An EU theorist can easily answer this

[celeste]

Wow. Do you realize what they've found here : http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0501669v1.pdf ?

First the problem:
From spectral studies, it looks like Arcturus is curving around a companion. Also, accurate positional measurements from Hipparcos say Arcturus is curving around a companion. But there is no visual companion there. And in case you think maybe there is a companion too close to resolve visually, it would show up in the spectrum. Again, nothing there.

The question: How can there be multiple lines of evidence that Arcturus is curving through space, yet no evidence of anything for it to curve around?

[nick c]

hi Celeste,

The question: How can there be multiple lines of evidence that Arcturus is curving through space, yet no evidence of anything for it to curve around?

The jury is still out on Arcturus' hypothetical companion. Information is far from complete. The companion could be a small star/large gas giant at close distance to Arcturus, that is not detectable with currently available techniques.

Hatzes and Cochran postulated in 2009 the presence of a massive companion planet to explain radial velocity variations, though radial pulsations can also produce similar variations. Such a substellar object would yield nearly 12 times the mass of Jupiter and be located close to Earth’s orbital zone, at 1.1 astronomical units. So far the planet has not been confirmed or retracted.

from:
http://www.universetoday.com/46188/arcturus/

[celeste]

nick c,
Ah, but read the first article. They show why a mass of a few Jupiters won't work. Some evidence points to a secondary mass almost equal to the primary! Clearly that doesn't work either. As they say "Clearly, it is not possible to combine all results into one consistent explanation".
Nick, What they found is that Arcturus is spiraling around magnetic field lines. They just don't know it yet.

[nick c]

That's a possibility.
But there is not enough information, due to the technical limitations, to come to conclusions.
Also, note this from the article that you referenced:

A companion of similar spectral type and 4–8L⊙ can
only be a red (sub-)giant of slightly lower initial mass than
Arcturus. Note that a higher mass is not possible because
of evolutionary reasons: in such case, the companion would
have been much brighter than the primary, under the assumption
that they are coeval.

The authors are ruling out certain parameters based upon the conventional ideas of stellar evolution, ie the stars were formed at the same time and have had similar evolutions.
I think it is premature to rule out the possibility of an unseen companion star.

[celeste]

nick , Sometimes I don't think anyone wants to test to see which is true. Remember the double helix nebula: http://www.physicalsciences.ucla.edu/re ... ehelix.asp
That was a case where EU theorists said stars are clearly spiraling, but the mainstream still says all the stars are traveling together across the field of view , and its just the nebula that winds up behind them. That was one where all anyone had to do was get a spectroscope on some of those stars. Either those stars all have similar radial velocities (and the mainstream is right), or there are different radial velocities for stars on each side of the axis (and EU is right about these stars). It seemed like a simple test but nobody (to my knowledge) tried it. Or am I missing some reason why that test could'nt be done?

[Lloyd]

* Celeste, are you suggesting that Arcturus is spiraling around magnetic field lines, the way particles do? I haven't heard of that idea before myself. The largest object I find in net searches that spiral around magnetic field lines are ions. If you've read that stars etc can do that, I'd like to see your source.

[celeste]

* Celeste, are you suggesting that Arcturus is spiraling around magnetic field lines, the way particles do? I haven't heard of that idea before myself. The largest object I find in net searches that spiral around magnetic field lines are ions. If you've read that stars etc can do that, I'd like to see your source.

Lloyd, Yes, Arcturus is spiraling around magnetic field lines. Now, even if you believe that the stars in the double helix nebula are moving on an electromagnetic path (exactly as it looks), you may object that Arcturus' motion is substantially different. You will tell me that the stars in the double helix are spiraling in some 10,000 year orbit with a radius of a few light years. So why is Arcturus spiraling in such a short period, small radius orbit? The answer lies in Arcturus motion in the galaxy. We always think of Arcturus motion as being fast (it is in reference to us), but in the galactic frame, Arcturus is moving way more slowly than other nearby stars. Just as with particles moving through a magnetic field, where qvB=mv^2/r, slower motion means a tighter spiral.
As far as a source, merely read Scott or Thornhill saying that stars are charged, and the rest follows like the cart behind the horse. Stars can spiral in Birkeland currents, or spiral through galactic scale magnetic fields. Look closely at the double helix nebula, and you will see evidence that they are doing BOTH.

[celeste]

This should give you a good idea about what they are seeing when they "discover" a black hole. First, they often see a star tightly orbiting a point in space where there is no visible object. But that is how a star would appear if it is circling magnetic field lines. And when the mainstream sees all that radiation, they say it must be from the matter falling into the black hole. But again, don't charged particles circling (and colliding)in magnetic fields give off radiation? O.K. so why is matter pulled off the star if not by the gravity of the black hole? If a star is circling tightly in a magnetic field, all the ions from that star will tend to spiral in a different path, depending on the mass /charge ratio of that ion. You really do end up with what looks like an accretion disk.

[celeste]

Actually , a star spiraling in a magnetic field looks a lot like the mainstreams' "star orbiting a black hole". From the stars motion,to the "accretion disk",to the jets perpendicular to to the stars orbital plane. Now I see why the mainstream sees black holes everywhere. I hope they "find" more.

[Lloyd]

* I think Peratt has suggested that a star can form within one Birkland current while its planets form within a second one and the two currents would then spiral around each other.

[celeste]

It gets better yet. I just read that Arcturus has a spin axis that is angled at least 80 degrees from our line of sight.
Is anyone seeing a pattern? As covered in other threads, we have Vega within 5 degrrees of the direction the sun is traveling, and we are looking down Vega's spin axis to within 5 degrees. Now we have Arcturus with a high velocity mostly perpendicular to our line of sight, and we are seeing it nearly edge on. Got that? We are traveling nearly on an axis with one star,and we are looking down it's spin axis, Another star is moving nearly orthogonally ACROSS the sky,and we are seeing it edge on. This is exactly what we would expect in an electric universe where stars are both spinning around and moving down a current filament.