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Re: Cosmic Rays and their implications to solar physics.

Unread postby Michael Mozina » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:37 pm

querious wrote:First of all, where have I ever mentioned Magnetic Reconnection?


You may not have mentioned it, but virtually everywhere in space that results in high energy, high temperature plasma is supposedly "explained" by the mainstream using MRx theory. In fact pretty much everywhere that Alfven used circuit theory, the mainstream uses MRx pseudoscience.

Second of all, the mere fact you think that's the only proposed explanation of the 3-million-degree coronal plasma once again shows your abject ignorance of the subjects you so passionately opine on.


Oh do tell. What is the cause of those million degree coronal loops and solar flares? How is the corona heated up over the whole surface of the sphere according to the mainstream?

Third of all, it appears that your claim of anybody "simulating" the nature of the hot corona was full-on BS.


No, your excuses for not being able to replicate that much of Birkeland's work using something *other than* electric fields to sustain the process is full-on BS.

It was just an ordinary plasma glow, wasn't it?


Of course. Nobody in the EU/PC community ever said the corona was anything other than "ordinary". Why would it be "extraordinary" in the first place?

In your mind, that probably suffices for a simulation. Lame.


What's "lame" is the fact that the mainstream hasn't been able to generate anything even remotely close to the work Birkeland produced a century ago. That's lame, along with your whole attitude.
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Re: Cosmic Rays and their implications to solar physics.

Unread postby Solar » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:35 pm

Michael Mozina wrote:The mainstream is clueless with respect to existence of the electric field between the surface of the sun and the heliosphere. They certainly never discuss it or mention it.


Probably because of the difficulty of measuring/estimating it. Electric fields can become "screened" because of the presence of the charge carriers. So I put this phrase into Google:

Electric field screening in "heliosphere" - be sure to check the Scholarly articles link for .pdf also.

The first paper that I began reading mentions the electric field on more than one ocassion. On page 15 Sec "2. Termination Shock Particles" the last sentence gives interesting reference to electric field starting at 1AU - 80-100 AU out to Termination shock:

The Heliospheric Termination Shock R. A. Treumann et al

Electrons under the dominant action of shock-electric fields Hans J. Fahr et al (searching for certain energetic electrons; couldn't find them - surprise ending)

Too tired to go hunting more down but its a decent start (follow up on references of course).On another note here is a rather large doc that catalogs in excess of 30 terrella experiments ALONE since, and including Birkelands original, as well as other types of experiments that have tried to produce some lab results to compare with actual probes and/or offer some predictions:

Interrelated laboratory and space plasma experiments: M. E. Koepke (all references in the References section can be followed up on in Goggle to check for free papers of course)

They do talk of and/or estimate electric fields, and they have done extensive testing with terrella assessing the successes and the limitations (scaling issues for example) of same. All of it is in the literature already.
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Re: Cosmic Rays and their implications to solar physics.

Unread postby Solar » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:43 am

In the distant solar wind, the temperature decreases so much that a typical spacecraft can move faster than the thermal electrons. Ordinary electric antennae then become unstable at frequencies of the order of magnitude of the plasma frequency, yielding unreliable electric field measurements. A spacecraft emits damped plasma wave by a Cerenkov process and should have a very perturbed wake. These effects could appear on Voyager and be erroneously attributed to a genuine radioemission. They should also be taken into account for designing relaible antenna for future missions in the outer heliosphere. Electric antennae in the outer heliosphere: the importance of being stable - N. Meyer-Vernet


Speaking of Plasma Waves (Plasma Oscillations in EF) several forms of these are influenced by the electric field of the Sun:

Abstract. In the solar wind at 1 AU, coherent electrostatic waveforms in the ion acoustic frequency range (' 1 kHz) have been observed by the Time Domain Sampler (TDS) instrument on the Wind spacecraft. Small drops of electrostatic potential (18 ≥ 10−3 V) have been found across some of these waveforms, which can thus be considered as weak double layers (Mangeney et al., 1999). The rate of occurrence of these potential drops, at 1 AU, is estimated by a comparison of the TDS data with simultaneous data of another Wind instrument, the Thermal Noise Receiver (TNR), which measures continuously the thermal and non-thermal electric spectra above 4 kHz. We assume that the potential drops have a constant amplitude and a constant rate of occurrence between the Sun and the Earth. The total potential drop between the Sun and the Earth, which results from a succession of small potential drops during the Sun-Earth travel time, is then found to be about 300 V to 1000 V, of the same order of magnitude as the interplanetary potential implied by a two-fluid or an exospheric model of the solar wind: the interplanetary potential may manifest itself as a succession of weak double layers… - Evidence for the interplanetary electric potential? WIND observations of electrostatic fluctuations C. Lacomb


We have examined critically the question of the boundary condition for galactic cosmic rays at teh outer edge of the modulation region. With few exceptions authors have in the past uncritically used a time-dependent, spherically-symmetric condition. We find that, depending on the mechanism by which the heliospheric magnetic connects to the general galactic magnetic field, the V x B induced electric field may have important effects on the boundary condition. Sample calculations are presented which illustrate the potentially large, non-spherically-symmetric effects which may be expected. - NASA: Electric Field Effects on Galactic Cosmic Rays


Looking for a rough estimate of the electric field between surface of the Sun and T-Shock is going to provide ... a rough estimate. Nonetheless, astrophysics is acutely aware that an electric field for the Sun exist and that it accelerates, and oscillates charged species. Not sure what else is needed to demonstrate this, nor where this thread is going.
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Re: Cosmic Rays and their implications to solar physics.

Unread postby querious » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:56 pm

Solar wrote:Not sure what else is needed to demonstrate this, nor where this thread is going.


This thread is called "Cosmic Rays and their implications to solar physics", and the implications are... not much at all. Mozina's snipe hunt for an alternation explanation to hydrogen fusion in the core will have to continue.
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Re: Cosmic Rays and their implications to solar physics.

Unread postby Michael Mozina » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:47 pm

querious wrote:
Solar wrote:Not sure what else is needed to demonstrate this, nor where this thread is going.


This thread is called "Cosmic Rays and their implications to solar physics", and the implications are... not much at all.


Says who? You? We only measure the cosmic rays that make it this far into the solar system.

Mozina's snipe hunt for an alternation explanation to hydrogen fusion in the core will have to continue.


Pffft. Don't talk to me about snipe hunts after the billions of dollars the mainstream has wasted on exotic matter claims.
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Re: Cosmic Rays and their implications to solar physics.

Unread postby JHL » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:24 am

querious wrote:Mozina's snipe hunt for an alternation explanation to hydrogen fusion in the core will have to continue.


The obvious place being here: https://youtu.be/zsDAGgGu--E
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Re: Cosmic Rays and their implications to solar physics.

Unread postby Solar » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:02 am

Or here:

Is not the universe with its infinite and impenetrable boundary a perfect vacuum tube of dimensions and power inconceivable? Are not its fiery suns electrodes at temperatures far beyond any we can apply in the puny and crude contrivances of our making?  Is it not a fact that the suns and stars are under immense electrical pressures transcending any that man can ever produce and is this not equally true of the vacuum in celestial space? - The Eternal Source of Energy of The Universe, Origin and Intensity of Cosmic Rays: N. Tesla October 13, 1932


And here:

HOT! CONFIRMED! Photonuclear reactions by lightning

Or here:

Electrodes and Plasma Fusion

Even now the limitations of traditional particle accelerators are moving over to more powerful aspects of "Extreme Plasma Physics" and proton-electron driven "Wakefield Acceleration".

Meanwhile: The +180 years old Dynamo Theory … has apparently ALSO moved over to spinning plasma instead.

Domination is immanent, if not already present, due to the supposed fusion inducing gravitationally collapsing molecular cloud being untestable and thereby destined to remain in the realm of theoretical speculations.

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Y'all have fun now.
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Re: Cosmic Rays and their implications to solar physics.

Unread postby JHL » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:02 pm

That Tesla quote is a thing of beauty, Solar, especially his use of pressures.

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