Researcher720 wrote:Hi,
I am new to the Forums, so if I'm not in the right place for this topic, please let me know.
I have done a lot of research on Weber electrodynamics. (Don't believe what you read on the Wikipedia page on this topic. It is very old and not correct....) I'd like to discuss what I've found. I think it could be very important to the Electric Universe models. I'd also like to hookup with anyone doing plasma research/simulations to see if Weber's electrodynamics could be used in the simulations instead of Maxwell's electrodynamics. What would plasma cosmology and models of the Sun and solar system look like using Weber electrodynamics?
In a few words, what I have found is that Maxwell's electrodynamics carries 2 implicit restrictions (so it is not mathematically consistent). When these restrictions are removed, and 2 terms added to the scalar potential function, you end up with Weber's electrodynamics. In this way, Weber's electrodynamics is a correction and extension of Maxwell's electrodynamics. So, I have written the 4 Maxwell differential equations for Weber's electrodynamics. Weber's electrodynamics is every bit a field theory as is Maxwell's electrodynamics.... It is simple to go from Maxwell to Weber. And Weber, now, looks a lot like Maxwell....
These are statements of mathematics. I have focused on the mathematics because math is provable.
Anyway, if you are interested, please let me know.
I love questions. Feel free to ask.
A summary of my work is available at http://www.weberelectrodynamics.com/
Researcher720 wrote:Hi,
I am new to the Forums, so if I'm not in the right place for this topic, please let me know.
I have done a lot of research on Weber electrodynamics. (Don't believe what you read on the Wikipedia page on this topic. It is very old and not correct....) I'd like to discuss what I've found. I think it could be very important to the Electric Universe models. I'd also like to hookup with anyone doing plasma research/simulations to see if Weber's electrodynamics could be used in the simulations instead of Maxwell's electrodynamics. What would plasma cosmology and models of the Sun and solar system look like using Weber electrodynamics?
In a few words, what I have found is that Maxwell's electrodynamics carries 2 implicit restrictions (so it is not mathematically consistent). When these restrictions are removed, and 2 terms added to the scalar potential function, you end up with Weber's electrodynamics. In this way, Weber's electrodynamics is a correction and extension of Maxwell's electrodynamics. So, I have written the 4 Maxwell differential equations for Weber's electrodynamics. Weber's electrodynamics is every bit a field theory as is Maxwell's electrodynamics.... It is simple to go from Maxwell to Weber. And Weber, now, looks a lot like Maxwell....
These are statements of mathematics. I have focused on the mathematics because math is provable.
Anyway, if you are interested, please let me know.
I love questions. Feel free to ask.
A summary of my work is available at http://www.weberelectrodynamics.com/
Aardwolf wrote:"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality." - Nikola Tesla
D_Archer wrote:
And in the end Weber and Maxwell are just 'theories', models can work but they are not physical theories.
And here we do not focus on math, because math is the opposite of provable in the physical sciences. You need to understand physically what is happening, math comes later, it is wholly secondary.
Researcher720 wrote:I would think people in plasma research would be very interested in this Weber topic....
You'll need to ask Tesla. It's his quote.Higgsy wrote:Aardwolf wrote:"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality." - Nikola Tesla
So are you suggesting that Maxwell’s equations (Maxwell’s theory of electromagnetism) have no relation to reality?
Your knowledge of what I understand equates to nil. However, as it's Tesla's quote, do you think he didn't understand them?Higgsy wrote:Or is that quaotation just an excuse for not understanding them?
ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA wrote:Ptolemy
The book that is now generally known as the Almagest (from a hybrid of Arabic and Greek, “the greatest”) was called by Ptolemy Hē mathēmatikē syntaxis (“The Mathematical Collection”) because he believed that its subject, the motions of the heavenly bodies, could be explained in mathematical terms.
Researcher720 wrote:Hi D_Archer, Thanks for your comments.
I thought math is to be *the* language of science. (Is there any other option?
And I thought the scientific process was something like 1) Predict the results
of a proposed experiment, 2) Perform the experiment, 3) Compare prediction to
experimental results. I would expect step (1) would be (not exclusively) math. According
to some theory, we predict, through the theory's math, that an experiment
would produce these results.... Do the experiment to show the math did predict
the experimental results, or not.
I also don't see how to analyze the collected experimental data without math.
The math being based on the theory chosen. Different theory, different math, different
analysis of the experimental data.
Experiment is king, but math is queen. And they go hand-in-hand.
And from what I've been able to calculate, so far, Weber's electrodynamics appears to
be more mathematically consistent than Maxwell's electrodynamics. So wouldn't
physicists prefer to use a consistent mathematical system than one that isn't?
If you want to sell me Weber, please show more than math.
D_Archer wrote:Researcher720 wrote:I would think people in plasma research would be very interested in this Weber topic....
Without maths? You really think that any plasma physics can be done without maths? No wonder no-one takes you guys seriously.No, not really, unless you can explain why or how it would influence the field, without math, but in a physical , real world understanding of plasma physics, or what it means for plasma when Weber is actually applied.
Well, you wouldn't know because you don't have any current understanding of plasma physics, not even page 1 of the most elementary text.Does it change any current understanding?
That's absolutely the opposite of what you have to do with real plasma physicists. With those you have to show mathematically how the Weber formulation of EM theory leads to better and more accurate predictions of actual plasma phenomena.Does it point to a better understanding? how? etc.. and you have to explain it in physical term (again not with math).
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