What the heck is the "Electric Model of the Universe?"

[Keith Ness]

Well, some details in my version of steady-state and/or answer to where matter/energy came from may be too specific to one extent or another to be competitive, but the point is that assuming the universe suddenly turns into megaparsecs of naturally occurring giant rubber chickens floating in space at some point in time or space is more far-fetched than assuming it doesn't. Steady-State theory, as steady as the valid observations/interpretations allow (which is steadier than Doppler IGM redshift and Big Bang), is the best.

[Bengt Nyman]

Newcomers to this forum arrive with a refreshingly simple and intuitive view of our university. Proponents of the Standard Model have spent years searching for the simple rules that govern it all, but instead constructed a complex labyrint of circular arguments and make believe.
Many proponents of The Electric Universe are attempting to find a more satisfying model but are similarly falling into the human propensity to fill the void between scientific building blocks with words and faith based dogma which lacks meaning and credibility and rightfully appears as unclear fields of dreams to the unindoctrinated observer.
Our fear of the unknown makes us insist on explanations which fit our simple minds and our lack of knowledge. As we progress from Oden and Thor to more scientific discoveries we continue our journey and change our beliefs.
As our arsenal of scientific building blocks grow we need less faith based cement to hold them together.
However, some religions die hard. Thank you Albert Einstein.
"From a few simple rules emerges complexity and the rich, magnificent diversity of our university and our planet."
http://www.dipole.se
Bengt Nyman

[Webbman]

Newcomers to this forum arrive with a refreshingly simple and intuitive view of our university. Proponents of the Standard Model have spent years searching for the simple rules that govern it all, but instead constructed a complex labyrint of circular arguments and make believe.
Many proponents of The Electric Universe are attempting to find a more satisfying model but are similarly falling into the human propensity to fill the void between scientific building blocks with words and faith based dogma which lacks meaning and credibility and rightfully appears as unclear fields of dreams to the unindoctrinated observer.
Our fear of the unknown makes us insist on explanations which fit our simple minds and our lack of knowledge. As we progress from Oden and Thor to more scientific discoveries we continue our journey and change our beliefs.
As our arsenal of scientific building blocks grow we need less faith based cement to hold them together.
However, some religions die hard. Thank you Albert Einstein.
"From a few simple rules emerges complexity and the rich, magnificent diversity of our university and our planet."
http://www.dipole.se
Bengt Nyman

I imagine that when and if you finally get that knowledge you'll be needing all the faith you can get. It is what it is.

[Bengt Nyman]

Fear and faith is a substitute for facts. He who still prefers fear and faith over fact is a fool.

[upriver]

Thank you, Upriver.

I am implying that the field is kinetic energy and that the carriers are mass bound particles(particles that carry mass).

The field is space.

I see this is the popular mistake, to give properties to empty space,
when the behaviors of particles cannot otherwise be explained.

But I think, explaining how empty space can have kinetic energy will be even harder than explaining how mass bound particles have kinetic energy.
~Paul

Everything in the standard description has mass and travels at subluminal speeds.
Suppose the "Aether" or "Zero point energy" or Star Trek "subspace" has no mass and was superluminal.

How would you measure it? And would this substance have the required properties to fill in observed but not accepted properties of the universe i.e. Entanglement, tunneling, evanescent waves??

Hartman Effect
The delay time for a quantum tunneling particle is independent of the thickness of the opaque barrier. This is called the Hartman effect, after Thomas Hartman who discovered it in 1962.[1] In 2007, Nimtz and Stahlhofen demonstrated that quantum tunneling of "evanescent modes" across a gap might result in virtual particles traveling faster than light.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartman_effect

Extraordinary momentum and spin in evanescent waves
https://arxiv.org/abs/1308.0547

Also check out my kinetic energy hypothesis thread.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... gy+upriver