these links I tried to post on Digg some minutes ago unsuccessfully: :geek:

Confirming a decades-old prediction, the physicists with the CLEO collaboration say they observed a rare and extremely short-lived subatomic particle with the unusual name of “charmed-strange meson” decay into a proton and anti-neutron. http://news.ufl.edu/2008/03/10/particle-2/

Physicists at UC Riverside have created molecular positronium, an entirely new object in the laboratory. Briefly stable, each molecule is made up of a pair of electrons and a pair of their antiparticles, called positrons.
http://www.newsroom.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/display.cgi?id=1662

Nuclear physicists have been presented with an intriguing new type of nuclear structure to study. The structure appears in some unstable atomic nuclei which have more than their usual number of neutrons or protons. Instead of containing the normal tight 'core' of neutrons and protons, these nuclei sport a core plus an extensive 'halo' surrounding the core containing one or two of the excess neutrons.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1 ... halo-.html

Tiny particles called quarks and gluons are the building blocks for larger particles such as protons and neutrons, which in turn form atoms. However, quarks and gluons behave very differently than those larger particles, making them more difficult to study.
http://www.physorg.com/news122477782.html

The nucleus of the isotope 11Li exhibits a halo structure−a diluted two-neutron component surrounding a 9Li-like core [1]. An important question that has not been firmly established up to now is whether the 9Li core is decoupled from the halo in the sense that is notmodifi ed from the free 9Li.
http://www.gsi.de/informationen/wti/lib ... OPY-03.pdf

EXOTIC NUCLEI (EXON2004)
Proceedings of the International Symposium:
http://eproceedings.worldscinet.com/978 ... /toc.shtml

Quantum chromodynamics (QCD), the theory of the strong force, is a marvellous example of how the physical laws that describe a large variety of complex phenomena can be condensed into a very simple and elegant mathematical structure, known as non-abelian gauge theory. The fundamental equations can be written down in a single line, yet they describe how the nucleons acquire their masses from "nothing", or how two nucleons smashed together at high energies disintegrate into dozens of new particles bundled into "jets" - the visible manifestations of the quarks and gluons.
http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern ... 7AF5E68F79

If it were to remain stationary, free from any electric or magnetic force and at zero degrees Absolute (-273º Celsius), the proton, one of the particles of the atomic nucleus, would remain stable. And so it could remain forever, according to the current theoretical models. The scenario is more exciting awhen the proton is submitted, for example, to an electric field: it begins to accelerate and can self-destruct.
http://www.revistapesquisa.fapesp.br/?a ... pg=1&lg=en

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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby Klar DC » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:37 am

Giday all,

This discussion on neutron charges has its value: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/09/19/science-neutron-neutral.html
Illustrative pic here: http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/neutrons.htm

Cheers.


Neutrons not so neutral after all, study says

Last Updated: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 | 4:30 PM ET
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Among atomic particles, the neutron seems the most aptly named: Unlike the positively charged proton or the negatively charged electron, neutrons have a charge of zero.
But new experiments conducted in three particle accelerators suggest the neutron is more like an onion when it comes to electromagnetism: with a negatively charged exterior and interior and a positively charged middle sandwiched between them.

While the sum of these charges cancel each other out to produce a net charge of zero, the findings change our understanding of how neutrons interact with the other particles in the atom, said University of Washington physics professor Gerald Miller, writing last week in the online edition of the scientific journal Physical Review Letters.

"When a particle like an electron interacts with a neutron, where it hits will affect how it behaves and where it goes," Miller told CBC News. "These results change what we know of how neutrons interact electrically with anything."

Enrico Fermi had previously suggested neutrons might have a negative exterior and a positive interior, Miller said. But this is the first experimental evidence to suggest the extra layer of complexity.

The findings, obtained from colliding electrons with neutrons and then measuring the angles of outgoing electrons, could help scientists better understand how electromagnetism interacts with the strong nuclear force that keeps protons and neutrons bound together in the nucleus of an atom.

It could also have a profound change on our understanding of neutron stars, the super-dense pulsating stellar objects made up mostly of neutrons that form in the tail end of a star's evolution, Miller said.

If the idea of a neutron having three differently-charged parts seems familiar, it may be because in quantum physics, neutrons are said to be made of three smaller particles called quarks: one "up" quark with a charge of +2/3, and two "down" quarks with a charge of -1/3. When joined together, the three quarks have a charge of zero.

Miller's findings would seem to suggest an actual physical location for these quarks within a neutron, but the truth, he said, is much more complicated.

"We're not talking about location as much as we are talking about density," he said. "What we are saying is the probability of finding a particular charge density is a function of distance. Quarks are constantly moving within a neutron, so this tells us the odds of finding more of them in one area over another."

The connection between quarks and charge location also breaks down when examining the proton, said Miller.

While a proton is made up of one down quark and two up quarks, the same accelerator tests found the proton was positively charged throughout, with the iddle region possessing a stronger charge than the interior and exterior.
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby junglelord » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:42 pm

I just posted about the triplet structure of neutrons and doublets of neutrinos.

junglelord wrote:The vast majority of physicists shamelessly gloss over the fact the neutral particles like neutrons and neutrinos have magnetic dipoles. They attribute the magnetic dipole on a neutral particle to just more strange magic of a non-causal quantum world. It is an affront to science that so many physicists think that cause and effect does not apply in the quantum world. Instead of realizing that their explanations are what are lacking, they toss away the bedrock of science, cause and effect, and regulate to God the responsibility of guiding the quantum world, much as humanity once did for the motion of the stars and planets.

Magnetic dipoles on neutral particles is a glaring signal that there must be a deeper structure involved in the neutral particle which accounts for the neutral particle having the magnetic field. Simple cause and effect must apply. A doublet substructure of two unit particles of matter, each having an inherent magnetic dipole due to its electrical charge, accounts for a magnetic dipole on a neutral neutrino.

The fact alone that a doublet substructure explains how a neutral particle could have a magnetic dipole is cause to pursue the investigation of the neutrino doublet substructure further.




TRIPLET UNIT MATTER SUBSTRUCTURES
Question: If triplet substructures and singlet substructures exist, what about doublets?
Answer: There is evidence that neutrinos have a doublet unit particle substructure.
Evidence Of The Doublet Unit Charge Substructure

If a triplet substructure of quarks can explain quark fractional charge mathematics, and if a singlet unit particle substructure can be proposed for the substructure of an electron, could the other first family member of the standard model, the neutrino, be explained with a doublet substructure?

The answer to that question is elucidated in the affirmative in the following sections.

COULD NEUTRINOS BE DOUBLET COMPOUNDS?

The supposition then is that both quarks and anti-quarks, and electrons and positrons, are as particle types, constructed of unit particles of matter combined with quantum allotments of mass-energy. With quarks and electrons conjectured to have a unit particle substructure, only neutrinos are left as particles in the Standard Model that are not theorized to have a substructure composed of unit charge unit particles of matter.

Could neutrinos have a deeper more fundamental unit charge particle substructure also? A doublet substructure would be neutral as are neutrinos. What other properties of neutrinos might a doublet substructure explain?

If the neutrino were also composed of unit charge unit particles of matter, then all of the particles in the Standard Model, except for the moment photons, would have as their internal substructure more fundamental unit charge, unit particles of matter.

There are only two possible configurations where the magnetic dipoles of the composing unit particles of matter forming the doublet are aligned north to south. The neutral doublet could form with either the positive unit particle at the northern most position on a common magnetic dipole, or with the negative unit particle at the northern most position on a common magnetic dipole.

Let us not worry yet about the neutrino being a doublet and having a quantum angular momentum of 1/2, because we are using the electron-positron annihilation as a guide, and we know that after the annihilation all of the mass-energy of the electron and of the positron has been carried away in the resultant photons. Therefore, any remaining unit particles of matter in a resultant doublet would have zero mass-energy with which to exhibit angular momentum. A neutrino doublet substructure need not be supposed to have mass-energy on either of the composing unit particles of matter forming the substructure.

The reason physicists do not think a neutrino could be composed of a two particle substructure is because they assume that both particle components must have quantum angular momentum. However, the triplet substructure of quarks explaining quark math allows for a clear distinction to be made between energy and matter as components of particles. The distinction between energy and matter as components of particles allows us to postulate that the unit particles of matter from the substructures of the annihilating electron and positron particles may still exist after the annihilation, only with all of the energy squeezed from the electron and positron.

The supernova 1987A proved neutrinos have zero rest mass as the neutrinos arrived at the same time as the photons. A rest mass of zero for neutrinos means there is no energy involved in the structure of the particle, and that 100% of the mass-energy of the neutrino is momentum energy.

Momentum energy applies to the particle as a whole, rather than at the level of the unit particles of matter composing the particle structure.

Using the positron-electron annihilation has a guide, in which all of the mass-energy of the annihilating lepton pair is converted to the two resulting photons, we might speculate that after the annihilation the two unit particles of matter which formed the structure of the two leptons may be bound together and still in existence, but with all of the energy squeezed from the lepton pair. Quantum angular momentum requires mass-energy, and since we may suppose that after the annihilation the doublet substructure has no mass bound to it, we can expect that the resultant doublet particle of matter will have no quantum angular momentum.

Once one has posited the quark substructure and investigated electron substructure, one becomes aware of the difference between matter and mass-energy as components of particles, which then allows for a deeper understanding of what rest mass is. Rest mass is the mass-energy bound in the particle structure.



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Re: Section 1: The Microscopic Domain.

Unread postby Klar DC » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:09 pm

Klar DC wrote:
The nucleus of the isotope 11Li exhibits a halo structure−a diluted two-neutron component surrounding a 9Li-like core [1]. An important question that has not been firmly established up to now is whether the 9Li core is decoupled from the halo in the sense that is notmodifi ed from the free 9Li.
http://www.gsi.de/informationen/wti/lib ... OPY-03.pdf



Yet weird neutronic haloes around nuclei:

Unlike stable helium, which usually has two and occasionally one neutron that pack closely and symmetrically with two protons, the element's unstable isotopes—helium-6 and helium-8—have additional neutrons that form "halos" around the compact central core. In 2004, the Argonne team had determined that the two extra neutrons in helium-6 arrange themselves asymmetrically on one side of the nucleus, a few trillionths of a millimeter away from the core. In their recent study, however, the researchers discovered that helium-8's four extra neutrons group themselves differently from helium-6's. The four helium-8 neutrons in the halo arrange themselves in a less lopsided way around the core, altering the dynamics of the nucleus.
http://www.physorg.com/news120751286.html
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby substance » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:24 am

Damn, Michael :shock: That`s a pretty nice summary! It would be nice if we could create some sort of website where all this information is described in detail with text, graphics and so on. It would take thousands of pages to describe all this in a book. Hell, it`ll occupy my free time for the next couple of months probably. :D
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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby MGmirkin » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:45 am

substance wrote:Damn, Michael :shock: That`s a pretty nice summary! It would be nice if we could create some sort of website where all this information is described in detail with text, graphics and so on. It would take thousands of pages to describe all this in a book. Hell, it`ll occupy my free time for the next couple of months probably. :D


I hear that! & thanks!

Took me quite a while to amass all the various links and resources... But, it needed to be done. I can certainly imagine that putting it all into a presentable web format (or book format, if you're planning such a thing) would definitely take some time! But a worthwhile endeavor. A wiki-style approach might be a good way to go about it, as it could be inter-linked conceptually. Of course there could also be more linear / hierarchical pages that summarize and add some exegesis (one of my favorite words lately).

Lord know it's on my radar as one of many things I'd love to do if I had the time and money to "git 'er done"... Sadly, we all have our day jobs.

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Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...

Unread postby substance » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:33 pm

Hey Michael, you can add this link to the neutron synthesis section (the only part and study I`ve red so far). In my link you can find pictures and result charts with graphics of the experiment.
By the way, I noticed that this study is from 2 years ago. Why hasn`t anyone tried to replicate the experiment?!? If confirmed, this will be very big!
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