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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by upriver » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:24 pm

Local ISM 3D distribution and soft X-ray background
Inferences on nearby hot gas and the North Polar Spur


"Three-dimensional (3D) interstellar medium (ISM) maps can be used to locate not only interstellar (IS) clouds, but also IS bubbles between the clouds that are blown by stellar winds and supernovae, and are filled by hot gas. To demonstrate this, and to derive a clearer picture of the local ISM, we compare our recent 3D maps of the IS dust distribution to the ROSAT diffuse X-ray background maps after removal of heliospheric emission. In the Galactic plane, there is a good correspondence between the locations and extents of the mapped nearby cavities and the soft (0.25 keV) background emission distribution, showing that most of these nearby cavities contribute to this soft X-ray emission".

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.6899.pdf

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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by celeste » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:42 pm

upriver wrote:Local ISM 3D distribution and soft X-ray background
Inferences on nearby hot gas and the North Polar Spur


"Three-dimensional (3D) interstellar medium (ISM) maps can be used to locate not only interstellar (IS) clouds, but also IS bubbles between the clouds that are blown by stellar winds and supernovae, and are filled by hot gas. To demonstrate this, and to derive a clearer picture of the local ISM, we compare our recent 3D maps of the IS dust distribution to the ROSAT diffuse X-ray background maps after removal of heliospheric emission. In the Galactic plane, there is a good correspondence between the locations and extents of the mapped nearby cavities and the soft (0.25 keV) background emission distribution, showing that most of these nearby cavities contribute to this soft X-ray emission".

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.6899.pdf
Thanks upriver. Took me a bit to see what this meant. Hopefully, others will weigh in here?

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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by Robertus Maximus » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:34 am

The Starspot Cycle of Proxima Centauri

A recent study has suggested the existence of yet another star displaying cyclical spot activity- Proxima Centauri (Alpha Centauri C).

The puzzle this time is Proxima Centauri is classed as a Red Dwarf star and as such any internal dynamo should have shut down long ago.

‘“The existence of a cycle in Proxima Centauri shows that we don’t understand how stars’ magnetic fields are generated as well as we thought we did,” says Smithsonian co-author Jeremy Drake.’

Another admission that stellar and solar science is far from the settled science we are led to believe.

The researchers used several years of optical, UV, and X-ray observations and confirmed ‘previous reports of an 83-day rotational period and find strong evidence for a 7-year stellar cycle, along with indications of differential rotation at about the solar level.’

It could be that Proxima Centauri is an X-ray variable star, as is the Sun, perhaps X-ray variability is a common indicator of stellar cycles.

In the case of Proxima Centauri the nature of the cycle probably indicates that the Birkeland Current focussed on the Centauri system is usurped by the two main stars of the system, A and B, and is more filamentary at Proxima.

It would be interesting to see if Alpha Centauri A and B displayed a 22 year cycle- although any cycle could potentially be disrupted by the binary nature of the central pair.

We can now speculate about the recent announcement of the discovery of a planet, Proxima b, orbiting Proxima Centauri. Does this planet function as a secondary electrode in the circuit powering Proxima Centauri as do the planets in our solar system?

Perhaps it does?

References:

http://astronomynow.com/2016/10/11/prox ... e-thought/

http://mnras.oxfordjournals.org/content ... bzrnsgyvS4

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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by celeste » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:55 pm

Robertus Maximus wrote:
It would be interesting to see if Alpha Centauri A and B displayed a 22 year cycle- although any cycle could potentially be disrupted by the binary nature of the central pair.
Shouldn't we expect a cycle on the period of 79.91 years, or double that? If our solar cycle is really related to the orbit of our sun around solar system barycenter, then the orbit of the A and B components
of Alpha Centauri, may cause a similar cycle? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri

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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by Solar » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:03 am

celeste wrote:
upriver wrote:Local ISM 3D distribution and soft X-ray background
Inferences on nearby hot gas and the North Polar Spur


"Three-dimensional (3D) interstellar medium (ISM) maps can be used to locate not only interstellar (IS) clouds, but also IS bubbles between the clouds that are blown by stellar winds and supernovae, and are filled by hot gas. To demonstrate this, and to derive a clearer picture of the local ISM, we compare our recent 3D maps of the IS dust distribution to the ROSAT diffuse X-ray background maps after removal of heliospheric emission. In the Galactic plane, there is a good correspondence between the locations and extents of the mapped nearby cavities and the soft (0.25 keV) background emission distribution, showing that most of these nearby cavities contribute to this soft X-ray emission".

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.6899.pdf
Thanks upriver. Took me a bit to see what this meant. Hopefully, others will weigh in here?
Sharing some broad speculative thoughts and then a question to all:
Filaments between galactic Center and Galactic Halo
Galactic magnetic field “lines” and “dusty filaments are observed to extend between the galactic center “nuclear region” and the galactic halo. Example images can be seen (here).
Galactic Plane Blowout
Simultaneously (that is the important part) stars along the galactic disk are having their collective electrodynamic input via the induction of “Galactic Plane Blowout” which produces the formation Galactic Supershells which in turn are the precursors to galactic plane blowout - which then replenishes the halo source of potential.
Galactic Chimneys
In the midst of the dynamic Galactic Chimneys become locations where galactic scale electrical phenomena intersect the galactic disk.

Between the two phenomena so called “Halos”, whether for galaxies and/or stars like our sun, become interesting as a source of electric potential. I’ve not seen any resolutions that have managed to image the full length of a galactic scale filament that extends from galactic center into a galactic chimney. So, as of now I suspect that halos serve as a source of electric potential such that upon reaching some critical value the halo source of electric potential may undergo “electric breakdown” and discharge between either galactic center and/or the galactic disk. Perhaps then the filaments would then become local phenomena relative to galactic center and disk.
Chimney, “tubes”, and inter-disk Discharge Soft X-Ray
The relevance of the paper referenced by Upriver is that (of course) discharge phenomena between galactic center and galactic disk in the form of a galactic chimney would produce soft x-ray inside of the chimney. Galactic Chimneys are the electrodynamic pathway for bidirectional discharge phenomena between the stellar populations in the disk, the halo, and galactic center.

It is fantastically appropriate that a galactic chimney, such as the one within which the Sun resides, is bridled by the Gould’s Belt. This bears remarkable scaling dynamics that are commensurate with some so called “bipolar nebula”! Note the rings of dust at the neck in that image and compare it to the “ring of fire” characterization of Gould’s Belt.

Above and below the galactic disk these galactic chimneys have been observed. Sometimes, from above and below, the chimneys entirely pierce the galactic disk. Sometimes they make intense star forming ‘indentations’. In either case, when coupled with intra-disk stellar activity, discharge “tubes” running roughly parallel through the thickness the galactic disk have formed. These have also been detected. The paper referenced by Upriver also statistically eliminated other soft X-Ray sources; some of them were extragalactic. I thought it marvelous that this exist!
IBEX/Cassini Features
All of this then comes to focus on the very local region of the Sun, the LIC, G-Cloud, and whatever the nature of the filament that P. Firsch appears to have identified – within which the Sun appears to be “embedded”. The Sun has also been assessed as being close to the wall of these features. There are plenty of images that portray stars and entire galaxies as “plowing” through the celestial medium(s). Scant references to hydrogen “walls” – or some type of interfacial “wall”, “shock”, ionization front etc. - just ahead of the stellar astrospheres occasionally crop up. The last time such a feature *may* have been resolved was with:

Source 1: Hershel’s image of Betelgeuse

Source 2: Betelgeuse

Along that line of reasoning, taking the prospects of the Betelgeuse images into consideration, have a gander at the following dynamic. Some SNR remnants are providing interesting correlations. There are SNR's that not only display the spherical spherical component of the SNR; but also resolvable is the “shell” of the ionizing fronts of their astrospheres:

SNR G003.7-00.2

SNR G166.0+04.3

SNR G166.0+4.3 X-Ray

The Nature of Bilateral Supernova Remnants Paper

It’s amazing that the astrosphere remnant can remain intact. The SNR remnants are still in motion and adopt the same dynamic as its stellar progenitor and accompanying hydrogen wall. In the last image look at the intensity of the soft X-Ray “shadow”. The hypothesis is “This bright spot may be due to increased X-ray emission as the shock wave from the supernova explosion devours an interstellar cloud. The peculiar morphology of this SNR is believed to result from the eruption of a spherical SNR.”

And the configuration of this remnant just happens to adopt the same configuration as its progenitor? No. Perhaps the image is a soft x-ray 'magnifying glass'. When the overall SNR shape is shrunken back down to size for the star that it corresponds to; the energy pattern adopts the relation seen in the Betelgeuse image i.e. a star with its ionizing front or astrosphere. The X-Ray intensities would correspond to charge exchange activity at the heliosphere nose. Notice that east-to-west (left-to-right) the intensities appear to taper toward the center of the spherical portion of the spherical SNR shell.

Consider a LOS observation from a planet orbiting a star looking out in the direction of the nose of the heliosphere of that star. In that image, and from that LOS, the north to south (top-to-bottom) green and red intensities would present a preferentially aligned varying wide belt. In contrast, as the intensities elongate from east to west (left-to-right) tapering towards the center of the spherical shell the apex might present a varying narrow ribbon. The observer would initially see two distinct features. However, as referenced earlier, the features might be indicative of an LOS observation looking through one dynamic:
Whether this is viewed as the evolution of one structure from the ribbon shape into the belt shape as a function of energy or as two separate structure that overlap in energy (and could in fact originate at different radial distances along the LOS) remains a matter for further inquiry.
(...)
In terms of the brighter features, the belt roughly overlaps the ribbon in the “nose” hemisphere, but the belt is clearly present in the “tail” hemisphere where the ribbon is absent.” – A THREE-COORDINATE SYSTEM (ECLIPTIC, GALACTIC, ISMF) SPECTRAL ANALYSIS OF HELIOSPHERIC ENA EMISSIONS USING CASSINI/INCA MEASUREMENTS - K. Dialynas et al
Perhaps that bit of advice will turn out to be the case. IMHO this image of SNR G166.0+4.3 reveals the source behind the IBEX Ribbon and the Cassini Belt. I suspect that these two features are actually the result of one dynamic just as K. Dialynas et al advised.

Yes, its possible to broadly trace circuital relationships. Closer to the star the x-ray “shadow” of other SNR’s that might share the configuration of G166.0+4.3 are characterized in the same manner as the stars that produce them i.e. objects “plowing” into “clouds”. What a marvelous image. Again, scale that x-ray shadow back towards the dynamic that created it. The observation then might reveal the activities of a former stellar electrodynamic excitation that also partially extended into the region wherein said star might be considered as being “embedded” within a portion of a filament wall?

The x-ray shadow intensities show an interesting electrodynamic integration with an ionizing front, or astrophere, that seems to constitute another portion of a star's "power source".

My question to interested parties is: What is that?
"Our laws of force tend to be applied in the Newtonian sense in that for every action there is an equal reaction, and yet, in the real world, where many-body gravitational effects or electrodynamic actions prevail, we do not have every action paired with an equal reaction." — Harold Aspden

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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by upriver » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:43 pm

Solar wrote: Yes, its possible to broadly trace circuital relationships. Closer to the star the x-ray “shadow” of other SNR’s that might share the configuration of G166.0+4.3 are characterized in the same manner as the stars that produce them i.e. objects “plowing” into “clouds”. What a marvelous image. Again, scale that x-ray shadow back towards the dynamic that created it. The observation then might reveal the activities of a former stellar electrodynamic excitation that also partially extended into the region wherein said star might be considered as being “embedded” within a portion of a filament wall?

The x-ray shadow intensities show an interesting electrodynamic integration with an ionizing front, or astrophere, that seems to constitute another portion of a star's "power source".

My question to interested parties is: What is that?
I found that there are maps of the local Fluff, Bubble, Loop within 3 to 10 parsecs...
http://i.stack.imgur.com/waCQv.gif

I searched "local bubble fluff map" and went to images...

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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by upriver » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:25 pm

Here is a composite of the 3D and a cross section. I think this is right...

https://app.box.com/s/nycvyykjsgbfrl8fu7dhxvduwwn73hn2

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Self-Regulating “Plasmoids”

Unread post by Solar » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:00 am

upriver wrote:Here is a composite of the 3D and a cross section. I think this is right...

https://app.box.com/s/nycvyykjsgbfrl8fu7dhxvduwwn73hn2
Are plasmoids 'powered' externally, internally, or both? n my humble opinion the answer is both. Some thoughts:

Taking the larger circuital relationship(s) posted earlier into perspective: The question was asked “How is the sun powered?” and whether or not the Jergens & Alfven models can be reconciled. I’ll add Bob Johnson’s plasmoid hypothesis to this. Sometimes the cause and effect thinking is too linear and it impresses as trying to find the beginning of a circle.

Images have been resolved of stars along filaments (DR21 Ridge). Images have been resolved of a star at the tip of a filament (IC5146). So called “hypervelocity stars”, “runaway stars”, and such - are considered to wander which makes one wonder what a filament relationship for such star is.
In particular, recent observations of molecular clouds with Herschel (Pilbratt et al. 2010) have signified the role of filaments as a momentous, perhaps even dominant mode of star formation (e.g. Henning et al. 2010; Molinari et al. 2010; Men’shchikov et al. 2010). However, their formation and small scale structure is still not well understood and under debate. – STAR FORMATION IN THE TAURUS FILAMENT L 1495: FROM DENSE CORES TO STARS S. P. Quanz et al
Needless to say the EU's qualitative hypothesis has been fully on board with the above assessment. From paramagnetic filaments to diamagnetic filaments, Z-Pinch, Bennet Pinch, Dense Starless Cores, Theta Pinch etc no one knows exactly how stars are formed, what powers them, nor how they are enlivened for long periods of time, nor what induces their cyclical features. The thermonuclear idea is simply a pasted on concept in light of the most powerful thing known during that time. All observations have been subjectively interpreted to fit that idea imho. Meanwhile, Nature continually presents plasmoids. Several members on this forum over the years, including myself, have favored plasmoids (coherent or not) as the nearest comparison to stars, AGN, bright “knots” etc. yet, very little is known about plasmoids; but needless to say the quest to understand them is underway.

ICCD photos show 150-micron plasmoid, sequence of events in pinch

Galactic Plasmoids

Image Source

In the following video compilation of plasmoids , or Ball lightning fast forward to 6:24 sec. Plasmoids can somehow be initiated by the current density of a filament (and other factors) obviously but they have also been observed to be created, and to survive for some time, outside of same. Thus you’ll find sometimes find plasmoids characterized as ‘self-sustaining’:
Plasmas that are self-sustaining and have a definitive shape but are not confined between two electrodes or any external fields are referred to as plasmoids. A several-kilovolt capacitive discharge above the surface of a weak electrolyte can be used to generate water-based plasmoids [20] which take the form of a sphere, thus this particular type of discharge is referred to as a ‘‘ball” plasmoid discharge. In contrast to other direct-current (DC) plasma discharges (arc, corona, glow, dielectric barrier) [21], ball plasmoid discharges are generated by intentionally designing the electrodes such that a tremendous pulse of current causes a plasma to form at the tip of the cathode, above the surface of the electrolyte [20,22–24]. While still forming, the plasma grows, rises, and eventually separates from the cathode and can be seen as a distinct sphere of plasma for an extended period of time. The discharge occurs in three phases (Fig. 1): the pre-initiation, buildup, and detachment phases [25,26]; it is perhaps the detachment portion of the discharge, when an autonomous plasmoid can be observed, that is the most interesting. – Infrared emission spectroscopy of atmospheric-pressure ball plasmoids – S.E. Dubowsky et al
Sticking with the plasmoid motif expressed above now have a look at this newer “Slingshot” approach:

"The secret life of the Orion Nebula: Dancing filaments and a possible new way to form large star clusters" (Press Release)

Slingshot mechanism in Orion: Kinematic evidence for ejection of protostars by filaments: A. Stutz, A. Gould (+17mb paper)

Despite the static images cosmic filaments are known to meander, oscillate, undulate, kink, knot and move about. This slingshot theory posits that some “older” stars have been “kicked out” of the main filament. When considered in terms of plasmoid behavior it appears that plasmoids can become self-sustaining (detached/autonomous) for a while as opposed to remaining strictly within the high current density of the main filament proper. *IF* high current density were the only factor contributing to their existence one would not expect to observe hypervelocity stars wandering about. However, the ‘sander’ characterization could be a result of not being able to resolve other electrodynamic relationships. The velocity of a star ejected, or repulsed, would still encounter an environment of low density plasma (hydrogen, molecular clouds etc) as it traveled away from the main and obvious ‘structure’ of a galaxy. The velocity of such a star would seem to ensure the induction of an astrosphere by way of which such a star could still maintain itself traversing source material to ionize.

At 8:02 in the ball lightening video reference above a second plasmoid appears with no obvious lightning strike. How then was the second plasmoid initiated? It’s interesting that the direction and velocity of both plasmoids seem to be the same. This might infer that an ionized path had already been established by the first plasmoid or a previous cloud-to-cloud lightning strike. The intensity of earthbound lightning can be observed to pulse along the same ionized discharge path more than once. In those instances between obvious cascading bright discharges, the ionized current channel constitutes an invisible “tube” analogous to the low density “tubes” detected in soft x-ray for the sun’s local chimney. It is also noteworthy that within the confines of a galaxy stars have been assessed as being able to “migrate” and cross from one spiral arm of a galaxy to another.

As pertaining previously ionized "tubes" clearly visible in the Spitzer image of Galaxy IC 342 are filaments, stars, and star clusters that traverse and connect that galaxy’s spiral arms.

Somehow The Cosmos appears to have managed to inform the lowly Spider how adopt a portion of Its Galactic Architecture. Yet, the whole of astrophysics is still pondering “rotation curves” while the electrodynamic equivalent of “cross members” between galactic spiral arms objectively stares it blankly in the face. That is not a stab at astrophysics; it’s just an observation. There is no reason to expect a galaxy to simply fly apart due to rotation when the spiral arms of the disk are interconnected by the radial ‘spokes’ as revealed in the Spitzer image.

Nonetheless I’m very curious as to how some Earthbound plasmoids can be formed at (what appears to be) some distance away from an obvious filament channel and what implications, if any, such a dynamic may have in relation to stars and/or stellar types. A wandering star, and/or so called “hypervelocity stars” would seem to present a problem for strict reliance on a hypothesis of a Sun externally powered by filament(s) alone.

The potential for simultaneous internalized stellar self-regulation along these lines is why I don’t treat stars as metal balls vicariously blasted by filaments or kitchen appliances strictly powered from without. Despite the fact that not all is understood about plasmoids for my taste cosmic scale ball lightening-like coherent, condensed, self-regulating, self-sustaining, autonomous plasmoids formed along a filamentary lightning channel and/or seemingly appearing out of nowhere (due to …?) seem to be a better comparison to stars. Obviously, the observational evidence is heavily weighted towards filaments.

The conflicts between Jergens model, Dr. Scotts model, Alfven’s model as pointed out by B. Johnson are interesting butI think that Mr. Johnson is correct. Plasmoids *seem* to be best fit. One thing is certain with plasmoids, there is no need to invent anything. One simply begins to make scaled comparative analysis between the Sun and its environment and vis versa with plasmoids and their naturally occurring earth bound environments.

Lastly, scaling dictates that eventually the Sun (and galaxies-in the halo) will be found to have their very own version of tail ward “magnetic re-connection” dynamics. In other words so called “Coronal Holes” are the Sun’s very own version of ‘Stellar Aurora’ as relates galactic cosmic rays. This is already in process of being discerned:

NASA’s IBEX Provides First View Of the Solar System’s Tail

Cosmic Rays and Stochastic Magnetic Reconnection in the Heliotail

Clearly there are several circuital relationships occurring with stars. The relationship with filaments might demonstrate itself to be one of the dominant factors with regard to some features but obviously this is not the only energetic factor. When looking widely at the relationship between supernovae supposedly inducing “galactic plane blowout”, for example, one is observing the collective contributions of ‘reactionary’-type electrodynamics such as Impedance:
A purely reactive component is distinguished by the sinusoidal voltage across the component being in quadrature with the sinusoidal current through the component. This implies that the component alternately absorbs energy from the circuit and then returns energy to the circuit. A pure reactance will not dissipate any power. – Reactance
Electricity is a bidirectional relationship. Not a one way street. Aspects of stars may be said to be ‘externally powered’ by filaments; but then stars turn right around and can induce filaments themselves via their own “Stellar Jets”. The circuit (a circle) then completes. There are both external and internal factors factors to be considered. Until a better handle is had with regard to plasmoids and their environment I don't think a reconciliation can be had; if it exist at all.
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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by jacmac » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:34 pm

Solar says:
Needless to say the EU's qualitative hypothesis has been fully on board with the above assessment. From paramagnetic filaments to diamagnetic filaments, Z-Pinch, Bennet Pinch, Dense Starless Cores, Theta Pinch etc no one knows exactly how stars are formed, what powers them, nor how they are enlivened for long periods of time, nor what induces their cyclical features. The thermonuclear idea is simply a pasted on concept in light of the most powerful thing known during that time. All observations have been subjectively interpreted to fit that idea imho. Meanwhile, Nature continually presents plasmoids. Several members on this forum over the years, including myself, have favored plasmoids (coherent or not) as the nearest comparison to stars, AGN, bright “knots” etc. yet, very little is known about plasmoids; but needless to say the quest to understand them is underway.
That is a good description of where things stand in the EU community from my perspective on this forum.
Some random thoughts about the plasmoid sun:

Ball Lightening shows us that a highly charged environment can self organize to create a plasmoid. The reported examples are short lived and tend to move around. The sun appears as a plasmoid, spherical and lit up, but it is not short lived and does not move around.(of course the sun moves through space on a steady course, and there is the barycenter movement, but it does not move around randomly in space as ball lightening seems to do.)

Because of the steady course of the sun and as the center of the solar system with all its orbiting bodies, I suggest
the sun has a "solid" core. The plasmoid like photosphere is built around this core, and is electrically connected to it. I also believe the core of the sun has its electric nature because it is the largest body around and is primarily powered externally. As the largest body it is the main attractor of the electric environment.

The electromagnetic cycles of the sun with it's spots, flares and CME's etc. are all indicative of varying external sources IMO.
The steady nature of the photosphere as to size and illumination point to a solid core with steady rotation, size and perhaps ability to hold a charge.

The solar wind seems to be excess power returning to the outer parts of the solar system, sort of a feedback circuit.

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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by seasmith » Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:27 pm

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Nonetheless I’m very curious as to how some Earthbound plasmoids can be formed at (what appears to be) some distance away from an obvious filament channel and what implications, if any, such a dynamic may have in relation to stars and/or stellar types. A wandering star, and/or so called “hypervelocity stars” would seem to present a problem for strict reliance on a hypothesis of a Sun externally powered by filament(s) alone.
A parsec long-shot, but what if it could be something like this, with the "filament channel", (earthbound or astronomical) being lit up, or lighting up the ISM, only when the generative 'pulse' is active. The resultant terminal plasmon (now star) is, as you say "coherent, condensed, self-regulating, self-sustaining, autonomous" ?

The image here is 2D simple, but of course in real space all would be twisted and contorted by ambient electro-magnetic fields, trajectory velocity, adjoining cellular structures and other contingencies.


Image
Electricity is a bidirectional relationship. Not a one way street. Aspects of stars may be said to be ‘externally powered’ by filaments; but then stars turn right around and can induce filaments themselves via their own “Stellar Jets”. The circuit (a circle) then completes. There are both external and internal factors factors to be considered.-Solar

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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by upriver » Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:59 pm

I wanted to see what historical records there were for the suns travel through the Local Bubble and I stumbled across a bunch of stuff.. Sorry if these were posted before.
There doesnt appear to be any periodicity caused by the sun moving through space. So it must be a local mechanism.

It seems that the journey through the Local Fluff has an impact on climate as well as chemical composition.

The Journey of the Sun
Priscilla C. Frisch
https://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/9705231.pdf

INTRODUCTION: PALEOHELIOSPHERE VERSUS PALEOLISM
https://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0601356.pdf

Case Study: Constructing the Solar Journey
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~soljourn/pub/vis01soljrn.pdf

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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by The Great Dog » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:36 pm

James Ryder, commenting on IBEX data at a Thunderbolts conference said that the Solar System, contrary to expectations, was a sphere and not a teardrop. The putative physical effects of "bow shocks" against a compressive medium, such as a boat wake through the cosmos, can be discounted. I didn't like that he also hinted at "secret data" that he thought added credence to Electric Universe theories, but he couldn't talk about it.

The image of Betelgeuse confirms that idea -- no teardrop in sight.

SNR G166.0+4.3 anomalous energy spike appears to agree with Alfvén's concept of an exploding double layer:
The voltage difference AV over a double layer is usually of the order 5-10 times the equivalent of the temperature energy kTe/e (Torvén and Andersson, 1979). However, if there are two independent plasmas produced by different sources, the double layer which is set up at the border between them may be 100 or 1000 kTe/e or even larger (Sato et al., 1981; Torvén, 1982).
A simple mechanism of explosion is the following: the double layer can be considered as a diode for electrons combined with a reverse diode for ions, limited by a slab of plasma on the cathode side and another slab on the anode side. Electrons starting from the cathode get accelerated in the diode and im- pinge upon the anode slab with a considerable momentum which they transfer to the plasma. Similarly, accelerated ions transfer momentum to the cathode slab. When more energy is supplied from the outer circuit the result is that the anode and cathode plasma columns are pushed away from each other. When the distance betweeen the electrons in the diodes becomes larger the drop in voltage increases. This run-away phenomenon leads to an explosion.
DOUBLE LAYERS AND CIRCUITS IN ASTROPHYSICS
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Opening lecture at the "Double Layers in Astrophysics Symposium", Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Alabama, March 17-19, 1986
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Re: Self-Regulating “Plasmoids”

Unread post by celeste » Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:01 pm

Solar wrote:
Sticking with the plasmoid motif expressed above now have a look at this newer “Slingshot” approach:


Slingshot mechanism in Orion: Kinematic evidence for ejection of protostars by filaments: A. Stutz, A. Gould (+17mb paper)

Despite the static images cosmic filaments are known to meander, oscillate, undulate, kink, knot and move about. This slingshot theory posits that some “older” stars have been “kicked out” of the main filament.
Solar, Could they be interpreting the data in the wrong way? In their figure 10, when they talk about distance from the filament, they mean distance off to one side or the other. So if they are seeing radial velocity of an object off to the side of a filament, that could be motion AROUND the filament. Not necessarily motion away from the filament?

Looking again at this picture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Int ... omplex.gif
Imagine you are an observer stationed in the lower right corner of this image. You would see a different radial velocity for the LIC , than for the sun. It could be that the cloud is "undulating" to the upper left, and will leave the sun behind. OR... the sun may not actually continue on a straight path, but spiral along the "cloud surface"

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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by upriver » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:24 pm

`Here is a diagram that I drew after reading for a couple of weeks. Drawing 1
https://app.box.com/s/cox1spi21vbl5oi5003fzzi4qxl5juce

At this point the only real question that I have is "Is there a filament attached to the nose of the heliosphere?"
I dont think that there is exactly. I think its more that the configuration of the heliosphere focuses the dust grains and winds towards the nose of the heliosphere.

And due to the tilt of the solar system in relation to the galactic plane, the neutralsw come through the heliosphere between the current sheet and the solar pole. I believe it looks like this. drawing 2
https://app.box.com/s/vvdmk9deuui81t1vq80tl9043ow46gvs

This shape of the incoming neutrals etc also match with what I found in my analysis of comet orbits. Certain orbits trace out this structure above and below the current sheet. Drawing 2

So at this point I would say that the sun is powered by its motion through the local filament similar to a Langmuir probe.. There are other filamental features that exist on and in the heliosphere but I believe that all of them are outputs.

I believe that all of the periodicity in the heliosphere system is due to components of the heliosphere interacting. What travel through our the local tunnel does is change the input voltage and current. I dont believe that there is any periodicity associated with the suns linear travel.

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Re: Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0

Unread post by celeste » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:11 am

upriver wrote: I dont believe that there is any periodicity associated with the suns linear travel.
However, the sun does not travel in a straight line. It spirals, on more than one scale, and there are definite effects from those periodicities.

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