Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby Bengt Nyman » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:48 am

Gravity waves

Recent observations and measurements suggest that quantitative changes in gravity between bodies in space travel with the speed of light. The measurements furthermore confirm the transient, single chirp nature of the change in gravity between two bodies when the mass of one of them suddenly changes by an explosive conversion from mass to energy. A body in space is tied to all other bodies in space through strings of gravity with strengths inversely proportional to the square of respective distances. A change in mass of one body consequently permeates with the speed of light through all its gravity strings to all surrounding bodies in space.

The Coulomb dipole model of gravity, accessible to the right, is based on contemporary particle physics and supplements quantum physics and string theory without creating the conceptual conflict that is experienced with the idea of "space time" as a cause of gravity.
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:20 am

The Neutron star merger / Nova / Star merger, that corresponded with signals at LIGO is
still active and is brightening:
Neutron-star merger yields new puzzle for astrophysicists
Afterglow from cosmic smash-up continues to brighten, confounding expectations.

ja7tdo came with this link:
Ultra sensitive detection of radio waves with lasers
"The radio wave signal produces fluctuations in the membrane and you can now read the signal optically using a laser beam. This is done through a complex interaction between the membrane’s mechanical fluctuations, the electrical properties of the metallic layer and the light that is hitting the membrane."

Well it looks like the LIGO works the same as this type of antenna.
Case closed?
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby Bengt Nyman » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:06 am

Zyxzevn wrote:The Neutron star merger ... that corresponded with signals at LIGO is
still active and is brightening ... Afterglow from cosmic smash-up continues to brighten, confounding expectations.

It might suggest that the conversion from mass to energy (in form of visible light) is still going on, but at a less rapid pace. Or it might suggest that the complexity of a photon is such that the birth of a photon by synthesis from black hole energy bits takes some time.
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby caplanmh » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:48 am

This is not my subject but the question I have failed to get answers to is;

If gravity travels at the speed of light as currently claimed, then it follows that Galaxies would be circulating centres they left behind light years earlier - they would break up and galaxies would not exist. We would be circling a point we left behind eight and a quarter minutes ago. We would be flung out into space.

The only answer I have had is from a Doctor who lectures at universities on the subject. He said "it is believed they carry gravity with them". He did not hang around long enough for me to ask "how this could work"!

Any offers?
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby Bengt Nyman » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:18 am

caplanmh wrote:If gravity travels at the speed of light as currently claimed ,,, We would be flung out into space.

Not, but the speed of gravity being equal to the speed of light speaks against the big bang.
The universe did not arise instantly, that is a theoretical fallacy arising from incorrect assumptions about the cause of red shift and its mathematical extrapolations. Gravity is a net Coulomb force which has always been there and which causes the orbital of electrons around their nuclei as well as planets orbiting around their suns and suns around their centers of galaxies. The fact that gravity travels "only" with the speed of light has so far not caused any problems, other than for theories about the universe which require otherwise.
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby caplanmh » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:37 am

Bengt Nyman wrote:
caplanmh wrote:If gravity travels at the speed of light as currently claimed ,,, We would be flung out into space.

Not, but the speed of gravity being equal to the speed of light speaks against the big bang.
The universe did not arise instantly, that is a theoretical fallacy arising from incorrect assumptions about the cause of red shift and its mathematical extrapolations. Gravity is a net Coulomb force which has always been there and which causes the orbital of electrons around their nuclei as well as planets orbiting around their suns and suns around their centers of galaxies. The fact that gravity travels "only" with the speed of light has so far not caused any problems, other than for theories about the universe which require otherwise.


So has anyone tried to prove that by Computer Simulation. Somehow, I doubt that however slowly a galaxy may form, It still has to obey basic laws. The implication here is that Gravity carries an enertia with it.

It seems to me in my ignorance that either there is another force at work or gravity travels instantaneously.
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Re: Evidence of Gravitational Waves, or Confirmation Bias?

Unread postby Bengt Nyman » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:35 pm

caplanmh wrote: ...

It's a bit like the chicken and the egg. I claim that gravity in form of net Coulomb attraction causing electrical charges to form quarks, protons, atoms, bodies and gravity between bodies is the first and the most fundamental builder of the universe.

This is probably the fundamental law that you are looking for.

I agree that the speed with which changes in gravity travels is an interesting question, however, since gravity was here second only to electrical charge, it does not much matter how fast gravity travels because anything requiring a different speed of gravity has most likely never been given a chance to exist.
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