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extraordinary outburst from black hole in galaxy m83/

Unread postby Sparky » Tue May 01, 2012 11:08 am

http://scitechdaily.com/extraordinary-o ... alaxy-m83/

The intriguing new ULX is located in M83, a spiral galaxy about 15 million light years from Earth, discovered in 2010 with Chandra. Astronomers compared this data with Chandra images from 2000 and 2001, which showed the source had increased in X-ray brightness by at least 3,000 times and has since become the brightest X-ray source in M83.

The sudden brightening of the M83 ULX is one of the largest changes in X-rays ever seen for this type of object, which do not usually show dormant periods. No sign of the ULX image was found in historical X-rays made with Einstein Observatory in 1980, ROSAT in 1994, the European Space Agency’s XMM-Newton in 2003 and 2008, or NASA’s Swift observatory in 2005.


HellOo!!? From "dormant",ie. nonexistent, to one of the most energetic! :shock:

This should "surprise" them!! 8-)

“The flaring up of this ULX took us by surprise and was a sure sign we had discovered something new about the way black holes grow,” said Roberto Soria of Curtin University in Australia, who led the new study. The dramatic jump in X-ray brightness, according to the researchers, likely occurred because of a sudden increase in the amount of material falling into the black hole.


:roll: Nonsensical assumptions, speculations and conclusions. :roll:
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Re: extraordinary outburst from black hole in galaxy m83/

Unread postby Michael Mozina » Tue May 01, 2012 11:48 am

Sparky wrote:http://scitechdaily.com/extraordinary-outburst-from-black-hole-in-galaxy-m83/

The intriguing new ULX is located in M83, a spiral galaxy about 15 million light years from Earth, discovered in 2010 with Chandra. Astronomers compared this data with Chandra images from 2000 and 2001, which showed the source had increased in X-ray brightness by at least 3,000 times and has since become the brightest X-ray source in M83.

The sudden brightening of the M83 ULX is one of the largest changes in X-rays ever seen for this type of object, which do not usually show dormant periods. No sign of the ULX image was found in historical X-rays made with Einstein Observatory in 1980, ROSAT in 1994, the European Space Agency’s XMM-Newton in 2003 and 2008, or NASA’s Swift observatory in 2005.


HellOo!!? From "dormant",ie. nonexistent, to one of the most energetic! :shock:

This should "surprise" them!! 8-)

“The flaring up of this ULX took us by surprise and was a sure sign we had discovered something new about the way black holes grow,” said Roberto Soria of Curtin University in Australia, who led the new study. The dramatic jump in X-ray brightness, according to the researchers, likely occurred because of a sudden increase in the amount of material falling into the black hole.


:roll: Nonsensical assumptions, speculations and conclusions. :roll:


It's almost comical (were it not so sad) that EVERY new high energy observation that the mainstream observes in space *MUST* necessarily be associated with a "black hole" or a "neutron star". It's utterly inconceivable to them that increases in x-rays are related to increases in current.
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Re: extraordinary outburst from black hole in galaxy m83/

Unread postby Michael V » Tue May 01, 2012 12:41 pm

Michael,

We know only too well that a black hole is an imaginary mathematical construct, but then so is energy and electromagnetic waves. And just a little nudge to keep you honest: do you know what current is?

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Re: extraordinary outburst from black hole in galaxy m83/

Unread postby habalajabala » Tue May 01, 2012 1:38 pm

Michael V wrote:do you know what current is?


Do you mean current as in the amount of electricity flowing through a given circuit?
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Re: extraordinary outburst from black hole in galaxy m83/

Unread postby Michael V » Wed May 02, 2012 12:48 am

habalajabala,

Hello and welcome.

My post was actually an deliberately clumsy attempt to point out that Electric Universe theorists, despite their accumulated years of study, do not understand Electromagnetism (including electricity). It is important to critique obvious errors and poke most deserving ridicule at Standard Model worshippers, but it is also important to get one's own house in order.

habalajabala wrote:Do you mean current as in the amount of electricity flowing through a given circuit?

Talk about can of worms:

flowing - electricity does not flow

current - electricity produces a magnetic effect that can be measured, but it is not a "current"

circuit - what circuit?

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Re: extraordinary outburst from black hole in galaxy m83/

Unread postby Sparky » Wed May 02, 2012 7:20 am

flowing - electricity does not flow

current - electricity produces a magnetic effect that can be measured, but it is not a "current"

circuit - what circuit?


Michael!...We have been communicating, casually and mathematically, about electricity for quite a long time. I am sure that "flow" means many things to different people. Would you agree to "flow" being a cascade effect of energy release? If not, define this apparent "electrical" cascade in a single word, document it at a link that can be referred to, and maybe we can then all get on the same page, even though it is still logical speculation. :oops:

Same with "current". :oops:

Electrical effects appear to manifest in or near circuits. What do we call these avenues of "trigger" aligned electrons? Just so we all can get on the same page. :oops:
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Re: extraordinary outburst from black hole in galaxy m83/

Unread postby Michael V » Thu May 03, 2012 1:28 am

Sparky,

Sparky wrote:I am sure that "flow" means many things to different people.

I'm not sure that I agree with you on this. I think that the majority of people believe that there is some form of physical transfer from source to load. This is either a stream of electrons carrying their action-at-a-distance charge with them, which they then deposit at the load so that work can be done (this is basically the EU suggestion for the electric Sun), or, there are electromagnetic "waves of energy". The reasoning is that you burn coal at one end and the light bulb shines at the other end, so "electrical energy" (apparently energy comes in different forms) must be transferred from source to load.

The problem that we are presented with is that many of the words used to describe electricity are erroneous, because they belong to erroneous ideas. The 200 year old legacy is that of an analogy to the motion of a fluid. In an attempt to adhere to this preconception we have either a flow of electrons or, somewhat laughably, "electromagnetic waves" forming in the "dielectric". Electromagnetic waves are of course as real as black holes and are created by the same process of delusional mathematics combined with wishful thinking.

So do we take the descriptive words we have and try to apply them, even though they are incorrect? or try to introduce a new set of terms that might more accurately describe a logically realistic physical process. Well what does electricity consist of? There is the operation and orientation of free electrons that displays as transverse and longitudinal "fields", i.e. B and E field respectively. Already the term "field" is misleading because the "field" is simply the detectable and mappable force vectors produced by the interaction of external objects and the resultant of coherent/polarised emission of the free electrons. The transverse/B field is the "current" and the predominantly longitudinal/E field is the "potential difference" (obviously the transverse/B field may also include a transverse component of the predominantly, but not exclusively, longitudinal/E field). The "current" IS the "magnetic" B-field, one does not create the other, they are the exact same process. There is no "flow" and there is no flow of "current". These terms are about as useful for understanding electricity as are "gravitational collapse" and "event horizon" for understanding the wide variety of astronomical phenomena assigned to black holes.

Sparky wrote:.... even though it is still logical speculation.

As opposed to the illogical speculation of flow, current, potential difference and electromagnetic waves.

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Re: extraordinary outburst from black hole in galaxy m83/

Unread postby Sparky » Thu May 03, 2012 8:52 am

I agree with what you said, but-

me:
Would you agree to "flow" being a cascade effect of energy release? If not, define this apparent "electrical" cascade in a single word,- :?: -


MJV:
The problem that we are presented with is that many of the words used to describe electricity are erroneous-


So, what words should we use? :?:

For me, it is easier to readjust my concept of electricity than to refer to electricity, using a page of describing effects. Do the maths that use electrical terms give close enough answers?Do we need to refer to electrical effects in mathematical equations?

MJV:
The "current" IS the "magnetic" B-field, one does not create the other, they are the exact same process. There is no "flow" and there is no flow of "current".


So what term do we use for the apparent effect of energy flow along a wire? The B thingy? :D ... :?

What about lightning? The Scary, Bright B thingy in the sky?

MJV:
As opposed to the illogical speculation of flow, current, potential difference and electromagnetic waves.


The point was what terms do we apply to this phenomenon, even though most of the world wants to believe the illogical. How about EMF?
I think it would be easier to redefine electricity, and let people learn at their own rate, if ever. :?
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