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Admission that magnetic fields are caused by electricity

Unread postby Benevolent » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:13 pm

Discovered by a German astronomer in1950, the Biermann process predicts that a magnetic field can spring up spontaneously from nothing more than the motion of charged particles. Plasma, or charged particle gas, is abundant in space.

Scientists believe that large clouds of gas collapsing into galaxies sent elliptically shaped bubbles of shockwaves through the early universe, touching off flows of electric current in the plasma of the intergalactic medium.


"If you can make current flow, you make a magnetic field," Drake said.


http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-gal ... sters.html
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Re: Admission that magnetic fields are caused by electricity

Unread postby Sparky » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:36 pm

"We didn't understand what mechanism might create a magnetic field, --"It has been a very enduring mystery."
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So, If we could collect some +ions in a pressure tank, then release the "gas" through a tube, there would be a magnetic field created around the tube???

Note: A HannesAlfven responded to this article... ;)
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Ahhh! So the Big Bang did it all with lasers!!

Unread postby +EyeOn-W-ANeed2Know » Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:50 am

http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-gal ... sters.html

With high-energy pulsed lasers in a French laboratory, the researchers created certain conditions analogous to those in the early universe when galaxies were forming. Through their experiment, they demonstrated that the theory known as the Biermann battery process is likely correct.

Discovered by a German astronomer in 1950, the Biermann process predicts that a magnetic field can spring up spontaneously from nothing more than the motion of charged particles. Plasma, or charged particle gas, is abundant in space.


Hurray! They're getting around to some of the ideas...

Scientists believe that large clouds of gas collapsing into galaxies sent elliptically shaped bubbles of shockwaves through the early universe, touching off flows of electric current in the plasma of the intergalactic medium.


Awww. So close.

"If you can make current flow, you make a magnetic field," Drake said.


Ummm yeah. The Electromagnetic connection is the same point EU proponents have been trying to make for some time...

The question in astrophysics was what could have generated the current. This experiment demonstrated that such asymmetrical shockwaves could do the job.


So it was the Big Bang's laser light show that's responsible for all galactic magnetics? Are these the same lasers that caused all the magnetic field lines to freeze into the Plasma cicles? ;)

"The results, Drake said, aren't particularly surprising. But it's important for scientists to test their theories with experiments".


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Re: Ahhh! So the Big Bang did it all with lasers!!

Unread postby Ion01 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:09 pm

So which came first.... the movement of charged particles that made the electric field bubble or the electric field bubble that made the charged particles move?
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collapsing gas clouds? hold on there!

Unread postby rjhuntington » Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:32 pm

...large clouds of gas collapsing...

But of course we know, from the behavior of gases as observed every day in nature and from the lows of physics, that real gas clouds do not collapse but rather always diffuse to the extent the container enveloping the gas allows.

A cloud of hydrogen in space, no matter how much of it there may be in an area, could ever collapse in on itself because the molecules would always bounce off each other and away from the center of the mass overall, thus diffusing. That's what gases do, that being a key property of their gaseous nature.

In open space, there is effectively no enveloping container for gas clouds. Then without a solid core against which to gravitationally coalesce, gas molecules have no reason to 'stick' around as there is nothing with enough gravity of its own to make a gas molecule adhere, certainly not to another of its gaseous kind.
So which came first.... the movement of charged particles that made the electric field bubble or the electric field bubble that made the charged particles move?

Both have always existed in a complementary way, meaning each completes the other. In the infinite eternal universe, charged particles in space present electric fields in space which accelerate charged particles in space (what charged particle is not in motion anyway?) which self-assemble into twisted pairs of plasma currents that power magnetic fields in space which ignite the stars and galaxies and shape the structures of the cosmos.

That's how I think it works, but one way or another, gas clouds don't collapse.
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Re: Ahhh! So the Big Bang did it all with lasers!!

Unread postby Goldminer » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:27 pm

Actually, God had a really large helping of blackeyed peas and hawgjowls. This caused a lower gastric disturbance resulting in a release of pressure (of a gaseous nature) into the proto-universal aether. The resulting vortex and electrical current's arcing, set off the cloud and the result was the mythical "Big Bang!"

Now you know "The rest of the story!'
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Re: Admission that magnetic fields are caused by electricity

Unread postby Corona » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:20 pm

This seems like a rather big step forward??
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Re: Admission that magnetic fields are caused by electricity

Unread postby mharratsc » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:12 pm

We're going to see more and more carefully-worded articles in mainstream which demonstrate that we are in Phase 3 of the paradigm shift, wherein mainstream proponents attempt to convince us that "they knew it all the time"...
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Lasers, Shockwaves & Magnetic Fields, Oh My!

Unread postby MGmirkin » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:44 pm

(Lasers shine light on galactic magnetic fields)
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/5222 ... tic-fields

So, their 'final solution is "shock waves create magnetic fields."

Umm, they seem to have glossed over a step in the causal chain: "current loops."

Bottom line: shock waves generate CURRENT LOOPS (electric currents). Magnetic fields are simply a byproduct of the electric currents. ;)

Here's an idea: perhaps now that they've finally figured out this basic piece of electrical physics (current loops --> magnetic fields; mmm hmm!), they should start looking for the underlying 'current loops' (electric currents) wherever they detect 'magnetic fields' (pretty much everywhere). Seems we really do live in an Electric [and thus, by extension, also Magnetic] Universe.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Perhaps it's time to revisit Alfvén's 'unipolar inductor' model of galactic magnetic fields?

(Unipolar Inductor)
http://www.plasma-universe.com/Unipolar_inductor

Like wow, man... It's got currents too! See the big 'I's there. Y'know, the symbol for flowing 'juice' (current)...

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Re: Ahhh! So the Big Bang did it all with lasers!!

Unread postby MGmirkin » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:45 pm

They could also investigate the "magnetic slinky" in Orion, which appears to be a real-world example of the 'pinch effect' in action.

http://www.plasma-universe.com/Pinch

A pinch (sometimes called a "knot" or "Bennett pinch" (after Willard Harrison Bennett), "electromagnetic pinch", "magnetic pinch", "pinch effect" or "plasma pinch") is the compression of an electrically conducting filament by magnetic forces.


(Astronomers find magnetic Slinky in Orion)
http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases ... ical.shtml

You can think of this structure as a giant, magnetic Slinky wrapped around a long, finger-like interstellar cloud," said Timothy Robishaw, a graduate student in astronomy at the University of California, Berkeley. "The magnetic field lines are like stretched rubber bands; the tension squeezes the cloud into its filamentary shape.


Fanciful verbiage aside, it boils down to a filament compressed by its own magnetic field. Common sense says that a current is flowing through the filament and this is a very simple demonstration of the pinch effect.

Something of a low-grade cosmic lightning bolt (or something not dissimilar to the glowing filaments of your garden variety plasma lamp / lightning globe, whatever you prefer to call it; they work on the same principle of the 'pinch effect').

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