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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Lloyd » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:02 pm

Sparky, what's nonsense? The idea that aether displacement may cause the force of gravity doesn't seem like nonsense to me. Are you referring to something else?

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Chromium6 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:48 pm

Dynamic theory of gravity

Tesla published a prepared statement on his 81st birthday (July 10, 1937) critiquing Albert Einstein's theory of relativity. The following is a portion of that statement:
"... Supposing that the bodies act upon the surrounding space causing curving of the same, it appears to my simple mind that the curved spaces must react on the bodies, and producing the opposite effects, straightening out the curves. Since action and reaction are coexistent, it follows that the supposed curvature of space is entirely impossible - But even if it existed it would not explain the motions of the bodies as observed. Only the existence of a field of force can account for the motions of the bodies as observed, and its assumption dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are all attempts to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the existence of the ether and the indispensable function it plays in the phenomena."
"My second discovery was of a physical truth of the greatest importance. As I have searched the entire scientific records in more than a half dozen languages for a long time without finding the least anticipation, I consider myself the original discoverer of this truth, which can be expressed by the statement: There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment." — Nikola Tesla
While this statement asserted that Tesla had "worked out a dynamic theory of gravity" that he soon hoped to give to the world, he reportedly died before he publicized the details. There is still a halo of mystery around his death - even the exact date is not certain. It is speculated that his death may have been caused by too much "pressure" by agents in order to extract and obtain the secret documents regarding this theory.

Unfortunately few details were publicly revealed by Tesla about his theory. Available details argument against space being curved by gravitational effects, which leads some to believe Tesla failed to understand Einstein's theory is not about curved space at all, but curved space-time. However, there is disagreement about Tesla's exact understanding of Einstein's theories; Tesla was actively conducting tangible experiments during the time of Einstein's theoretical research. He underlined that time was a mere man-made reference used for convenience and as such the idea of a "curved space-time" was delusional, hence there was no basis for the Relativistic "space-time" binomium concept.

Tesla's aether concept

It is important to correctly comprehend Tesla's unique aether concept as several popular researchers in the field have not done. Tesla's aether is analogous to the classical aether "gas" theory.
"Long ago he recognized that all perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, or tenuity beyond conception, filling all space, the Akasha or luminiferous ether, acted upon by the life giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never ending cycles all things and phenomena. The primary substance, thrown into infinitesimal whirls of prodigious velocity, becomes gross matter; the force subsiding, the motion ceases and matter disappears, reverting to the primary substance." (Grotz, 1997)
Tesla's aether is a rarefied gas having extreme elasticity. It allows ponderable matter to pass almost freely through it, waves in it are electromagnetic waves and electrostatic, gravitational and magnetic forces are all directly related to the aether. It is important to note that there are major errors in the works of several major Tesla researchers, they have incorrectly deduced from Tesla's pre-1900 lectures on alternate currents of high potential that Tesla said his aether could be "polarized" and made "rigid" through a particular high frequency alternator and single terminal coil (ex. 1892 lecture in London) and 2 metal plates which he "suspended" in the air making the space between them rigid "privately" on one another (ed. the Tesla Effect). Tesla believed his aether to be an insulating medium and after studying the lectures in detail it becomes apparent that he is in fact talking about polarizing and solidifying the air, not the aether. Also his aether is said to be carriers immersed in an insulating medium as supposedly quoted from one of his high frequency lectures. This is incorrect as reading it properly it states that the air is the carriers and the insulating medium is the aether. In 1894, Tesla invented a special bulb (which was the ultimate result of his research in vacuum tubes; the unipolar "targetless" bulb) which augmented this technology to create "tubes of force" which could be used for motive power (what Tesla later cited as "veritable ropes of air"). Note that the tubes of force is only a theory and without proof should not be taken seriously.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:26 pm

Chromium6 wrote:Dynamic theory of gravity

Tesla published a prepared statement on his 81st birthday (July 10, 1937) critiquing Albert Einstein's theory of relativity. The following is a portion of that statement:
"... Supposing that the bodies act upon the surrounding space causing curving of the same, it appears to my simple mind that the curved spaces must react on the bodies, and producing the opposite effects, straightening out the curves. Since action and reaction are coexistent, it follows that the supposed curvature of space is entirely impossible - But even if it existed it would not explain the motions of the bodies as observed. Only the existence of a field of force can account for the motions of the bodies as observed, and its assumption dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are all attempts to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the existence of the ether and the indispensable function it plays in the phenomena."
"My second discovery was of a physical truth of the greatest importance. As I have searched the entire scientific records in more than a half dozen languages for a long time without finding the least anticipation, I consider myself the original discoverer of this truth, which can be expressed by the statement: There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment." — Nikola Tesla
While this statement asserted that Tesla had "worked out a dynamic theory of gravity" that he soon hoped to give to the world, he reportedly died before he publicized the details. There is still a halo of mystery around his death - even the exact date is not certain. It is speculated that his death may have been caused by too much "pressure" by agents in order to extract and obtain the secret documents regarding this theory.

Unfortunately few details were publicly revealed by Tesla about his theory. Available details argument against space being curved by gravitational effects, which leads some to believe Tesla failed to understand Einstein's theory is not about curved space at all, but curved space-time. However, there is disagreement about Tesla's exact understanding of Einstein's theories; Tesla was actively conducting tangible experiments during the time of Einstein's theoretical research. He underlined that time was a mere man-made reference used for convenience and as such the idea of a "curved space-time" was delusional, hence there was no basis for the Relativistic "space-time" binomium concept.

Tesla's aether concept

It is important to correctly comprehend Tesla's unique aether concept as several popular researchers in the field have not done. Tesla's aether is analogous to the classical aether "gas" theory.
"Long ago he recognized that all perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, or tenuity beyond conception, filling all space, the Akasha or luminiferous ether, acted upon by the life giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never ending cycles all things and phenomena. The primary substance, thrown into infinitesimal whirls of prodigious velocity, becomes gross matter; the force subsiding, the motion ceases and matter disappears, reverting to the primary substance." (Grotz, 1997)
Tesla's aether is a rarefied gas having extreme elasticity. It allows ponderable matter to pass almost freely through it, waves in it are electromagnetic waves and electrostatic, gravitational and magnetic forces are all directly related to the aether. It is important to note that there are major errors in the works of several major Tesla researchers, they have incorrectly deduced from Tesla's pre-1900 lectures on alternate currents of high potential that Tesla said his aether could be "polarized" and made "rigid" through a particular high frequency alternator and single terminal coil (ex. 1892 lecture in London) and 2 metal plates which he "suspended" in the air making the space between them rigid "privately" on one another (ed. the Tesla Effect). Tesla believed his aether to be an insulating medium and after studying the lectures in detail it becomes apparent that he is in fact talking about polarizing and solidifying the air, not the aether. Also his aether is said to be carriers immersed in an insulating medium as supposedly quoted from one of his high frequency lectures. This is incorrect as reading it properly it states that the air is the carriers and the insulating medium is the aether. In 1894, Tesla invented a special bulb (which was the ultimate result of his research in vacuum tubes; the unipolar "targetless" bulb) which augmented this technology to create "tubes of force" which could be used for motive power (what Tesla later cited as "veritable ropes of air"). Note that the tubes of force is only a theory and without proof should not be taken seriously.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia ... of_Gravity
The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is a physical process determined by the physical state of the space in which it exists. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the state of the aether in which it exists. The greater the pressure of the displaced aether exerted toward and throughout an atomic clock the slower the clock ticks. In terms of general relativity, this is the pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive objects. In terms of special relativity, this is the pressure associated with the aether displaced by the moving atomic clock.

Aether and matter are different states of the same material. Aether has mass.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"

The electromagnetic field is a state of aether.

Matter is condensations of aether.

DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish; however, the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as aether.

Matter evaporates into aether.

As matter converts to aether it expands in three dimensional space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring aether and matter is energy.

Mass is conserved. Energy is conserved.

A change in state of that which has mass is energy.

When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium"

The hidden medium is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit. The associated aether wave passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves become disorderly. The waves are disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

Curved spacetime is displaced aether.

Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable" - Albert Einstein

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubbl ... ature.html

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."

The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The 'ripple' is a gravitational wave. The 'ripple' is an aether displacement wave.

The above is physical evidence of a moving 'particle' having an associated aether displacement wave.

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Chromium6 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:58 pm

I think Tesla read this book by JJ Thompson:

"Electricity and Mass"


http://ia700401.us.archive.org/32/items ... omiala.pdf

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:30 am

Lloyd wrote:Sparky, what's nonsense? The idea that aether displacement may cause the force of gravity doesn't seem like nonsense to me. Are you referring to something else?
It's not just gravity aether displacement explains correctly.

Aether displacement correctly defines time. Aether displacement correctly defines the relationship between mass and energy. Aether displacement correctly defines what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment.

The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is a physical process determined by the physical state of the space in which it exists. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the state of the aether in which it exists. The greater the pressure of the displaced aether exerted toward and throughout an atomic clock the slower the clock ticks. In terms of general relativity, this is the pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive objects. In terms of special relativity, this is the pressure associated with the aether displaced by the moving atomic clock.

Aether and matter are different states of the same material. Aether has mass.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"

The electromagnetic field is a state of aether.

Matter is condensations of aether.

DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish; however, the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as aether.

Matter evaporates into aether.

As matter converts to aether it expands in three dimensional space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring aether and matter is energy.

Mass is conserved. Energy is conserved.

A change in state of that which has mass is energy.

When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium"

The hidden medium is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit. The associated aether wave passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves become disorderly. The waves are disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

Curved spacetime is displaced aether.

Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable" - Albert Einstein

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubbl ... ature.html

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."

The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The 'ripple' is a gravitational wave. The 'ripple' is an aether displacement wave.

The above is physical evidence of a moving 'particle' having an associated aether displacement wave.

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Sparky » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:43 am

Lloyd wrote:Sparky, what's nonsense? The idea that aether displacement may cause the force of gravity doesn't seem like nonsense to me. Are you referring to something else?
Lloyd, mpc, I may not understand what this displacement aether is, but as i do understand, matter displaces the aether matter and as a result the aether attempts to return to where it was, producing gravity.

Now, either the aether that is displaced is absorbed by that aether which is not displaced or the displaced aether is somehow blocked from merging into the surrounding aether, producing a concentration, as a sphere around the displacing matter. The former would not produce a force effect. The latter would produce a gravity effect. But, at the demarcation area of displaced and non-displaced aether there would be a force, acting as gravity, pressure, in the opposite direction, away from the displacement matter.

I will assume that the area within the demarcation line would equal the volume of the displacement matter. So, around every star, planet, moon, and asteroid there would be sphere of repelling force. This force, acting upon the matter as gravity on one side of the demarcation, and repelling on the other, would be
held in place by some unknown mechanism, a property of the aether.

As far as i know, there is no sphere of repelling force around the Earth, the moon, sun, nor any other planet. Since there is not, then there is nothing for the compressed aether to push against to produce gravity.

Force does not magically appear. That is why i said this balls and springs displacement gravity model is nonsense.

The references and their conclusions are also, for the most part, nonsense. Speculations built upon assumptions that came from speculations and assumptions. Nonsense.

I leave this magical nonsense to those who desire to believe it. :roll:


PS: mjv's quantum aether model makes more sense.
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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:04 am

Sparky wrote:
Lloyd wrote:Sparky, what's nonsense? The idea that aether displacement may cause the force of gravity doesn't seem like nonsense to me. Are you referring to something else?
Lloyd, mpc, I may not understand what this displacement aether is, but as i do understand, matter displaces the aether matter and as a result the aether attempts to return to where it was, producing gravity.

Now, either the aether that is displaced is absorbed by that aether which is not displaced or the displaced aether is somehow blocked from merging into the surrounding aether, producing a concentration, as a sphere around the displacing matter. The former would not produce a force effect. The latter would produce a gravity effect. But, at the demarcation area of displaced and non-displaced aether there would be a force, acting as gravity, pressure, in the opposite direction, away from the displacement matter.

I will assume that the area within the demarcation line would equal the volume of the displacement matter. So, around every star, planet, moon, and asteroid there would be sphere of repelling force. This force, acting upon the matter as gravity on one side of the demarcation, and repelling on the other, would be
held in place by some unknown mechanism, a property of the aether.

As far as i know, there is no sphere of repelling force around the Earth, the moon, sun, nor any other planet. Since there is not, then there is nothing for the compressed aether to push against to produce gravity.

Force does not magically appear. That is why i said this balls and springs displacement gravity model is nonsense.

The references and their conclusions are also, for the most part, nonsense. Speculations built upon assumptions that came from speculations and assumptions. Nonsense.

I leave this magical nonsense to those who desire to believe it. :roll:


PS: mjv's quantum aether model makes more sense.
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; an incompressible fluid.

When you throw a stone into the ocean where does the displacement of the water by the stone end?

You don't say the water displaced by the stone is absorbed by the other water in the ocean, do you?

Where is the demarcation line when you throw a stone into the ocean?

It is only magical nonsense to you because you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Oracle_911 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:06 am

mpc755 wrote:
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; an incompressible fluid.

When you throw a stone into the ocean where does the displacement of the water by the stone end?

You don't say the water displaced by the stone is absorbed by the other water in the ocean, do you?

Where is the demarcation line when you throw a stone into the ocean?

It is only magical nonsense to you because you have no idea what you are talking about.
OK, incompressible superfluid, you are basically right. But every piece of matter is not just condensed aether, but it is filled with aether (believe me there is enough space between atoms for aether). How is the filled depends on the presence and intensity of electric fields, the temperature of its surroundings and how many matter is in its close vicinity. Because of that aether is highly inhomogeneous even in our local areas-that is the reason why Eötvös pendulum works.

One more thing, if you heat objects it became less dense, it happens because you fill the matter with aether.

Well i already wrote the gravitation is like a surface tension (or something like that), it's bit inaccurate. Because the pressure on the surface of objects are the same as in their center (if we assume their temperature is everywhere the same as on their surface).
Standpoint of "scientists": If reality doesn`t match with my theory, than reality has a problem.

Sorry for bad English and aggressive tone, i`m not native speaker.

PS: I`m a chemist.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:12 am

Oracle_911 wrote:
mpc755 wrote:
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; an incompressible fluid.

When you throw a stone into the ocean where does the displacement of the water by the stone end?

You don't say the water displaced by the stone is absorbed by the other water in the ocean, do you?

Where is the demarcation line when you throw a stone into the ocean?

It is only magical nonsense to you because you have no idea what you are talking about.
OK, incompressible superfluid, you are basically right. But every piece of matter is not just condensed aether, but it is filled with aether (believe me there is enough space between atoms for aether). How is the filled depends on the presence and intensity of electric fields, the temperature of its surroundings and how many matter is in its close vicinity. Because of that aether is highly inhomogeneous even in our local areas-that is the reason why Eötvös pendulum works.
Aether exists where particles of matter do not, including the space between subatomic particles.
One more thing, if you heat objects it became less dense, it happens because you fill the matter with aether.
We might be having a chicken-or-egg conversation on this one. If you heat objects the particles of matter they consist of move around more and expand which allows for there to be more aether filling the spaces between the particles of matter.
Well i already wrote the gravitation is like a surface tension (or something like that), it's bit inaccurate. Because the pressure on the surface of objects are the same as in their center (if we assume their temperature is everywhere the same as on their surface).
The pressure increases the further below the surface of the Earth you get. This is due to there being more displaced aether pushing back toward the center of the Earth.

The closer to the center of the Earth you get the more displaced aether there is pushing down toward the center of the Earth.

At the center of the Earth you would not experience gravity, as in, there is no where for you to be pushed to. The pressure exerted by the displaced aether toward and throughout you would be the same on all sides of you. However, the pressure of the displaced aether pushing toward you and throughout you would be greatest at the center of the Earth.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Aardwolf » Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:32 pm

mjv1121 wrote:PS Aardwolf: yes, I can answer you question now.
Michael,

This was from a few weeks ago but I didn't spot the answer on this thread. Is it elsewhere?

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Aardwolf » Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:44 pm

Michael,

Could you also clarify if the gravity particles, once interacting with matter are they absorbed or are they reflected, or does the gravity particle just pass through. And is any energy/momentum lost in the interaction.

Thanks.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mjv1121 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:44 am

Aardwolf,

I am in the process of writing papers that includes the explanation for the effect we call magnetism.

An aether particle contributing to the gravitational effect would be deflected/reflected. Momentum cannot ever be lost, only transferred.

I do like the idea of absorption, growing planets and such, but I think it safer to proceed on the basis of complete deflection/reflection. That said, the model can easily accept a degree of absorption - an increase in mass is also momentum transfer.

Michael

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:21 am

mjv1121 wrote:Aardwolf,

I am in the process of writing papers that includes the explanation for the effect we call magnetism.

An aether particle contributing to the gravitational effect would be deflected/reflected. Momentum cannot ever be lost, only transferred.

I do like the idea of absorption, growing planets and such, but I think it safer to proceed on the basis of complete deflection/reflection. That said, the model can easily accept a degree of absorption - an increase in mass is also momentum transfer.

Michael
Sounds like Le Sage's theory of gravitation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27 ... ravitation

"Le Sage's theory of gravitation is a kinetic theory of gravity originally proposed by Nicolas Fatio de Duillier in 1690 and later by Georges-Louis Le Sage in 1748. The theory proposed a mechanical explanation for Newton's gravitational force in terms of streams of tiny unseen particles (which Le Sage called ultra-mundane corpuscles) impacting all material objects from all directions. According to this model, any two material bodies partially shield each other from the impinging corpuscles, resulting in a net imbalance in the pressure exerted by the impact of corpuscles on the bodies, tending to drive the bodies together. This mechanical explanation for gravity never gained widespread acceptance, although it continued to be studied occasionally by physicists until the beginning of the 20th century, by which time it was generally considered to be conclusively discredited."

Einstein is more correct.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the aether at every place determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.

This coincides with de Broglie's understanding of the aether.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium"

The hidden medium is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

If you get rid of your aether particle and understand aether has mass and is physically displaced by matter then you will have a better understanding of the physics of nature.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mjv1121 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:51 am

mpc755,

Quite right, Nicolas Fatio was the man, it seems as though LeSage may have stolen his work and then tried to pass it off as his own, although it's of no matter now. The model of material particle field gravity has not been quite fully understood, I believe I have been able to correct it's shortcomings.

I would be interested in a detailed description of the nature of this gravitational aether of yours. Do you have any ideas on mass, density and velocity? What about your sub-aether and its mass, density and velocity?
mpc755 wrote:If you get rid of your aether particle and understand aether has mass and is physically displaced by matter then you will have a better understanding of the physics of nature.
Really, do tell?

Michael

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:43 am

mjv1121 wrote:mpc755,

Quite right, Nicolas Fatio was the man, it seems as though LeSage may have stolen his work and then tried to pass it off as his own, although it's of no matter now. The model of material particle field gravity has not been quite fully understood, I believe I have been able to correct it's shortcomings.

I would be interested in a detailed description of the nature of this gravitational aether of yours. Do you have any ideas on mass, density and velocity? What about your sub-aether and its mass, density and velocity?
mpc755 wrote:If you get rid of your aether particle and understand aether has mass and is physically displaced by matter then you will have a better understanding of the physics of nature.
Really, do tell?

Michael
Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.

This is what Voyager found evidence of.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/de ... yager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid.

The galaxy clusters in the following article are not traveling with dark matter. The galaxy clusters are moving through the aether. The galaxy clusters displace the aether.

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubbl ... ature.html

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."

The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The 'ripple' is a gravitational wave. The 'ripple' is an aether displacement wave.

The above is physical evidence of a moving 'particle' having an associated aether displacement wave.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium"

The hidden medium is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.

'A quantum take on certainty'
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110602/ ... 1.344.html

"Intriguingly, the trajectories closely match those predicted by an unconventional interpretation of quantum mechanics known as pilot-wave theory, in which each particle has a well-defined trajectory that takes it through one slit while the associated wave passes through both slits."

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit. The associated aether wave passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves become disorderly. The waves are disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

'Dark Halo Around Our Galaxy Looks Like Squished Beach Ball'
http://www.space.com/7746-dark-halo-gal ... -ball.html

"Dark matter seems to shroud the remaining visible matter in giant spheres called haloes."

The Milky Way's halo is displaced aether.

"But the new study found that the Milky Way's halo isn't exactly spherical, but squished. In fact, its beach-ball form is flattened in a surprising direction perpendicular to the galaxy's visible, pancake-shaped spiral disk."

All of the aether displaced by the Milky Way matter pushes back toward the Milky Way. The pressure exerted toward the matter by the aether displaced perpendicular to the plane of the galaxy's spiral disk offset. It is the aether which is displaced outward relative to the plane of the spiral disk which pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the center of the galaxy. This forces the matter closer together which results in the displaced aether looking like a squished beach ball.

Matter does not move with dark matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.

'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... x/abstract

"We compile a sample of 38 galaxy clusters which have both X-ray and strong lensing observations, and study for each cluster the projected offset between the dominant component of baryonic matter centre (measured by X-rays) and the gravitational centre (measured by strong lensing). Among the total sample, 45 per cent clusters have offsets [greater than]10 arcsec. The [greater than]10 arcsec separations are significant, considering the arcsecond precision in the measurement of the lensing/X-ray centres. This suggests that it might be a common phenomenon in unrelaxed galaxy clusters that gravitational field is separated spatially from the dominant component of baryonic matter. It also has consequences for lensing models of unrelaxed clusters since the gas mass distribution may differ from the dark matter distribution and give perturbations to the modelling. Such offsets can be used as a statistical tool for comparison with the results of Lambda cold dark matter ( CDM) simulations and to test the modified dynamics."

The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through the aether.

'Was the universe born spinning?'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688

"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis"

The Universe spins around a preferred axis because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; analogous to the polar jet of a black hole.

'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/new ... 0-023.html

'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'

The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet.

The following is an image analogous of the Universal jet.

http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html

The reason for the 'expansion' of the universe is the continual emission of aether into the Universal jet. Three dimensional space associated with the Universe itself is not expanding. What we see in our telescopes is the matter associated with the Universe moving outward and away from the Universal jet emission point. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where the increase in pressure caused by the aether continually being emitted into the Universal jet causes the aether to condense into matter.

The following is an image analogous of the Universe, or the local Universe, we exist in.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/planetarium/g ... ckHole.jpg

The following is an image analogous of the Universal spin.

http://i.space.com/images/i/612/i02/040 ... 1292259454

Dark flow is the aether emitted into the Universal jet. Dark energy is the change in state of the aether emitted into the Universal jet.

It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.

Einstein's definition of motion as applied to the ether is defined throughout the following article as the ether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time.

I interpret Einstein's definition of motion as applied to the ether to mean it can not be known if ether consists of particles or not.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium."

"There may be supposed to be extended physical objects to which the idea of motion cannot be applied. They may not be thought of as consisting of particles which allow themselves to be separately tracked through time."

"The special theory of relativity forbids us to assume the ether to consist of particles observable through time, but the hypothesis of ether in itself is not in conflict with the special theory of relativity."

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable;...But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it."

Every time Einstein mentions motion as applied to the ether it is defined as the ether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time. This is different than Einstein's definition of mobility as applied to the ether.

The ether of general relativity is mobile.

"It may be added that the whole change in the conception of the ether which the special theory of relativity brought about, consisted in taking away from the ether its last mechanical quality, namely, its immobility."

The mobility of the ether of relatiivty as determined by its connections with the matter is the state of displacement of the aether.

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the ether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the ether.

"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"

The electromagnetic field is a state of aether.

Matter is condensations of aether.

DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish; however, the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as aether.

Matter evaporates into aether.

As matter converts to aether it expands in three dimensional space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring aether and matter is energy.

When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.

A change in state of that which has mass is energy.

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