Space Bubble

[GaryN]

Another mystery object, and fully electromagnetic in my view. The shock front does not seem to be expanding, it is increasing in emissions at many wavelengths, including gamma rays.
This is an example of one of the fully EM building blocks of an EM universe.

SN 1987a



(There must be a more up to date one somewhere.)

Can a fully EM device create matter?

Because of momentum conservation laws, the creation of a pair of fermions (matter particles) out of a single photon cannot occur. However, matter creation is allowed by these laws when in the presence of another particle (another photon or other boson, or even a fermion) which can share the primary photon's momentum. Thus, matter can be created out of two photons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_creation

Hey mod, how come this keeps posting in the upper boards? Did I get a promotion?

[nick c]

Since planetary nebula usually have a pinched cylinder (hour glass) shape, I would assume that the circular appearance is explained by its' being exactly lined up with respect to the Earth, such that we are looking down the "barrel?"
Is that a fair assumption?

nick c

[Anaconda]

Hi nick c:

Since planetary nebula usually have a pinched cylinder (hour glass) shape, I would assume that the circular appearance is explained by its' being exactly lined up with respect to the Earth, such that we are looking down the "barrel?"
Is that a fair assumption?

nick c

That certainly could be possible, it is after all very faint.

Or could it be akin to ball lightning at a larger scale?

There seems to be some thinking that a blue star could be at the center and could it be that somehow the star's heliopause is visible for some unknown reason? Although, the thinking is that the star's heliopause would be more tear drop shaped because of the insterstellar Birkeland currents?

nick c, your suggestion that the angle of observation could be dictating the image does seem likely.

[GaryN]

solrey said:

I think they're guessing at the distance. It might not be nearly as far away as they think.

Well, there is part of the problem already. The uncertainty of scale and distance means I can only look for what appear to be shapes that I interpret as having EM origins.

nick posted:

Since planetary nebula usually have a pinched cylinder (hour glass) shape, I would assume that the circular appearance is explained by its' being exactly lined up with respect to the Earth, such that we are looking down the "barrel?"
Is that a fair assumption?

What I see here is, with Abell 39 you are looking at a monopolar field, around the EM 'engine' that is similar in shape to the core of sn1987a, at the center of the shell. We would have to zoom a long way into Abell to see the detail of the central object.

There seem to be many objects, regardless of size, that look like cyclotrons, at certain frequencies. And therein lies another problem. We have what I call the CGA view of the universe, where are my 17 million 'colors'?

[mharratsc]

Nick said:

Since planetary nebula usually have a pinched cylinder (hour glass) shape, I would assume that the circular appearance is explained by its' being exactly lined up with respect to the Earth, such that we are looking down the "barrel?"
Is that a fair assumption?

I think it's as good as any, especially considering I'm really on the fringe of what's going on with this wierd little guy.

However, one of the things that's sorta been bothering me is what appeared to be a bit of an enigma regarding globular galaxy clusters against the understanding of "EM effects being scalar at all magnitudes"- how did you get a globular (spherical) galaxy cluster when just about everything else ends up being some form of barred spiral something??

Now we have this planetary nebula, or possibly proto-star, and it is a big soap bubble. Is there a connection?

Mike H.

[GaryN]

Hi Mike, it depends again on how the globular clusters are viewed.

M87
Visible


3 'color' composite.


And how do we know, if we zoomed out and out and out, there might not be a bubble around it all, that is just too big and rarified for us to detect?

[nick c]

Mike,

However, one of the things that's sorta been bothering me is what appeared to be a bit of an enigma regarding globular galaxy clusters against the understanding of "EM effects being scalar at all magnitudes"- how did you get a globular (spherical) galaxy cluster when just about everything else ends up being some form of barred spiral something??

As for globular clusters, think "ball lightning."

And as for the spherical form of globular clusters, the cosmic electricians suggest that the best analogy may come from something as unfamiliar to astronomers as ball lightning.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... luster.htm

nick c

[GaryN]

Put me back downstairs if you like, but I have to call BS on the whole view of standard science about the formation and function of these stellar nursuries. Hydrogen is put out by the stars, not sqeezed in. Production levels will vary according to the individual properties (energy dissipation, frequency), of the stars.



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 110018.htm