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Recovered: Transmutation on Stars, Planets etc

Unread postby bboyer » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:26 pm

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: Transmutation on Stars, Planets etc Reply with quote
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IRON STARS, SULPHUR MOONS etc

- Kervran himself found that superheated nitrogen, N2, transmutes in the body into carbon-monoxide, CO. A wood stove in a room can heat the air next to the red-hot pipe enough to give people in the room headaches. He found that this is from the nitrogen converting into carbon-monoxide. It's not from carbon-monoxide from the smoke ordinarily. The same happens to welders. If they don't get enough ventilation, the hot nitrogen converts to carbon-monoxide in their bodies. How it happens isn't clear, but it seems to be well substantiated that that's what does happen. It's likely that the conversion occurs somewhere in the body. Whether electrical energy is involved isn't known yet. As Kervran showed in his book, N:N converts into C:O; so one of the nitrogen atoms takes a proton and one neutron from the other. N:N=>C:O = 7:14::7:14 => 6:12::8:16; 7-1=6; 7+1=8; 14-2=12; 14+2=16. The other transmutations below mostly involve adding or subtracting one atom to or from another to make a third one.
LIST OF TRANSMUTATION FORMULAE
- I'll start with this list and later try to discuss solar system examples of evidence of possible transmutation.
- From Louis Kervran's book, Biological Transmutations, I obtained a lot of info on transmutations that seem to be common on Earth in mostly biological systems, but also in non-biological ones.
- Many of the following combinations of elements were found by Kervran to be probably real transmutation formulae. The rest show mathematically possible combinations. The atomic numbers and atomic masses have to add up on both sides of the equations as shown in the second more detailed list below. For example, Be.4:9 = Na-N(11-7,23-14); Be 4:9 = Na 11:23 - N 7:14; 11-7=4, 23-14=9.

1st column: Elements with their atomic numbers and atomic masses
El p p+n - Transmutation Combinations
___________________________
H__1:1 = ++ 2nd column: Combinations without H, Li, or He
He_2:4 = ++ ____________ 3rd column:
Li_3:7 = F-C ++ ________ Combinations with H, Li, or He (below)
Be_4:9 = Na-N ++ ______________________________________
B__5:11 = Na-C __________* C-H, Li+He
C__6:12 = N+N-O, Cl-Na, Si-O Ca-Si, P-F * B+H, O-He
N__7:14 = C+O/2, Na-Be
O__8:16 = 2N-C __________* Na-Li, C+He
F__9:19 = Cl-O, Co-Ar ___* Ne-H, C+Li, Na-He
Ne_10:20 = ______________* F+H, Al-Li, Mg-He
Na_11:23 = N+Be, C+B ____* Mg-H, O+Li, Cl'-2Li, F+He, Al-He
Mg_12:24 = Ca-O, C+C ____* Na+H, P-Li, Ne+He, Si-He
Al_13:27 = O+B __________* Si-H, Ne+Li, Na+He, P-He
Si_14:28 = Ca-C, C+O ____* Al+H, Mg+He, S-He
P__15:31 = F+C, Ne+B ____* S-H, Mg+Li, Al+He, Cl-He
S__16:32 = O+O, Ne+C ___* P+H, K-Li, Si+He
Cl_17:35 = Na+C, F+O, Mg+B * Si+Li, P+He, K-He
Cl'17:37 = ______________* Na+2Li, V-2Li
Ar_18:40 = Co-F, Cr-C, V-B
K__19:39 = Na+O _________* Ca-H, S+Li, Cl+He
Ca_20:40 = Si+C, Mg+O ___* K+H
Sc_21:45 = Na+2B ________* Cr-Li, P+2Li, Mg+3Li
T__22:48 = Cl+B _________* Mn-Li, Cr-He
V__23:51 = Ar+B _________* Cr-H, Cl+2Li, Mn-He
Cr_24:52 = Ar+C _________* V+H, Sc+Li, Co-Li, Mg+4Li, T+He, Fe-He
Mn_25:55 = Cl+2Be _______* Fe-H, T+Li, V+He, Co-He
Fe_26:56 = Sc+B _________* Si+4Li, Cl+3Li, Cr+He
Fe'26:54 = ______________* 2Si-2H, Ni-He
Co_27:59 = Ar+F, T+B ____* Cr+Li, Sc+2Li, Mn+H3, Cu-He
Ni_28:58 = Ca+2Be
Ni'28:62 = ______________* Cu = H, Mn+Li, Ga-Li, Zn-He
Cu_29:63 = V+C, Sc+2Be __* Fe+Li, Co+He
Cu'29:65 = ______________* V+2Li, Ga-He
Zn_30:64 = Cr+C
Zn'30:66 = T+2Be, Mn+B __* Cu+H, Co+Li, Cr+2Li, Ni+He
Ga_31:69 = V+2Be ________* Mn+2Li, Cu+He
Ga'31:71 = ______________* Ge-H, As-He
Ge_32:72 = ______________* Ga+H, Cu+Li, V+3Li
Ge'32:73 __________
As_33:75 = ______________* Ga+He, Br-He
Se_34:78 = ______________* Ga+Li
Se'34:80 __________
Br_35:79 = ______________* Se+H, Ge+Li, Cu+2Li, As+He
Br'35:81 = ______________* Se+H, Ru-He
Kr_36:83+ =
Ru_37:85+ = _____________* Ga+2Li, Br+He

Combinations showing atomic numbers and mass numbers on both sides of the equations

H__1:1 = ++
He_2:4 = ++
Li_3:7 = F-C(9-6,19-12) ++
Be_4:9 = Na-N(23-14,11-7) ++
B__5:11 = Na-C(11-6,23-12) ________________*__ C-H(6-1,12-1) Li+He(3+2,7+4)
C__6:12 = N+N-O(2x7-8,2x14-16) Cl-Na(17-11,35-23) Si-O(14-8,28-16)
___ Ca-Si(20-14,40-28) P-F(15-9,31-19) _______*__ B+H(5+1,11+1) O-He(8-2,16-4)
N__7:14 = C+O/2((6+8)/2,(12+16)/2) Na-Be(11-4,23-9)
O__8:16 = 2N-C(2x7-6,2x14-12) _____________*__ Na-Li(11-3,23-7) C+He(6+2,12-4)
F__9:19 = Cl-O(17-8,35-16) Co-Ar(27-18,59-40) *__ Ne-H(10-1,20-1) C+Li(6+3,12+7) Na-He(11-2,23-4)
Ne_10:20 = ______________________________*__ F+H(9+1,19+1) Al-Li(13-3,27-7) Mg-He(12-2,24-4)
Na_11:23 = N+Be(7+4,14+9) C+B(6+5,12+11) *__ Mg-H(12-1,24-1) O+Li(8+3,16+7) Cl'-2Li(17-3-3,37-7-7) F+He(9+2,19+4) Al-He(13-2,27-4)
Mg_12:24 = Ca-O(20-8,40-16) C+C(6+6,12+12) *__ Na+H(11+1 P-Li(15-3,31-7) Ne+He(10+2,20+4) Si-He(14-2,28-4)
Al_13:27 = O+B(8+5,16+11) _______________*__ Si-H(14-1,28-1) Ne+Li(10+3,20+7) Na+He(11+2,23+4) P-He(15-2,31-4)
Si_14:28 = Ca-C(20-6,40-12) C+O(6+8,12+18) *__ Al+H(13+1,27+1) Mg+He(12+2,24+4) S-He(16-2,32-4)
P__15:31 = F+C(9+6,19+12) Ne+B(10+5,20+11) *__ S-H(16-1,32-1) Mg+Li(12+3,24+7) Al+He(13+2,27+4) Cl-He(17-2,35-4)
S__16:32 = O+O(8+8,16+16) Ne+C(10+6,20+12) *__ P+H(15+1,31+1) K-Li(19-3,39-7) Si+He(14+2,28+4)
Cl_17:35 = Na+C(11+6,23+12) F+O(9+8,19+16) Mg+B(12+5,24+11) *__ Si+Li(14+3,28+7) P+He(15+2,31+4) K-He(19-2,39-4)
Cl'17:37 = _______________________________*__ Na+2Li(11+2x3,23+7+7) V-2Li(23-2x3,51-7-7)
Ar_18:40 = Co-F(27-9,59-19) Cr-C(24-6,52-12) V-B(23-5,51-11)
K__19:39 = Na+O(11+8,23+16) _____________*__ Ca-H(20-1,40-1) S+Li(16+3,32+7) Cl+He(17+2,35+4)
Ca_20:40 = Si+C(14+6,28+12) Mg+O(12+8,24+16) *__ K+H(19+1,39+1)
Sc_21:45 = Na+2B(11+2x5,23+11+11) _______*__ Cr-Li(24-3,52-7) P+2Li(15+2x3,31+7+7) Mg+3Li(12+3x3,24+3x7)
T__22:48 = Cl+B(17+5,37+11) ______________*__ Mn-Li(25-3,55-7) Cr-He(24-2,52-4)
V__23:51 = Ar+B(18+5,40+11) ______________*__ Cr-H(24-1,52-1) Cl+2Li(17+2x3,37+7+7) Mn-He(25-2,55-4)
Cr_24:52 = Ar+C(18+6,40+12) ______________*__ V+H(23+1,51+1) Sc+Li(21+3,45+7)
Co-Li(27-3,59-7) ___________________________*__ Mg+4Li(12+4x3,24+4x7) T+He(22+2,48+4) Fe-He(26-2,56-4)
Mn_25:55 = Cl+2Be(17+2x4,37+9+9) _________*__ Fe-H(26-1,56-1) T+Li(22+3,48+7) V+He(23+2,51+4) Co-He(27-2,59-4)
Fe_26:56 = Sc+B(21+5,45+11) ______________*__ Si+4Li(14+4x3,28+4x7) Cl+3Li(17+3x3,35+3x7) Cr+He(24+2,52+4)
Fe'26:54 = _______________________________*__ 2Si-2H(2x14-1-1,2x28-1-1) Ni-He(28-2,62-4)
Co_27:59 = Ar+F(18+9,40+19) T+B(22+5,48+11) *__ Cr+Li(24+3,52+7) Sc+2Li(21+2x3,45+7+7) Mn+H3(25+2,55+4) Cu-He(29-2,63-4)
Ni_28:58 = Ca+2Be(20+2x4,40+9+9)
Ni'28:62 = _______________________________*__ Cu=H(29-1,63-1) Mn+Li(25+3,55+7) Ga-Li(31-3,69-7) Zn-He(30-2,66-4)
Cu_29:63 = V+C(23+6,51+12) Sc+2Be(21+2x4,45+9+9) *__ Fe+Li(26+3,56+7) Co+He(27+2,59+4)
Cu'29:65 = ______________________________*__ V+2Li(23+2x3,51+7+7) Ga-He(31-2,69-4)
Zn_30:64 = Cr+C(24+6,52+12)
Zn'30:66 = T+2Be(22+2x4,48+9+9) Mn+B(25+5,55+11) *__ Cu+H(29+1,65+1) Co+Li(27+3,59+7) Cr+2Li(24+2x3,52+7+7) Ni+He(28+2,62+4)
Ga_31:69 = V+2Be(23+2x4,51+9+9) _________*__ Mn+2Li(25+2x3,55+7+7) Cu+He(29+2,65+4)
Ga'31:71 = ______________________________*__ Ge-H(32-1,72-1) As-He(33-2,75-4)
Ge_32:72 = ______________________________*__ Ga+H(31+1,71+1) Cu+Li(29+3,65+7) V+3Li(23+3x3,51+3x7)
Ge'32:73 __________
As_33:75 = ______________________________*__ Ga+He(31+2,71+4) Br-He(35-2,79-4)
Se_34:78 = ______________________________*__ Ga+Li(31+3,71+7)
Se'34:80 __________
Br_35:79 = ______________________________*__ Se+H(34+1,78+1) Ge+Li(32+3,72+7) Cu+2Li(29+2x3,65+7+7) As+He(33+2,75+4)
Br'35:81 = _______________________________*__ Se+H(34+1,80+1) Ru-He(37-2,85-4)
Kr_36:83+ =
Ru_37:85+ = _____________________________*__ Ga+2Li(31+2x3,69+7+7) Br+He(35+2,81+4)

I think the list can go further, but I think I lost the rest of what I once had.

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Re: Recovered: Transmutation on Stars, Planets etc

Unread postby bboyer » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:26 pm

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
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SULPHUR & IRON
- In the iron sun thread there was discussion lately of the sulphur that is found on the sun. Mozina and Upriver seem to be agreed that the surface of the sun below the photosphere is iron, possibly molten or semi-molten on the surface, much like Birkeland's terella experiment with an iron globe subjected to electrical discharges. Mozina was also mentioning sulphur found on the surface, which he speculated was volcanic, like on Earth. The transmutation list above shows what element combinations are likely sources of each element up to Rubidium, element #37.
- Electrical discharges of low power may be able to produce some transmutations, but those of greater power seem to be able to produce many more transmutations, maybe producing all of the elements. Radioactive elements are able to produce many elements via fissioning. And the electrical stress of the environment may determine which elements are radioactive. In other words, elements that are now radioactive on Earth in its current electrical environment may once have been stable in a different environment.
SULPHUR
- Referring to the list above, you can see that sulphur can come from 2 oxygen atoms. Oxygen can come from nitrogen or sodium or carbon plus helium. Since all atoms probably started out small, we should look for what smaller atoms each atom came from, which should eventually lead to hydrogen. So nitrogen can come from carbon and oxygen; or carbon from boron plus hydrogen; boron from lithium plus helium.
- We're stuck there. The list doesn't show how to get from helium back to hydrogen by this normal transmutation route. But, as I think Millennium said recently, hydrogen can be compressed into a neutron, so 6 atoms of hydrogen could yield one helium by having 4 hydrogens form neutrons. Maybe someone can give the conventional explanation of fusion of helium from hydrogen.
- To recap for sulphur, we have S < O+O, O < C+He, C < B+H, B < Li+He, Li < 2He-H-n, He < 2H+4n, n < H [The symbol < means "comes from"].
IRON
- The route for iron is: Fe < Si+4Li or Cl+3Li, Si < C+O, Cl < Na or F or Mg or Si etc. Silicon seems to be the most common route, and we already have the route for its progenitors, C and O, from the sulphur route.
- I believe Thornhill has stated his theory that the sulphur on Io and Europa came from oxygen from the ice of those moons of Jupiter. Ice is water, H2O < 2H+O [via normal chemistry, not transmutation]. On the sun I think the sulphur is likely to come from electrical transmutation of rather than from Earth-like vulcanism. If there's not enough oxygen or water on the sun to produce sulphur, it could come from carbon and helium, the carbon again from boron and boron from lithium as above.
- The photosphere of the sun rotates at different rates at different latitudes. I think the equator rotates at about 24 days per rotation, much faster than higher latitudes rotate, taking about 35 days or so near the poles I think. If the sun's surface below the photosphere is solid iron, the whole surface must all rotate at the same number of days per rotation. There could be volcanoes on a solid surface, but how would sulphur come up from a volcano made of iron? If the sun's surface is molten iron, then volcanoes might be unlikely. I'm thinking there may be sulphur-spewing geysers there like on Io. The geysers on Io are said to move many miles after a number of months or years.
- Anyway, these transmutation formulae can be used to determine also what material was electrically-formed into iron pipes on Earth etc.
- I noted elsewhere that some comets contain sulphur. Perhaps sulphur is the best clue for transmutation via electrical discharges.
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Re: Recovered: Transmutation on Stars, Planets etc

Unread postby bboyer » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:27 pm

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This is from Wikipedia. Is it correct? What about ion abundances?
Photospheric composition (by mass)
Hydrogen - 73.46 %[73]
Helium__ - 24.85 %
Oxygen__ - 0.77 %
Carbon__ - 0.29 %
Iron_____ - 0.16 %
Sulfur____ - 0.12 %
Neon_____ - 0.12 %
Nitrogen__ - 0.09 %
Silicon____ - 0.07 %
Magnesium - 0.05 %
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Re: Recovered: Transmutation on Stars, Planets etc

Unread postby bboyer » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:33 pm

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TRANSMUTATION LINKS ON THIS SITE

For more discussion of transmutation, you'll find the word transmute or transmutation on each of these webpages, if you're careful.
SUN - ions of iron produced by electrical discharge transmutation in the photosphere - <old forum link no longer valid>
STARS - Mira: A Star with a Comet's Tail - there is theoretical elemental transmutation going on in stars - <old forum link no longer valid>
STARS - EU explanation for stellar "main sequence"? - All spectrograms are reading is the surface transmutation of elements - <old forum link no longer valid>
<old forum link no longer valid>
PLANETS - Venus & Earth - ability to transmute - <old forum link no longer valid>
PLANETS - Mars in Miniature - Could the same electric arcs that are thought to have carved the Red Planet transmute elements - reforming the atomic structure of silicon? - http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/ ... iature.htm
PLANETS: MARS - TPOD / Transmutation - electric discharges on Mars could have transmuted silicon into iron and reformed silicon dioxide rock layers into the vast fields of hematite spherules - <old forum link no longer valid>
PLANETS: MARS - 150m wide "black hole" found on Mars - 'Dalmatian Spots' of Mars" ... Elemental transmutation - <old forum link no longer valid>
PLANETS - Sulfurous Mars - electric discharges on Mars could have transmuted silicon into iron and reformed silicon dioxide rock layers
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/ ... usmars.htm
MOONS - Electrical Rilles of Europa [and Europa’s neighbor Io] http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... rilles.htm
MOONS - Expanding Planets? - Europa ... produced by a transmutation of elements - <old forum link no longer valid>
<old forum link no longer valid>
MOONS - Expanding Planets? - sulfur produced by a transmutation - <old forum link no longer valid>
MOONS - Titan's Strange Atmosphere - interactions will exchange and transmute material
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/ ... sphere.htm
MOONS - Titan's Strange Atmosphere - neutrons may be captured and change isotopic ratios or generate radioactive species and in that process transmute elements in the ejected material - http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... sphere.htm
MOONS - Titan - The Enigma (2) - Subsequent electrical interactions between planets and moons would serve to transfer surface materials and atmospheres, transmute elements etc - http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/ ... itan-2.htm
MOONS - Titan Tells Strange Tales - strong electric field in an ejection event can accelerate charged particles and transmute elements. For example, nitrogen-14 - <old forum link no longer valid>

EARTH
- Libya's Kebira Crater - highly energetic electric discharge transmutes elements
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... kebira.htm
- Libya's Kebira Crater - transmuting oxygen from water ice into sulfur
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/ ... crater.htm
- China's Mysterious Iron Pipes - These "tubes" of electricity may have left behind the mark of their passing by transmuting the silicon dioxide of Mt. Baigong (and the Navajo sandstone) - thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch07/071109chinapipes.htm
- China's Mysterious Iron Pipes - I can see how rotating electric currents might transmute elements — or, at least, minerals - <old forum link no longer valid>
- Electric fossilization - energetic discharges of sufficient size can transmute elements -
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- Electric fossilization - energetic discharges of sufficient size can transmute elements ... mesas of the American Southwest - <old forum link no longer valid>
- Dinosaur size problem - possible process by which radioactivity within the Earth can transmute one element to another more bulky element? - <old forum link no longer valid>
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Re: Recovered: Transmutation on Stars, Planets etc

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- The neutrino expansion idea is interesting except for the 200 million years figure. I doubt if the Earth is more than a few ten thousand years old, just as Venus is likely less than ten thousand years old. The Earth and other bodies likely expand rather rapidly, not gradually. Charles Cagle has a somewhat similar theory. He says neutrons, not neutrinos, form within bodies, causing the expansions, which are rapid and periodic.
- The guesses about millions of years figures seem to be based on uniformitarian assumptions. Robert Gentry has a website that has excellent evidence that Earth's basement granite rock crystallized almost instantly instead of over millions or billions of years.
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Re: Recovered: Transmutation on Stars, Planets etc

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LK,

I meant to mention the other day when you and Stephen posted that list of elemental questions, that we might want to add:

What is the Nutrino Sea?


All the Aether - hyperDimensional theorists seem eventually to allude to it, if not swim in it.

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- Thornhill considers the aether to be a neutrino sea, but he doesn't accept concepts of hyper-dimensions. We've had occasional discussions on the forum last year about the neutrino sea and the aether. Do you want to revive any such discussions? It might be productive.
- By the way, here are links to Gentry's material, which show that basement granite rock crystallized almost instantly: http://www.halos.com/reports/index.htm http://www.halos.com/reports/ex-nihilo- ... eation.htm

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- Venus figurines might show an age by conventional dating methods of 75,000 years or more as you say, but our EU theorists don't accept conventional dating methods, as they're based on uniformitarian assumptions of gradual change and of constant decay rates for radioactive elements under all conditions. EU proponents theorize that electrical conditions can greatly change the decay rates.
- I said Earth is likely a few tens of thousands of years old, not ten thousand, if I was unclear.
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I don't understand the need or desire to estimate the age of the earth so young. Saying the earth is younger then 100,000 years is going to be taken on the very best day as a naive fundamentalist stance and the scoffing will haunt EU theory like an albatross until the suns circuit overloads and erases humanity from this particular reality.

I do not see why the earth could not be many billions of years old with virtually no impact on EU concepts and principals...

Granted that the effects of the EU may play havoc with age dating technologies, fossilization, sediment layering and so forth ...however that is no reason to paint ourselves into a precarious corner ...

Especially when so much information is coming out that is so damaging to the mainstream consensus in favor of EU.
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I have to second that. The universe is quite possibly constant.
The earth is at least 4 billion years old as far as I can see from science.
The EU takes this dating process I believe. Correct me if I am wrong on the EU theory.
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Re: Recovered: Transmutation on Stars, Planets etc

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By what method do we arrive at such a date?
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Modern Science I believe. 4.5 billion years old
What age do you give it plasmatic?
Or were you asking Ik?
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Re: Recovered: Transmutation on Stars, Planets etc

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This talk of neutrinos converting to electrons reminded me of Carl Frederick Krafft and his ether vortex (or "vortex ring") atomic theory.

Anyone here have an opinion about Krafft?

His self-published pamphlets are very interesting to someone like me who is NOT a physicist.

His basic building block was a "vortex ring," or neutrino.

Put two neutrinos together in one arrangement, you get an electron.

Reverse the arrangement, you get a proton.

Everything made perfect sense, though, like string theory, I got the feeling that it would be difficult to prove any of his ideas.

Years ago I tried to find a serious critique of his ideas, but could not find any. Mainstream science doesn't comment much on ether theories.

Anyone here have any positive or negative opinions of Krafft's vortex ring theory?
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