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Re: Magnetic Reconnection

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:27 am

Experiments at PPPL show remarkable "agreement" with satellite sightings
https://www.pppl.gov/news/2018/12/exper ... -sightings

Experiments at PPPL show..:
"The experiments demonstrated that electron current flows perpendicular, and not parallel as once thought, to the magnetic field." Same with ions.

Plasma physics is 90 degrees off!! That is almost as wrong as you can get it.
Exactly as maxwell and EU predicted.

Can we finally put magnetic reconnection in the trash?
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Re: Magnetic Reconnection

Unread postby seasmith » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:19 pm

Zyxzevn wrote:Experiments at PPPL show remarkable "agreement" with satellite sightings
https://www.pppl.gov/news/2018/12/exper ... -sightings

Experiments at PPPL show..:
"The experiments demonstrated that electron current flows perpendicular, and not parallel as once thought, to the magnetic field." Same with ions.

Plasma physics is 90 degrees off!! That is almost as wrong as you can get it.
Exactly as maxwell and EU predicted.



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[Magnetic Lens]

You know what an electron microscope is.
Is electron flow parallel or perpendicular to magnetic vector lines here ?

It is simply a matter of scale, and if you are looking at micro particle rotation, or macro-scale electric current flow.
btw, so-called "electrons" were posited by J J Thompson, long after Maxwell's "Treatise..."

The article is meant to tease ...
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Re: Magnetic Reconnection

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:19 pm

seasmith wrote:You know what an electron microscope is.

Electrons always go from - to +.
(assuming a reasonably static magnetic field)

This is even true for the the electron-microscope.
Or for the magnetic confinement reactor that I described in a post above.

In this specialized instrument, where they made a very strong magnetic
field to focus the electron-beam, the electrons still go from + to -
To focus, the field has to be stronger on the outside,
so the electrons move away from the outside. This can only be accomplished
with artificial objects and has not been observed with astronomical objects.

So this has nothing to do with the astronomy world where there are
no focussing fields.

In the imaginary world of astronomers the electrons can even move without electrical
fields or charges..

That is what magnetic reconnection is all about, imaginary things colliding to
create an imaginary world without electrical fields.
The world of mainstream astronomy.

In the experiments these "scientists" are a full 90 degrees wrong, as they assumed that the electrons
would follow the magnetic field lines.
But instead, the electrons follow electric fields, and are affected by the well known Hall-effect
if there is a magnetic field present.

Back to the sun, this also means that the solar-ropes are not following magnetic field lines.
They are going from - to +, partially bent by magnetic fields.
This again means that the start and end of the ropes are electrically charged.
And this means that the sunspots are electrically charged regions...
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Re: Magnetic Reconnection

Unread postby seasmith » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:09 pm

Zyxzevin wrote:
"In this specialized instrument, where they made a very strong magnetic
field to focus the electron-beam, the electrons still go from + to -
To focus, the field has to be stronger on the outside,
so the electrons move away from the outside. This can only be accomplished
with artificial objects and has not been observed with astronomical objects.

Now you are conflating direction with parallel & perpendicular. You can go up or down the highway, but your'e still traveling parallel to the road.

So this has nothing to do with the astronomy world where there are
no focussing fields.

Oh really ?

That is what magnetic reconnection is all about, imaginary things colliding to
create an imaginary world without electrical fields.

I pointed out earlier, think it was in this thread, that "reconnection" (like "lines of force") are red herrings for many in the EU camp. Linear and 2D perspectives are being misapplied to 3D-over-T phenomena. It's become almost an EU dogma.

In the experiments these "scientists" are a full 90 degrees wrong, as they assumed that the electrons
would follow the magnetic field lines.
But instead, the electrons follow electric fields, and are affected by the well known Hall-effect
if there is a magnetic field present.

Electrons do not "follow" electric fields, they are Driven by them.
The Hall effect is a micro-scale effect.


Back to the sun, ... "

Some earlier posts invoking a perception of Zeeman and Stark effects were unconvincing at best.
Charge manifestations and dynamics can be present at levels much more fundamental than hot-cold-fast-slow 'electrons', and the whole zoo of named anions.
But no worries mate, just look at how MS science attempts to define "elementary charge", if you want to see a perfect tautology.

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Re: Magnetic Reconnection

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:36 pm

seasmith wrote:Zyxzevin wrote:
"In this specialized instrument, where they made a very strong magnetic
field to focus the electron-beam, the electrons still go from + to -
To focus, the field has to be stronger on the outside,
so the electrons move away from the outside. This can only be accomplished
with artificial objects and has not been observed with astronomical objects.

Now you are conflating direction with parallel & perpendicular. You can go up or down the highway, but your'e still traveling parallel to the road.


Only an artificial system can create a magnetic field where the magnetic field
and electric field are parallel.
That is because you need to create two perpendicular electric currents
to create a situation in which electrons follow the magnetic field lines exactly.
Natural systems try to undo any magnetic fields that are created.
In artificial systems we can also use permanent magnets, which must of course
below curie-temperature.

So this has nothing to do with the astronomy world where there are
no focussing fields.

Oh really ?


I think that a focussing field needs a stronger magnetic field on the outside and weaker magnetic
field on the inside.
That is because the spirals will then bend towards the centre.
If the magnetic field is stronger on the inside, like in a natural configuration,
the electrons will spiral outwards.
The electrons will still move from - to +.
The magnetic field just gives a Hall-effect, which is well known
and well tested in laboratories.

That is what magnetic reconnection is all about, imaginary things colliding to
create an imaginary world without electrical fields.

I pointed out earlier, think it was in this thread, that "reconnection" (like "lines of force") are red herrings for many in the EU camp. Linear and 2D perspectives are being misapplied to 3D-over-T phenomena. It's become almost an EU dogma.

I know the 3D version.
It is the hall-effect.
A well tested and well-known phenomenon.

The version that you talk about is related to particle accelerators,
that are driven by strong electric fields.
They use special magnetic fields to focus the particle-bundle.

But if you apply that in normal moving plasma, or plasma currents,
you can see that the magnetic fields cause magnetic breaking and an hall-effect.
That is what all the videos on plasma show.

If "currents" of multiple spiralling electrons come together, they
start interfering with each other.
This is the essence of magnetic breaking, which you also see
when you drop a magnet into a copper pipe.

You can actually see the electrons that are doing the breaking, as they
show as a cloud/puff in the plasma.

In the experiments these "scientists" are a full 90 degrees wrong, as they assumed that the electrons
would follow the magnetic field lines.
But instead, the electrons follow electric fields, and are affected by the well known Hall-effect
if there is a magnetic field present.

Electrons do not "follow" electric fields, they are Driven by them.
The Hall effect is a micro-scale effect.



I've done my electronics study:
Even with magnetic fields, however big, electrons go from - to +.
The Hall effect can be as large as the magnetic field.
Like earth-size or sun-size.
There is no limit to it.

What you are probably thinking of is the Quantum Hall effect.
But even this is still visible on human scales, as the quantized Hall effect
causes magnets to float in air when there is superconductivity.
This is called: quantum locking.
The quantization creates places of stability that can hold the object in place
for a long time.


Back to the sun, ... "

[color=#0000BF]Some earlier posts invoking a perception of Zeeman and Stark effects were unconvincing at best.
Charge manifestations and dynamics can be present at levels much more fundamental than hot-cold-fast-slow 'electrons', and the whole zoo of named anions.
;)


Seriously, I do not think there is much Zeeman effect on the Sun.
I think most of it is Stark effect, with just a bit of Zeeman effect caused by the visible currents.

If there is any other evidence of magnetic fields on the sun and their configuration,
please let me know.

Now what can cause electric fields on the sun's surface?

The charged regions can be caused by nuclear explosions under the surface, as they are similar to EMP bombs.
Or maybe there is some nuclear reaction that causes charge separation, but we do not understand well yet.

The electric separate charged regions float from inside the sun towards the surface, this can cause
strengthening of the electrical voltage like in a vanderwaals apparatus.
When the charged material reach the plasma surface, they start forming electrical
currents towards the other charged material.
These currents form the well-known plasma-ropes that we see on the sun.

The charge material also turns dark due to the free electrons that are released
at the surface. These absorb the light as is visible in electro-chemical experiments (see above).

If the solar ropes encounter each other, it is possible that we get an electrical short-cut,
and a solar flare can happen.
A very strong current can also be expelled due to the rail-gun effect.
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Re: Magnetic Reconnection

Unread postby seasmith » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:51 pm

Zyxzevin wrote:
I've done my electronics study:
Even with magnetic fields, however big, electrons go from - to +.
The Hall effect can be as large as the magnetic field.
Like earth-size or sun-size.
There is no limit to it.


I think you mean Lorentz
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