Electric Sun

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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby Tina » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:46 pm

Just posting link to November 2009 article on confirmation of "solar tsunamis'"

The technical name is "fast-mode magnetohydrodynamical wave"—or "MHD wave" for short.

Years ago, when solar physicists first witnessed a towering wave of hot plasma racing along the sun's surface, they doubted their senses. The scale of the thing was staggering. It rose up higher than Earth itself and rippled out from a central point in a circular pattern millions of kilometers in circumference. Skeptical observers suggested it might be a shadow of some kind—a trick of the eye—but surely not a real wave.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009 ... sunami.htm
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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby allynh » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:16 am

Shadows on the Sun. That's a great title.

That's what's so scary about all this: their dogma would not allow them to see what was really happening. It's only been in the past ten years that a few probes are finally in place to record reality.

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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby Tina » Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:44 pm

allynh wrote:Shadows on the Sun. That's a great title.

Yes great ironic title :idea: to match the irony of the whole situation.
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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby allynh » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:14 am

Here is another example to add to the list.

A Twist in the Ring of Centaurus A
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2009/ ... 2twist.htm

Based on the model, this too should have a large cosmic ray source above and below, along the axis.

Plus, based on the article, all the rings that tie into the z-pinch should have this flip up and down segment in the ring. We need to look for that as well.
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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby jjohnson » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:41 pm

See this(aka NGC 5128) in other wavelengths at NRAO and Chandra websites, specifically


There are radio lobes right and left, and radio jets with X ray components in the usual polar jet morphology (stronger north, it looks like). I'm not sure about cosmic ray 'images' but it seems plenty energetic in the short wavelengths to me! There are Hubble optical and near-IR images as well.

I wonder if this galaxy would look somewhat like Hoag's Object (prototypical ring galaxy) if viewed axially, with prominent star formation in the toroidal ring. Also see today's APOD (3 Dec 09) for a polar ring galaxy, NGC 660, which has a large ring orbiting "nearly perpendicular" (actually about 45 degrees) to the galaxy's ecliptic. Unusual, and it looks similarly warped at opposing ends.
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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby allynh » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:50 am

cena_420 small.jpg

The caption reads:

Centaurus A: Black Hole Outflows From Centaurus A

This image of Centaurus A shows a spectacular new view of a supermassive black hole's power. Jets and lobes powered by the central black hole in this nearby galaxy are shown by submillimeter data (colored orange) from the Atacama Pathfinder Experiment (APEX) telescope in Chile and X-ray data (colored blue) from the Chandra X-ray Observatory. Visible light data from the Wide Field Imager on the Max-Planck/ESO 2.2 m telescope, also located in Chile, shows the dust lane in the galaxy and background stars. The X-ray jet in the upper left extends for about 13,000 light years away from the black hole. The APEX data shows that material in the jet is travelling at about half the speed of light.

Ignore the black hole part, and tell me if I'm seeing this right. How well does that image match up with this:
Solar Environment small.jpg

Do the jets? lobes? along the "central z-pinch" look like the "cosmic ray electrons" where the "double layer" sits above and below.

Then does it look like the rings are at the "z-pinch filament".

I wonder if the flip up and down of the ring edge occurs in a specific direction of the current flow, and if the flip occurs at the same place or does the whole thing rotate as well.

I haven't seen what direction the current flows on the diagram, unless the arrow showing "interstellar magnetic field" is the direction of flow.

So many questions, so few diagrams to help me "see" this stuff. I would love to have a Mathematica interactive model that we could just snap these various images into and see how they fit. (Note to self: Don't be so cheap, just go ahead and buy Mathematica. Grumble, grumble...)
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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby allynh » Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:06 am

Polar Ring Galaxy NGC 660
NGC660Hagar0_c900 small.jpg

Polar Ring Galaxy NGC 4650A

I have no clue how to break these images out, but I think you are right about them as well.
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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby allynh » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:38 am

We need to understand how this fits in the model.

The picture is from:

Faster Than Light: Part Two
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2009/ ... light2.htm

Images like this "show" only part of what is really there. Just as I can't "see" what is going on with the EU model from a written description, I also can't "see" all that is going on with these ring galaxies by just visible light.

Task: Build models, and fit images like this into them, so that we can then predict what could be found at other wavelengths of light.
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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby luciferous » Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:46 am

Electric Sun on Earth:

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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby mharratsc » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:52 pm

allynh wrote:
redeye wrote:The ring is outside Saturn's magnetosphere.

If that is the case, then, Wow! I'm beginning to "see" this a bit clearer here.

- If the new ring of Saturn is that "ring of pearls" of a planetary z-pinch then we know the axis angle of the Saturn z-pinch. Whoa!

Based on Thornhill's article there should be points above and below that axis that "may be a source of high energy particles". Look at those two points in the picture, "Double Layer (cosmic ray particles?)" to see what I mean.
Solar Environment small.jpg

- So, based on the diagram, Saturn may have two high energy points, one above, one below, between 5m to 8m miles along the z-pinch axis.

What I can "see" so far:

Each planet is inside a magnetopause(plasma ball)

that is in the middle of a planetary z-pinch, that has a ring where the z-pinch contacts the plasma flowing from the magnetopause
Stellar Z-pinch small.jpg

with possibly high energy sources above and below the axis where a double layer forms.

- That means we need to look for a ring, and those high energy sources, to find the axis of each planets magnetopause(plasma ball).

Now, what I need pinned down, is how this
Planetary Nebula small.jpg

fits inside this.

And how those twisted pairs would look inside this.

See, it all comes back to the novelty plasma ball. If you haven't bought one yet, do so. They provide endless hours of fascination.

I see it this way- imagine the ring of dots around Hoag's Object, they are akin to the copper electrodes in the DPF device in this animation. The way I understand it- pairs of Birkland currents make more pairs... you have pairs of pairs going on... and also you start to generate the plasma instabilities are the EM field starts to take shape around the thing.

Basically, I think most celestial objects- from stellar systems to galaxies- are simply various size and various age dense plasma foci. o.O


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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby allynh » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:27 pm

Awesome! Now that is close to what I'm talking about.

About halfway through, from 00:26 to 00:34, is similar to the way the animation in the _Alien Sky_ DVD looks.

There has to be a way to have that process in an animation, then be able to fit actual NASA photos in to show that the EU stuff really does match reality.

Look at the Mathematica site and see what they can do. They have a free Mathematica Player at:

Mathematica Player 7

Saturn's Disappearing Rings
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/Satur ... ringRings/

Saturn's Rings and the Cantor Set
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/Satur ... CantorSet/

Red Giant Stars and the Death of the Sun
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/RedGi ... hOfTheSun/

Colliding Galaxies

Contact Binary Star Envelopes
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/Conta ... Envelopes/

Radius and Temperature of Main Sequence Stars
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/Radiu ... enceStars/

Orbital Wobble


Comet Moving about the Sun
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/Comet ... outTheSun/

A Simplified Model for the Big Bang
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/ASimp ... heBigBang/

Flight through a Star Cluster
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/Fligh ... arCluster/

The Future Solar System

Think Big, Really Big!

View of Our Solar System

The Drake Equation

Comet Tails

Solar and Lunar Eclipses
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/Solar ... rEclipses/

Earth's Second Moon

Bump Map of Mars

This is the main site:

Methematica 7

They have example files that you can download:

Wolfram Demonstrations Project

Here are some links to sections I pulled stuff from:

High School Astronomy
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/educa ... y&limit=20

http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/topic ... s&limit=20

I need to go ahead and buy Mathematica to play with it, once I've played with some of the new graphics software I found. I've downloaded various CGI software to animate in the past few days.

The base system of Vue 8 Pioneer is free.

They often offer personal learning editions for free, with water marks.

Vue 8 Personal Learning Edition.

The base system for DAZ Studio 3D is free.

I bought Bryce 6 a few days ago while it was on sale.

The software available is powerful, often free or low price, compared to what was available ten years ago. There is no reason for the EU guys to not start generating Mathematica models and other videos using the latest software.

These are tools that not only help people "see" what the EU guys are talking about, but will help predict what will be found over the next decade.
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"Planet" hotter than its Sun

Unread postby FS3 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:15 am

Reexamining old Kepler data, postdoctoral student Jason Rowe found a very curious phenomenon: An orbiting object seems to be hotter than its central star!

An almost unexplainable mystery for the standard cosmological model - but not necessarily so for the Electric Universe.

From DiscoveryNews:

...When an object passed behind its central star, the light from the system dropped significantly. This means the object -- called KOI 74b -- must be glowing fiercely with its own light that was blocked out when the object was eclipsed.

That’s the story from this week's American Astronomical Society meeting in Washington D.C. where astronomers reported that NASA's Kepler planet-hunting observatory has found two normal stars orbited by objects that are too blistering hot to be planets but too small to be stars.

So what are they? It's anybody's guess. They're simply called "objects of interest" by the Kepler team.

In fact calculations show that the mystery object is hotter than the parent star. It is seething at 70,000 degrees Fahrenheit while the parent star is 17,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The strange object can’t be a star because the transit data show that it is no bigger than Jupiter. It is so close to the central star it completes an orbit in 23 days...

...If that isn't weird enough, a super-hot Neptune-sized companion called KOI 81b was found orbiting another star with a 5.2-day orbital period...

"...two normal stars orbited by objects that are too blistering hot to be planets but too small to be stars..."

Be sure for not missing those reallyr creative "explanations" for the unexplainable, provided in the article above...

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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby mharratsc » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:27 am

I also seem to remember that in visible light binary stars will have the primary much brighter than the orbital companion... but when view in x-rays, the primary is but a dim smudge in the energy output of the companion!

Explainable via the Electric Sun model and EU...mmmmnot so much via Mainstreamist religious texts! ;)

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Re: Electric Sun

Unread postby junglelord » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:34 am

I still say the physics of Phase Conjugation are very clearly laidout in this diagram from the EU itself. That is clearly a four wave mixer.

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