Detecting the energy source for the sun

[alextheshortseller]

It seems to me that what the electric star theory is lacking is a definitive demonstration.

In other words, someone needs to set up an experiment that can detect the inflow of energy into the sun.

Anyone ever given any thought to how one could set up such an experiment?

My hypothesis would be that the inflow is not in the form of transverse electromagnetic waves, as these are merely radiations and would not have the ability to carry the needed current undiminished over great distances. If the inflow were in some other form, this would also explain how this could have escaped detection for so long.

[solrey]

From the Wiki entry, of all places, on the Heliospheric Current Sheet:

The electric current in the heliospheric current sheet is directed radially inward, the circuit being closed by outward currents aligned with the Sun's magnetic field in the solar polar regions. The total current in the circuit is on the order of 3×10^9 amperes.[4] As a comparison with other astrophysical electric currents, the Birkeland currents that supply the Earth's aurora are about a thousand times weaker at a million amperes. The maximum current density in the sheet is on the order of 10^-10 A/m² (10^-4 A/km²).

David Sereda, among others, has done some interesting research regarding counter-rotating magnetic fields producing more energy than required to generate them. I believe the sun (actually all bright stars and galactic cores) has counter-rotating, columnated axial magnetic fields, mostly in dark current mode but the more energetic ones can be seen in glow mode (galactic and stellar 'jets'). Note that z-pinch plasmoids emit opposing, axial ion and electron beams. Think of the right-hand rule, pointing your thumb up, then down, depicts opposite field directions. So if Sereda and company are correct, the counter-rotating axial magnetic fields, atomic fusion in the photosphere, driven with a diffuse drift current throughout the heliosphere combined with the more focused HCS is what's powering the Sun.

But that's just me putting pieces together.

[Lloyd]

* I take it that 10^-10 A/m² is a very dark mode current [invisible and almost undetectable], but that the 3×10^9 amperes in the whole circuit is enough to supply all of the sun's observed energy, including its glow mode in the photosphere and corona. Is that what you're saying?
* Now, are those counter-rotating magnetic fields going to supply an abundance of energy for civilization? Or is that a perpetual motion fantasy?

[StevenO]

Nah, the sun is just converting matter to energy like any good old fission proces. It can do that as long as it attracts interstellar matter through its gravitation. It will occasionally supernova, just to start over again.

[Lloyd]

Don't you belong over at BAUT?

[Osmosis]

Gravity? Fission? EEK!

[StevenO]

Don't you belong over at BAUT?

BAUT says it fusion, they don't accept me over there...

[MGmirkin]

driven with a diffuse drift current throughout the heliosphere

That sounds about right, according to Thornhill / Scott. IE, the sun acts as the central anode, the heliosheath acts as the virtual cathode. Double layers concentrate the majority of the voltage drop at those two locations. In between is a region of slow inward spherical drift.Though I understand the circuit tends to be largely equatorial and axial, with conventional currents inflowing at the poles and outflowing at the equator, or looking at it the other way, electron currents inflowing at the equator and outflowing at the poles (I think?)... But, again, the heliosheath acts like a big collector and funnels electrons from space inward toward the sun... The sun's electric field is weak, but extremely large, making for a huge overall electric potential. Weak field over short distance = very little energy added. Weak field over very long distance = very much energy added. If that makes sense...

~Michael

[StevenO]

That sounds about right, according to Thornhill / Scott. IE, the sun acts as the central anode, the heliosheath acts as the virtual cathode. Double layers concentrate the majority of the voltage drop at those two locations. In between is a region of slow inward spherical drift.Though I understand the circuit tends to be largely equatorial and axial, with conventional currents inflowing at the poles and outflowing at the equator, or looking at it the other way, electron currents inflowing at the equator and outflowing at the poles (I think?)... But, again, the heliosheath acts like a big collector and funnels electrons from space inward toward the sun... The sun's electric field is weak, but extremely large, making for a huge overall electric potential. Weak field over short distance = very little energy added. Weak field over very long distance = very much energy added. If that makes sense...

~Michael

I thought there was a thread last year were some calculations from Donald were shown about the number if ions/electrons flowing to the sun and the sun's potential in comparison with the sun's energy output. Can't find the thread anymore but I still remember the sun's potential was estimated to be in the order of 100 GV.

[webolife]

Plug for the RA Smith thread. Smith's "Punctual field" describes/predicts the heliospheric vectors radiating inward toward the sun. Also is the basis for my statement on "that other thread somewhere" that there should be detected a net flow of ions toward the sun's center. Traditional "solar wind" scenarios are just [slightly less than] 1/2 of the story; material converging toward the sun's center should account for the other [slightly more than] 1/2. This should be true regardless of the selected model for "gravitation". StevenO gives voice to a more standard gravitational model, but I agree with his statement that fission, rather than fusion, causes the sun to shine. When you think of the electric star hypothesis and the role of electrical stress in the calving of planets, etc. from stars, fissioning definitely fits better anyway. Standard particle models have failed to explain/confirm either fusion or fission scenarios for the sun.

[webolife]

Sorry, StevenO, I'm sure I misspoke when I suggested you represent a traditional gravitational model.
Hardly any contributor around here actually represents the traditonal model. Even my centropic gravitation-based field is nowhere near the standard representation. It would be interesting on one of these threads to actually try converging various models to see where we agree... a powerful new EU component may emerge.

[MGmirkin]

I thought there was a thread last year were some calculations from Donald were shown about the number if ions/electrons flowing to the sun and the sun's potential in comparison with the sun's energy output. Can't find the thread anymore but I still remember the sun's potential was estimated to be in the order of 100 GV.

You're probably referring to this one:

(Question about the current powering the sun - Don Scott's reply via Dave Smith)
http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... 2740#p2740

Regards,
~Michael Gmirkin

[perpetual motion]

This is my first post on this forum, so tell me if I am in the right universe.
I have been reading much of this (somewhat new to me) Thunderbolts Forum
thoughts and such, but tell me, is the universe AC or DC current.
As for detecting the energy source, I believe that it may take awhile before
anyone finds that one, as in being undetectable and or beyond the vision
of our eyes. Maybe my forum name is saying more than we realize. Anyway
I may be at a start.

[MGmirkin]

Someone noted elsewhere (privately) that AC [Alternating Current] the kind we have on Earth, that varies at 50 or 60 Hertz, generally doesn't occur naturally in space. So, it sounds like DC. But DC that can vary in intensity (if that makes sense)?

~Michael Gmirkin

[MGmirkin]

As to measuring the current(s) possibly powering the sun (a best guess, at present), it would probably require designing detectors that would reveal particle populations, direction, intensity. Averaged directional flow. Or if there's any way to get some kind of device for measuring extremely weak currents into space. I recall it being said, that the current (or was it the electric field? [still learning! *sigh*]) would be nearly undetectable over short distances (a few meters, maybe even a hundred meters?), but over the vast distances involved in the solar system it would amount to a pretty big potential and a significant amount of energy being deposited @ the sun, considering he volume of the heliosphere.

~Michael