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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby Bengt Nyman » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:48 am

Gravity waves

Recent observations and measurements suggest that quantitative changes in gravity between bodies in space travel with the speed of light. The measurements furthermore confirm the transient, single chirp nature of the change in gravity between two bodies when the mass of one of them suddenly changes by an explosive conversion from mass to energy. A body in space is tied to all other bodies in space through strings of gravity with strengths inversely proportional to the square of respective distances. A change in mass of one body consequently permeates with the speed of light through all its gravity strings to all surrounding bodies in space.

The Coulomb dipole model of gravity, accessible to the right, is based on contemporary particle physics and supplements quantum physics and string theory without creating the conceptual conflict that is experienced with the idea of "space time" as a cause of gravity.
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:20 am

The Neutron star merger / Nova / Star merger, that corresponded with signals at LIGO is
still active and is brightening:
Neutron-star merger yields new puzzle for astrophysicists
Afterglow from cosmic smash-up continues to brighten, confounding expectations.

ja7tdo came with this link:
Ultra sensitive detection of radio waves with lasers
"The radio wave signal produces fluctuations in the membrane and you can now read the signal optically using a laser beam. This is done through a complex interaction between the membrane’s mechanical fluctuations, the electrical properties of the metallic layer and the light that is hitting the membrane."

Well it looks like the LIGO works the same as this type of antenna.
Case closed?
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby Bengt Nyman » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:06 am

Zyxzevn wrote:The Neutron star merger ... that corresponded with signals at LIGO is
still active and is brightening ... Afterglow from cosmic smash-up continues to brighten, confounding expectations.

It might suggest that the conversion from mass to energy (in form of visible light) is still going on, but at a less rapid pace. Or it might suggest that the complexity of a photon is such that the birth of a photon by synthesis from black hole energy bits takes some time.
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby caplanmh » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:48 am

This is not my subject but the question I have failed to get answers to is;

If gravity travels at the speed of light as currently claimed, then it follows that Galaxies would be circulating centres they left behind light years earlier - they would break up and galaxies would not exist. We would be circling a point we left behind eight and a quarter minutes ago. We would be flung out into space.

The only answer I have had is from a Doctor who lectures at universities on the subject. He said "it is believed they carry gravity with them". He did not hang around long enough for me to ask "how this could work"!

Any offers?
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby Bengt Nyman » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:18 am

caplanmh wrote:If gravity travels at the speed of light as currently claimed ,,, We would be flung out into space.

Not, but the speed of gravity being equal to the speed of light speaks against the big bang.
The universe did not arise instantly, that is a theoretical fallacy arising from incorrect assumptions about the cause of red shift and its mathematical extrapolations. Gravity is a net Coulomb force which has always been there and which causes the orbital of electrons around their nuclei as well as planets orbiting around their suns and suns around their centers of galaxies. The fact that gravity travels "only" with the speed of light has so far not caused any problems, other than for theories about the universe which require otherwise.
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby caplanmh » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:37 am

Bengt Nyman wrote:
caplanmh wrote:If gravity travels at the speed of light as currently claimed ,,, We would be flung out into space.

Not, but the speed of gravity being equal to the speed of light speaks against the big bang.
The universe did not arise instantly, that is a theoretical fallacy arising from incorrect assumptions about the cause of red shift and its mathematical extrapolations. Gravity is a net Coulomb force which has always been there and which causes the orbital of electrons around their nuclei as well as planets orbiting around their suns and suns around their centers of galaxies. The fact that gravity travels "only" with the speed of light has so far not caused any problems, other than for theories about the universe which require otherwise.


So has anyone tried to prove that by Computer Simulation. Somehow, I doubt that however slowly a galaxy may form, It still has to obey basic laws. The implication here is that Gravity carries an enertia with it.

It seems to me in my ignorance that either there is another force at work or gravity travels instantaneously.
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby Bengt Nyman » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:35 pm

caplanmh wrote: ...

It's a bit like the chicken and the egg. I claim that gravity in form of net Coulomb attraction causing electrical charges to form quarks, protons, atoms, bodies and gravity between bodies is the first and the most fundamental builder of the universe.

This is probably the fundamental law that you are looking for.

I agree that the speed with which changes in gravity travels is an interesting question, however, since gravity was here second only to electrical charge, it does not much matter how fast gravity travels because anything requiring a different speed of gravity has most likely never been given a chance to exist.
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby kiwi » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:19 pm

Hi Michael :)

I just got back from the Ohio APS Nat conference where PM Robataille and Steve Crothers both delivered abstract talks. Here is an interesting paper from a talk by DT Froedge that was delivered in the same session entitled LIGO GRAVITATIONAL WAVES: RIPPLES IN SPACETIME OR ELECTROMAGNETIC.


The opening abstract from the paper at first seems to validate the concensus opinion re G/Waves.... which confuses me a bit as this is not the conclusion he reachs .... anyway I will add a link to the paper from his address at Vixra.Included also is a statement made by Thorne . Misner and Wheeler from 1973 regards the Energy Momentum Psuedo-Tensor, later recanted after 1975.

Dicke in 1957 [3], as well as others[4-9], have speculated on the possibility that gravitation has an
electromagnetic origin, and in fact it was only after the Pulsar Hulse, & Taylor [1,2], measurements that
there was a serious belief that the carrier of the energy, energy-momentum pseudo-tensor could have or
carry any energy at all.
It is notable that Misner, Thorne & Wheeler, Gravitation, 1973, p.467: remarked of the gravitational the
energy-momentum pseudo-tensor:
"It is not localizable. The equivalence principle forbids." "There is no unique formula
for it”, “it has no weight. It does not curve space. It does not serve as a source term ... It
does not produce any relative geodesic deviation of two nearby world lines ... It is not
observable." [11]
Belief in this changed after 1975 but, whether the measurements of gravitational radiation by the LigosVirgo
consortium are inherently gravitational or electromagnetic as still open. If the energy-momentum
pseudo-tensor is unable to carry energy then the transfer mechanism could well be electromagnetic.



Ligo Gravitational Waves: Ripples in Spacetime or Electromagnetic V2
Authors: DT Froedge

On Feb. 2016 the Ligo team announced the detection of gravitational waves from a collapsing Black Hole that occurred on Sept 14 2015. This definitively answers the question of the existence of gravitational radiation, and confirms the pulsar radiation energy measured by Hulse, & Taylor [1,2]. Although the loss of energy in orbiting binaries is indicative of radiational loss, it does not automatically follow that the energy being radiated is gravitational, there is the possibility proposed by several theorists, that the waves are electromagnetic [3-9]. The Ligo experiment has developed impressive measures to reduce electromagnetic signals, but at the levels of strain being measured, it is not certain that the momentum transfer can be completely avoided. Electromagnetic signals diffracted around the limb of the earth vs. gravitational waves passing freely through, yield timing and attenuation differences that can clearly distinguish between the two, but as of yet that has not happened. There can only be certainty when the three Ligo Virgo observatories simultaneously triangulate signals through the earth with proper timing and attenuation. This paper will explore the aspects of the measurements that will define the difference.


http://vixra.org/abs/1602.0268

http://vixra.org/pdf/1602.0268v2.pdf

Hope you enjoy the read , the conclusion seems to be that a third detector will put this lot to bed once and for all

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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby Bengt Nyman » Tue May 01, 2018 1:38 am

We are nearing a reasonable understanding of gravity and how it is communicated through space.
1. Gravity is the result of net Coulomb attraction between electric charges in particles and bodies in space.
2. The communication is electromagnetic.
3. Gravity is permanent and changes in gravity is communicated with the speed of light.
4. Spacetime, gravity wells and gravity waves are fictional attempts to illustrate the effects of gravity, do not adress the cause of gravity, are misleading as to the scale at which gravity works and are no longer appropriate educational or scientific concepts.
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby Cosmologist1 » Sun May 06, 2018 6:50 am

For the first time, gravitational waves were discovered in 1987, duaring explosion of SN1987A. The energy of GW exceeded the teoretical estimates by three orders of magnitude. The problems that arose after studying the observational and experimental data of this explosion were considered in https://arxiv.org/abs/1603.05076 and http://lvd.ras.ru/history (The work can translate into English using Google-translator)
Possible mechanism for the formation GW is in this work: http://vixra.org/abs1608.0411
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