Comet Elenin on anyone's radar yet?

[Charger]

I tried to debunk the Elenin doom but I keep running into more doom... I tried to use the following
Geomagnetic Reversal- Specifically the intervals of the magnetic switch and the...
Orbit- Which is said to be 9,900 years (NASA) to 3,600 years (Mayan Prophecy)




I ran into issues with Geomagnetic reversal. There is no constant change, concluding that magnetic shifts are quite random and can occur once or more in an age.As the distances of Elenin and Earth could be different in the past cycles, it would be difficult to conclude a constant geomagnetic effect to occur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

Most reversals are estimated to take between 1,000 and 10,000 years. The latest one, the Brunhes–Matuyama reversal, occurred 780,000 years ago. Brief disruptions that do not result in reversal are called geomagnetic excursions.

So if Elenin comes around every 9,900 years, the question to ask is, "what happened 9,900 years ago?"
http://www.preceden.com/timelines/11904 ... old_zoom=y -A good chart to see mankind's advancement in perspective. Using this timeline, you can see the agriculture/civilization started to begin from 7,000 BC to 10,000 BC. This website includes the different cultures around the world that popped up around that time: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/oldest-c ... world.html Is it coincidence? Is this a boost in evolution or a reboot?



This may be news to you, but there are some serious people preparing for this thing. And I am aware of communities gathering in the "safe zones". I want to ask the Thunderbolt Community if there is any up-to-date science that counters the Elenin doom arguments. The twisted joke to all this is, if Elenin comes and goes, we still have other piles of crap waiting to hit the fan.

[starbiter]

I suppose a reversal of the poles is possible. But i think it's not likely. The electric grid we depend on is a much more likely problem. May Elenin pass by harmlessly is my mantra. It's my hope Elenin will not be a reason to embrace EU. There are so many other reasons to embrace EU.

embraceable michael

[goodsamaritan]

Comet Elenin pics are trickling in from Stereo B.
Surprising Gustavo Muler got new pictures too.

Mr. Leonid Elenin says his comet is now 200,000 + km in diameter and still growing.

So his comet is now larger than Jupiter, making it the 2nd largest object in our solar system for now.

Did not turn out to be a "wimpy comet" after all.

Nice latest videos and pics of comet Elenin at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY0Fi7TQMRQ

[Oracle_911]

Comet Elenin pics are trickling in from Stereo B.
Surprising Gustavo Muler got new pictures too.

Mr. Leonid Elenin says his comet is now 200,000 + km in diameter and still growing.

So his comet is now larger than Jupiter, making it the 2nd largest object in our solar system for now.

Did not turn out to be a "wimpy comet" after all.

Nice latest videos and pics of comet Elenin at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY0Fi7TQMRQ

Agreed, its not a wimpy comet, its a wimpy star.

OK, stupid jokes aside.
I don`t its that big as they say, maybe its size is between Jupiter and Neptune, maybe its anode glow is that big (and will shrink).

[ElecGeekMom]

Rather than assuming the emissions from the sun itself cause comets to brighten, couldn't it be that comets change in brightness as they enter and exit from the Birkeland current that powers our sun?

Could someone use that assumption to figure out the path of our sun's Birkeland current? (Or has that already been done, and I've missed it?)

[PersianPaladin]

I have to say, there really is a lot of nonsense on this thread. Seriously.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/ ... 10504.html

Provide proof that NASA is "covering things up" about any doom-scenario. If you can't, then you're being intellectually dishonest to say the least.

[Oracle_911]

I have to say, there really is a lot of nonsense on this thread. Seriously.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/ ... 10504.html

Provide proof that NASA is "covering things up" about any doom-scenario. If you can't, then you're being intellectually dishonest to say the least.

Well it wont be the 1st case, cuz i cant find the exact value of gravitational acceleration on other (terrestrial) planets and what is published based on (doubtful) calculations. They lost data, films etc from moon landings. The pictures from moon landings are made from films and they are retouched. Lost or manipulated pictures from Mars`s Spirit/Freedom missions.
So something is fishy about Mars missions and the Apollo program I`m not telling its all faked but something is definitively fishy .

[Lloyd]

* Several websites say things like: Diameter of coma of comet Elenin exceeded 200000 km. The coma is: A diffuse cloud of gas and dust surrounding the nucleus of a comet.
* The solid nucleus isn't yet detectable, so they don't know its diameter.
* This site, http://www.universetoday.com/86421/come ... passing-by, says this.

Some of the doomy-gloomy internet sites have been mentioning the size of Elenin as being 80,000 km across. This is a scary, exaggerated number that may be referring to the size of Elenin’s coma – a hazy cloud of icy particles that surrounds a much, much smaller nucleus. The coma can be extensive but is insubstantial; it’s akin to icy cigarette smoke. Less than that, in fact… a comet’s coma and tail are even more of a vacuum than can be reproduced in a lab on Earth! In reality most comets have a nucleus smaller than 10km…that’s less than a billionth the mass of Earth (and a far cry from 80,000 km.) We have no reason to think that Elenin is any larger than this – it’s most likely smaller.

[allynh]

I stumbled on some other comets to add to the list and checked the thread. Kashonia on June 11 posted links to the comets but no one followed up on it.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 180#p54029

These are the key comets that she linked to that I wanted to bring to peoples attention.

Comet Honda is passing by Earth right now, the 6th. It is only 0.147 AU from Earth as I post this, and will come within 0.0603 AU on the 15th.

Honda
45P/Honda–Mrkos–Pajdušáková
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45P/Honda- ... ajdusakova

45P/Honda-Mrkos-Pajdusakova
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=4 ... ;cad=0#orb

Comet Levy will be 0.0484 AU Jan 7th, 2012.

Levy
P/2006 T1 (Levy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P/2006_T1_(Levy)

P/2006 T1 (Levy)
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?ID=dK0 ... ;cad=0#orb

Comet Elenin will only be 0.234 AU at its closest approach Oct 16th.

C/2010 X1 (Elenin)
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C ... rb=1;cad=1

You guys need to run the JPL simulator on all three comets and get some perspective. While you are worried about Elenin, two other comets are coming much closer and no one is paying attention to them. HA!

[Plasmatic]

Its not about closeness per se. I cant find the period for Levy ,but Hondas is very short. From the EU perspective the period is more important in the case of potential electrical problems/threats.

[goodsamaritan]

Honda and Levy are SHORT period comets.
So no danger of big charges there.
And Levy is at a forbidding inclination, so no alignments with the planets there.

Elenin is hyperbolic orbit and virtually on the ecliptic at 1.8 degrees.
This is why we have earthquakes and solar flares as "coincidences" when it aligns.
The coincidences speak for themselves.
It is a matter of recognizing the coincidences or not.

We rented a house at a safer location with no fault lines.
So in the critical week before September 25, we will be taking our family vacation.

And of course prior to Sept 11, will be watching out for solar flares on NOAA.

[allynh]

The point is, Comet Holmes in October 2007 ballooned out to be the largest object in the Solar System. It was a huge glowing pearl in the evening sky as I went for my walk. Holmes was coming from less distance than Elenin, and expanded as it was leaving the inner system.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 19_Nup.jpg

Now, why did Holmes balloon out this time around. What was different. After all it has been swinging around that orbit for some time now. Lets start back in October 2007 when Comet Holmes ballooned out.

Run the JPL simulator for Holmes.
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=17P;orb=1#orb

Set the date for September 2007, then step it forward. Notice that all of the inner planets are on the same side of the Sun when Holmes expanded around October 23rd. Most of them stayed on the same side of the Sun as Holmes grew larger. Holmes didn't start to fade until February when it decoupled from the inner planets

Open another window and set the JPL simulator for Elenin.
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C ... rb=1;cad=1

Starting with October 23rd 2007, look at where Elenin was, just outside the orbit of Saturn, when Holmes expanded.

Run both simulators between Oct 23rd and Mar 01 and see what is going on.

- You have to have both windows open and visible to see this. I wish there was a way to select multiple comets to view at the same time, oh well. Just in case, here are snapshots of the event.

My point is, that it is more likely that Elenin dumped its charge into the system through interaction with Saturn and thus triggered Holmes to expand rather than Elenin activating earthquakes here on Earth simply because of planetary alignments.

When people talk about alignments, they are thinking gravity not electricity. Think electrical charge flowing through a plasma globe instead.

[Plasmatic]

allynh said :

My point is, that it is more likely that Elenin dumped its charge into the system through interaction with Saturn and thus triggered Holmes to expand rather than Elenin activating earthquakes here on Earth simply because of planetary alignments.

When people talk about alignments, they are thinking gravity not electricity. Think electrical charge flowing through a plasma globe instead.

I disagree about your gravity comment. You need to think about ion tails touching one another. What happens when you line up a bunch of batteries in series? I'm not saying that is a perfect analogy ,but nonetheless, it is an electrical consideration. Your observations elsewise are interesting nonetheless.

[ElecGeekMom]

The battery analogy is helpful.

However, I sometimes wonder if the interaction between our sun and visiting comets is not similar to what I see when, say, a lamp is on while I _turn on_ a laser printer (on the same circuit). Or, again, like how the lights can flicker when an industrial freezer cycles on.

I'm wondering if the Birkeland current has a fairly constant(?) flow of power, and a visiting comet (apparently which has the potential to become its own focus point for the power), thus diverting power from the sun. Or maybe the presence of the comet within the same Birkeland current causes the focus to "bounce" between the sun and the comet, causing instabilities in the amount of power reaching our planet...which apparently makes for more earthquakes and volcanic activity.

BTW, I know for a fact that the cycling of industrial freezers that are on the same circuit as computer monitors can kill a lot of monitors until they finally put the monitors and freezers on separate circuits!

[allynh]

I disagree about your gravity comment. You need to think about ion tails touching one another.

You are right about the tails, but the various videos I've seen talking about "alignments" for Elenin, planets and Sun, tying them with each major earthquake, ignore where the tail is and always shoot for the classic gravity alignment. They go for the "Beauty Shot" every time, like in the movie _2012_ or _Tomb Raider_. Ha!

We need better simulators, that show all the pieces of the puzzle.