Oumuamua - No discharge coma?

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Re: Oumuamua - No discharge coma?

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Re: Oumuamua - No discharge coma?

Unread postby ConsciousNutshell » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:42 am

Hi everyone,

How do they know it is an extra-solar system object if they has just discovered it? They say it has an eccentricity
e=1.1956±0.0006 but this could only be a modeling (a supposition) {https://arxiv.org/pdf/1810.11490.pdf}. Pre-entry velocity 26 km/s? More of the same. Why is it not possible it is an object of recent creation (might be a collision between two comets or a comet and an asteroid)? Anyway, A/2017 (Oumuamua) has just 100 meters and has showed no visible coma or outgassing. It's alleged perihelion was at 0.25 UA, so let's guess its distance to Earth was 0.7 UA (100 million km). {https://www.eso.org/public/archives/releases/sciencepapers/eso1737/eso1737a.pdf}
How the hell is it possible to see a dark object that DOES NOT EVEN REACH 1 MILLIMETER THICK at that distance?? It should be easier to see the penguins on Mars or the dragons in Venus. Not to say, it looks like somebody is trying to sell something or just manipulating the herd with the extraterrestrial origin idea {https://phys.org/news/2018-11-oumuamua-extraterrestrial-solar.html}.

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Re: Oumuamua - No discharge coma?

Unread postby D_Archer » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:45 am

ConsciousNutshell wrote:Hi everyone,

How do they know it is an extra-solar system object if they has just discovered it? They say it has an eccentricity
e=1.1956±0.0006 but this could only be a modeling (a supposition) {https://arxiv.org/pdf/1810.11490.pdf}. Pre-entry velocity 26 km/s? More of the same. Why is it not possible it is an object of recent creation (might be a collision between two comets or a comet and an asteroid)? Anyway, A/2017 (Oumuamua) has just 100 meters and has showed no visible coma or outgassing. It's alleged perihelion was at 0.25 UA, so let's guess its distance to Earth was 0.7 UA (100 million km). {https://www.eso.org/public/archives/releases/sciencepapers/eso1737/eso1737a.pdf}
How the hell is it possible to see a dark object that DOES NOT EVEN REACH 1 MILLIMETER THICK at that distance?? It should be easier to see the penguins on Mars or the dragons in Venus. Not to say, it looks like somebody is trying to sell something or just manipulating the herd with the extraterrestrial origin idea {https://phys.org/news/2018-11-oumuamua-extraterrestrial-solar.html}.

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Because it reflects sunlight and our instruments see that light, yes these instruments are sensitive enough to pick up that light, the observation was made with the VLT.

The elongated shape is deduced because the object changes drastically in brightness in a period of 7 hours or so.

As for the extra stellar origin, they calculate backwards from the trajectory it has and the speed, this indicated an origin outside our solar system. Also it is very unlikely to be created in our solar system because of a collision of sorts, collisions rarely happen in space, a collision would also reduce speed and this thing is fast.

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Re: Oumuamua - No discharge coma?

Unread postby neilwilkes » Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:48 am

This is a serious post - and the only explanation I have yet found that actually fits everything is the Alien Probe idea.
Seriously.
Here's the link to the article written by Abraham Loeb - so we are not talking about the usual Armchair experts here but someone who is highly regarded in the mainstream so this really is well worth checking out with an open mind https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1811/1811.08832.pdf

One of the highlights for me is the way it almost stealthed itself
`Oumuamua originated from a very special frame of reference, the so-called Local Standard of Rest (LSR), which is defined by averaging the random motions of all the stars in the vicinity of the Sun. Only one star in five hundred is as slow as `Oumuamua in that frame. The LSR is the ideal frame for camouflage, namely for hiding the origins of an object and avoiding its association with any particular star - since stars typically move in that frame.
The relative motion between `Oumuamua and the Sun reflects the motion of the Sun relative to the LSR. `Oumuamua is like a buoy sitting at rest on the surface of the ocean, with the Solar System running into it like a fast ship. Could there be an array of buoys that serves as a network of relay stations or road posts, defining the average Galactic frame of reference in interstellar space?


Given that even the mainstream now think that as many as 1/4 of all the stars in our own galaxy have a habitable planet orbiting.......see http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0004-637X/807/1/45/pdf....then it's not unlikely. Check the paper in the first link and read it with an open mind
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