Explanation of Anomalous Doppler Obs. in Pioneer 10 & 11
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Explanation of Anomalous Doppler Obs. in Pioneer 10 & 11
Well I don't understand it well enough to explain it, but here's the link: http://renshaw.teleinc.com/papers/pionee2/pionee2.stm
Actually I don't understand any of it, but I can tell when something is true.
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Re: Explanation of Anomalous Doppler Obs. in Pioneer 10 & 11
Hmm, alternately, Thornhill provides the following proposed explanations:
(A Mystery Solved - Welcome to the Electric Universe!)
http://www.holoscience.com/news/mystery_solved.html
(Voyager 1 at the Edge – of what?)
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=0yfteeje
(Voyager Probes the Sun's Electrical Environment)
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=55fx8yeh
So, which is it? "Physics is wrong and needs to be rewritten?" "Physics is right, and they've just been using the wrong part," or rather not factoring in things that they should have? Or something in between? Chuck Einstein's relativity (Singularities like black holes were supposed to invalidate it, according to Einstein! Miller's aether drift experiments and even Michelson / Morely's may have shown a positive result if interpreted correctly, which would likely invalidate GR [or was it SR?], again according to Einstein!) AND correctly apply ALL tools at our disposal INCLUDING the frowned upon "e-word?"
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(A Mystery Solved - Welcome to the Electric Universe!)
http://www.holoscience.com/news/mystery_solved.html
(Voyager 1 at the Edge – of what?)
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=0yfteeje
(Voyager Probes the Sun's Electrical Environment)
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=55fx8yeh
So, which is it? "Physics is wrong and needs to be rewritten?" "Physics is right, and they've just been using the wrong part," or rather not factoring in things that they should have? Or something in between? Chuck Einstein's relativity (Singularities like black holes were supposed to invalidate it, according to Einstein! Miller's aether drift experiments and even Michelson / Morely's may have shown a positive result if interpreted correctly, which would likely invalidate GR [or was it SR?], again according to Einstein!) AND correctly apply ALL tools at our disposal INCLUDING the frowned upon "e-word?"
Cheers,
~Michael Gmirkin
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Re: Explanation of Anomalous Doppler Obs. in Pioneer 10 & 11
Who's Chuck Einstein?
(he asked, innocently)
(he asked, innocently)
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Re: Explanation of Anomalous Doppler Obs. in Pioneer 10 & 11
arc-us wrote:Who's Chuck Einstein?
(he asked, innocently)
*Rimshot*Osmosis wrote:Al's cousin?
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Re: Explanation of Anomalous Doppler Obs. in Pioneer 10 & 11
Chuck Einstein is what happens when you try to consume too much Einstein in a single sitting!arc-us wrote:Who's Chuck Einstein?
(he asked, innocently)
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Re: Explanation of Anomalous Doppler Obs. in Pioneer 10 & 11
Carl Smith wrote:Chuck Einstein is what happens when you try to consume too much Einstein in a single sitting!arc-us wrote:Who's Chuck Einstein?
(he asked, innocently)
There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. [---][/---] Maitri Upanishad
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Re: Explanation of Anomalous Doppler Obs. in Pioneer 10 & 11
Ralph Sansbury's summary on Doppler calculations for Pioneer 10/11:
http://mysite.verizon.net/r9ns/spacecraftdoppler.doc
http://mysite.verizon.net/r9ns/spacecraftdoppler.doc
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